Test-E/Dbol 12 week cycle with progress pics.

Well shit...no mail. Missed my pin today, so I guess I just have to hold out and hope the package comes tomorrow. I did have a good leg workout, did squats only, but after a long warmup did 5 sets of 10 at 315. Weighed in at 227. Tomorrow is an off day, so I'll do some cardio in the morning. I let my diet slip over the last week or so, and finally kicked my ass back in gear today and got it back on track. Tomorrow I'll log again, since apparently when I'm not actively tracking, I let myself go a little bit. Lesson learned.

When do you take your L-Dex, and with or without food?
Thanks

I'm not taking arimidex anymore. I'm not taking any anti-E for that matter. I'm getting no sides, so it was suggested that I not take anything until I start showing sides. Works so far! I was taking arimidex every day, .25mg for the first couple weeks of the cycle, and I think my E was too low because I was dead tired all the time. I took it first thing in the morning and usually ate breakfast soon after, but it never bothered my stomach or anything if I skipped breakfast for any reason.

Chest tri day, GREAT workout again. Got some new pics too. I did 20 min of cardio this AM and thought I was going to die haha....clearly need to start doing it more often, going to probably do every other day 30 min. Weighed in at 227 again. Haven't really noticed any difference without the Dbol, except maybe a little bit less vascularity. It almost feels like i'm recovering quicker without it between sets, but I think that may just be a result of getting stronger...not sure. Still no sides, but I'm pretty much hosed right now because I'm 2 days late on my thursday pin and I still have no mail....AND it started snowing today which means the mail will likely be delayed a couple of days. I've got one other option right now, but that's still at least 2 days away when the snow stops.... I'm afraid I'm going to have to start my PCT soon at the rate things are going right now....

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Hey man just checking in! Still no enanthate? How long ago did you take your last pin?

I took my last pin on Monday, the 9th. I heard rumor today that the mail should still be coming today, even with the snow, so here's to hoping.... Mail usually comes a couple hours from now.

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I took my last pin on Monday, the 9th. I heard rumor today that the mail should still be coming today, even with the snow, so here's to hoping.... Mail usually comes a couple hours from now.

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So it's only been 6 days.. You should be ok but hope it comes through for ya today! Make sure to have all your gear on hand next time so that you don't have to go through this again.

I know man....I was worried about the place I ordered from, so I only ordered half to make sure I didn't get burned. Arrived quick and on time, so I waited to start until I had allowed enough time for my followon to get here.... stupid me. I wish I'd sacked up and started my cycle about a month or so earlier, then I wouldn't have had to rush into like this to finish before I head home. Lesson learned for sure. I found a guy today that has some enan, so I offered him $50 for 1ml just to tide me over until my shipment comes.... desperate times, desperate measures, I guess haha.

Like I said though, lesson learned. I DID make sure I had all of my PCT and anti-E on hand before I started...just didn't factor the change in weather into my shipping. What can you do now though, right?

Off to the gym! 30 min cardio today then back/bi.

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So it's only been 6 days.. You should be ok but hope it comes through for ya today! Make sure to have all your gear on hand next time so that you don't have to go through this again.

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By the way, bro, new pic looks good. I'm throwing in cardio EOD now to try and cut some of the fat.... not trying to get ripped like you, just trying to shave off some of the substantial spare tire. Luckily I haven't picked up too much fat so far during cycle, but my face is rounding out some, and in my pics yesterday I could tell I've added on to the love handles a little.

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By the way, bro, new pic looks good. I'm throwing in cardio EOD now to try and cut some of the fat.... not trying to get ripped like you, just trying to shave off some of the substantial spare tire. Luckily I haven't picked up too much fat so far during cycle, but my face is rounding out some, and in my pics yesterday I could tell I've added on to the love handles a little.

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Thanks bro! That may not neccesarily be fat because dbol and test e can cause water retention. Your E level may be starting to raise from the test enanthate or how long ago did you finish the dbol? Just a thought but I definitely think cardio should be done anyway. Also in the above post you did your cardio before weights. Try doing the cardio after weights so it doesn't take from your weights training. You want your glycogen stores to be full when you hit the weights. Then after weights they would be near empty so they cardio you do will tap into your fat stores.

Pinned right glute just now! At least that'll tide me over until I get the rest. I normally do cardio in the early morning on an empty stomach, nowhere close to weight time, only reason I did it that way this time around was because my day's schedule had been screwed up for other reasons. I'll switch it up if it happens again though and do the cardio after the lift.

Isn't there a danger of reduced muscle growth when you do your cardio post-weights? I've always been of the school of thought that the first thing you need to do when you get back from the gym is the PWO shake with whey protein and high carbs specifically to replenish the glycogen stores for muscle growth. Is 30 min of cardio insufficient to cause any negative impact?

Its been about a week since I took my last dbol. The pics were only about 4 days after the last pill. For water retention, should I start taking the arimidex again? Maybe .25 EOD instead of ED like I was in the beginning? I haven't experienced any sore nips or puffiness around them, so I haven't taken any anti-E since about the 2nd week of the cycle.

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Pinned right glute just now! At least that'll tide me over until I get the rest. I normally do cardio in the early morning on an empty stomach, nowhere close to weight time, only reason I did it that way this time around was because my day's schedule had been screwed up for other reasons. I'll switch it up if it happens again though and do the cardio after the lift.

Isn't there a danger of reduced muscle growth when you do your cardio post-weights? I've always been of the school of thought that the first thing you need to do when you get back from the gym is the PWO shake with whey protein and high carbs specifically to replenish the glycogen stores for muscle growth. Is 30 min of cardio insufficient to cause any negative impact?

Its been about a week since I took my last dbol. The pics were only about 4 days after the last pill. For water retention, should I start taking the arimidex again? Maybe .25 EOD instead of ED like I was in the beginning? I haven't experienced any sore nips or puffiness around them, so I haven't taken any anti-E since about the 2nd week of the cycle.

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Sorry but I didn't realize you usually do it in the morning but 30mins pwo won't hinder any gains as long as at the end of the day you're in caloric surplus. The same could be said about going catabolic doing cardio first thing on an empty stomach but again it's all about caloric surplus. Cardio is extremely good for your heart and should be done anyway for well being IMO.

Give it a few more days for the dbol to clear your system and see what you think. For me moon face is a sign of high E or not eating clean enough.

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For me moon face is a sign of high E or not eating clean enough.

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I think the diet may have factored into the sudden change. I went for about a week still eating about the same number of calories, but not really worrying about where they came from. Mission requirements made it tough to eat even remotely clean. Now I'm back on track with clean calories, AND cardio, so I'm hoping to see a change in the next round of pics.

Haven't had a chance to get online in a couple of weeks. Finally solved my issue with getting Test--got some pharmceutical-grade Testoviron Depot to last me through the rest of the cycle. Diet was way off for about a week while I was out at another base and simply couldn't get enough calories in me, weight is down to about 222-223 right now, and strength suffered a little bit during the time I was there. Finally back on my "normal" schedule, so hopefully I can pick it up again where I left off. I'll hit back/bi tonight, had a killer chest/tri yesterday. Still no sign of any sides.

Keep up the hard work.

I hate a packed gym. I would search for a diff one if that happens often

Not asking for source but jw, is it harder to find shit in afghan? Haha i was curious

Not asking for source but jw, is it harder to find shit in afghan? Haha i was curious

Just wanted to let you know thanks to your progress shots, my wife thinks I look at burly nude men on the computer.

Handlin'!.. nice job big man, flex it out in the next progress pics..

I was using an online source until about a week ago when I found my local afghan source. Turns out its SUPER easy to get this stuff here, as any pharmacy carries it. And its cheap, and legit. Wish I'd known how easy this was to get when I first got here, I'd probably be almost finished with my 2nd cycle right now! Least I know for next time, because I'm very likely to end up back over here at some point in the next couple years....


Anyway, here's some new pics, had a good chest/tri workout today. Diet has been pretty good, ate really clean today, but didn't log it. I've been lagging pretty badly with the actual logs again, but my diet has been very good. It's pretty monotonous what and when I eat these days, as long as I'm at my normal base. Luckily we've got a pretty good chow hall.




Internet screwed up yesterday and I couldn't post....so I'll try again. I did legs today, squatted 455, which is a personal best. I've got a little less than a month to make my final push!

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Just wanted to let you know thanks to your progress shots, my wife thinks I look at burly nude men on the computer.

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Hahahahaha sorry dude, I've often wondered just what people would think if somebody ever saw me looking through the progress pics!

Got ahold of some HCG, just did 1000iu, I'll do 1000 EOD for 5 pins (10 days) and that'll put me about 1 week before my final injection.

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Got ahold of some HCG, just did 1000iu, I'll do 1000 EOD for 5 pins (10 days) and that'll put me about 1 week before my final injection.

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I assume you've got 5000iu. You should pin 1000iu once per week up until pct.

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I assume you've got 5000iu. You should pin 1000iu once per week up until pct.

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Correct. My source misunderstood what I was asking for and gave me (5) 5000iu sets... I was reading a couple of other threads about HCG pre-PCT, seemed there was a pretty wide variance on dosage recommendation/frequency between the 3 threads I was reading. You reckon EOD is too often for 1000iu?

Final push, only a couple weeks left til PCT...

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Correct. My source misunderstood what I was asking for and gave me (5) 5000iu sets... I was reading a couple of other threads about HCG pre-PCT, seemed there was a pretty wide variance on dosage recommendation/frequency between the 3 threads I was reading. You reckon EOD is too often for 1000iu?

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Have a read up on this sticky. Point 11 explains the best way to use it at the end of a cycle. It worked for me :)

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...Q#.Tzr4nYlhjTo

That was one of the posts I read through start to finish. There were a couple more stickies on some of the other forums that I read as well.

Problem--maybe-- my refridgerator apparently gets colder than I thought... my HCG froze last night. Is it still going to be useable after it thaws out?!?

EDIT- Did some googling, looks like its perfectly fine to freeze/thaw HCG. Whew!

I got back to the states, had a great PCT, then fell off when I PCS'd to another base. I'm trying to get back on track where I was, but I've got no clue where to order from now...


Who can I PM about a good onine source? My local pharm in Afghanistan ain't gonna cut it anymore, and the online pharm I ordered from successfully once before shows out of stock on everything right now...and I got burned the second time I ordered... anybody able to suggest another online pharm?

Eiff Hahahaha, I was thinking something like this would happen!

OP good job on progress. The first pose you can really tell a difference. Your arms looks more rounded, and not so straight. Your arms also look like they're a couple of inches bigger. Lats are lookin good too.

I found another source, got some HGH and ran that for a few weeks, then the new source dropped off on the 3rd order. I'm still waiting on my next order, and as soon as it arrives I'll be starting HGH again at 2iu ED and test E again. I was really happy with how my last test only cycle went, so I'm going to step that up from 500/wk to 250 every 2.5 days. Makes it out to 700mg/wk. I didn't really see much result from the dbol last time except maybe some placebo effect, so I'm just going to forego that and save my liver a bit.

I'll start a new log once I pin the HGH and the first of the test.

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I found another source, got some HGH and ran that for a few weeks, then the new source dropped off on the 3rd order. I'm still waiting on my next order, and as soon as it arrives I'll be starting HGH again at 2iu ED and test E again. I was really happy with how my last test only cycle went, so I'm going to step that up from 500/wk to 250 every 2.5 days. Makes it out to 700mg/wk. I didn't really see much result from the dbol last time except maybe some placebo effect, so I'm just going to forego that and save my liver a bit.

I'll start a new log once I pin the HGH and the first of the test.

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More is not better!

No need to raise the dosages if you had good results.

What will be 4th cycle?? 1500mg??

Grow to your dosages.

nice progress:hello:

Great Progress! Keep it up!!

I hate to break this to you < but you are injecting cooking oil probably lol i see absolutely no progress in your before and after pics

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I hate to break this to you < but you are injecting cooking oil probably lol i see absolutely no progress in your before and after pics

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I don't see much progress too. Anyone who will work hard naturally will get similar results.

Just reading the initial diet sheets and was thinking it was almost the worst diet i'd seen for a long time.

1300 calories every day with Weight Gainer alone, the protein sources were week apart from eggs for breakfast etc.