My starting point upon joining the forum

[chrisworrell]

Alright been doing alot over the past 6 months but just joined this forum as I have just started my first cycle, with Test E (using it to cut)

Here are the two links first one is to my cycle and the second focuses on my diet.

My first cycle - what do you guys think
Diet on Test E Cut

and for the pics

[FireGuy]

No offense, but after seeing these pictures I would have never thought you have even seen the inside of a gym before. I dont say that to flame you but you obviously have not mastered even the basics of diet or exercise. I dont know why you think an AAS cycle is the answer.

[dangerous dan]

No offense, but after seeing these pictures I would have never thought you have even seen the inside of a gym before. I dont say that to flame you but you obviously have not mastered even the basics of diet or exercise. I dont know why you think an AAS cycle is the answer.

Agree with fire.........Your only 175? you need to put more time and effort in naturally first

[ty357]

your kidding me right?

[chrisworrell]

alright seriously, im not using these to bulk up, im using a very small dose just to counteract muscle loss in a cut. Im not a body builder by any means and dont plan to be.

I know the risks involved, ive done my research, i do have a great grasp on both diet and exercise and quite honestly better than quite a few ive seen that have jumped onto a cycle. I may not be the best or the most informed, but give me a break nothing im doing is even remotely crazy.

Yea i know i may not be in the perfect place to do what i want to do, but its something that i looked into and decided that i wanted to try. Im doing it as safely and correctly as i can and thats why im here.

My diet will be immaculate with this, I will do it correctly. So in a way I disagree that its completely ridiculous for me to try this. Ive come a very long way from where I started and did not jump into this decision lightly.

[*El Diablo*]

^^ Soo what are ur goals then mate?

[chrisworrell]

My goal is to dip just under 10% bf while retaining as much lean mass that i can.

i mean seriously how terrible could a 250/week cycle of test e with a clen /t3 cycle on the back end once the e starts working.

i have a proper PCT setup, I am right next to having my diet perfect.

yes i know with just the diet and exercise I could achieve the same goals just will take longer, if there is one thing I have learned its how important those two are.

Whats wrong with trying to help it out a little bit

[*El Diablo*]

My goal is to dip just under 10% bf while retaining as much lean mass that i can.

Then u dont need Test, ull definitly need to tweak ur diet and count the calories, And get a nice training routine going.

[*El Diablo*]

4 get about the Test, u havent had results of it thus far, so u arent gaining anything from it, drop the test, and if u feel u NEED to take the clen , the do so, it has great Anti catabolic feature's that will help u not burning muscle.

[tboney]

4 get about the Test, u havent had results of it thus far, so u arent gaining anything from it, drop the test, and if u feel u NEED to take the clen, the do so, it has great Anti catabolic feature's that will help u not burning muscle.

This is good advice! Take it!

[chrisworrell]

ive only been on it 1 week aint no way i was gonna see any results yet

my routine is solid, my diet is next to solid just needed some small tweaks here and there.

I am trying to figure out just where I need the calories to sit in this.

Honestly, i do listen to your guys advice but I am going to see the test through, I only have one bottle and im already 3 shots in. Ive got the proper pct setup and know how to take it properly. I am not worried about any negative side effects, and at the end of this I will show you all the results.

Through all my research and everything I have seen i personally dont think it is that crazy of an idea that I am trying, not advised typically? sure stupid? i dont believe so.

Sure as hell not as bad as some of the people that I have seen come through here (yes i know its stupid to compare it like that, but i do think I have done my fair amount of research and have a decent understanding of alot of the aspects of this)

[chrisworrell]

Thank you for all the advice though

I do think after its all over ill have some impressive progress pictures to show you guys and that I will be completely fine afterwards.

Ive read in many many places that test is commonly used in cutting cycles

[*El Diablo*]

Sure, we can just give advice but ull must take what u want and make it work for u, alls well, but ill be honest with u, it looks asif u havent set a foot a gym really ever, ur not fat but u just dont have solid base to work off, but anyway... Keep us posted.

[chrisworrell]

i can promise you I have been in the gym consistently for quite some time now. For the longest time though I had not really had any good diet going and was a good bit overweight so while I was going alot I was not really seeing any change. For the past year atleast I have been in the gym and eating better, but it wasnt until about 6 months ago that I jumped in headfirst and went strict on my diet (yes i know i should stay on it longer and avoid this i understand that, i dont deny that im not the best candidate for this, but at the same time i do believe if it is done correctly and safely it shouldnt matter if you are super cut or really going at it for huge gains to notice the benefits that can be acquired). Been cutting severely for that long which might explain why it doesnt really look like im in the gym much. I really did notice quite a loss in lean muscle mass which is why i wanted to finish off with a little help to prevent that. But I am anything but new to going to the gym.

I am impatient I know, big fault in myself.

[*El Diablo*]

^^...Sure, then keep us posted.
Good luck

El-D

[chrisworrell]

Just one question then,

Is what I have planned out dangerous? or is it just not an advised thing to do and just unnecessary?

Because if in your opinion it is physically dangerous for me to try with what I have planned out then I will definitely consider stopping the test. But if all I am looking at is the possibility of wasting my money and not really seeing any benefit out of it, I dont mind finding out.

250/week split up test e
nolva/clo for PCT

oh and believe me or not on the gym I really have no reason to come here and lie about my time in the gym or my diet, ive been as honest as I can because I do know this is not simple stuff that I am dealing with

[got fina?]

First off let me get something out of the way here.

Steroids are not for someone that wants to get into shape fast, and thinks steroids will do that for him. I see soo many people that think steroids is this magical potion that will turn a fat ass into a ripped magazine shaped person.

I have seen in my lifetime so many people that barely worked out before, dont know how to DIET, and think steroids will fix all that in no time at all. In reality what happens is that they see close to nothing from there cycle, and come running back to me questioning if the steroids where real or not.

Steroids in my opinion is for someone who has been working there ass off in the gym, has learned to deit close to perfect, and has reached there genetical limit.

Thats when steroids come in and work magic!!!!

U my friend should start with learning about your diet. I gaurantee you i could make u see better results from dieting correctly than any amount of juice you could take on your own.

My opinion is spend the next few weeks in the diet section, and put together a diet based on what u have read. Put it up on the diet forum section and let us fix it for u.

Good luck!!!!

[ty357]

I gota say the guys in the diet section knows their stuff. Im living proof. I havent went nowhere aas yet.

[chrisworrell]

Yes I understand the importance of diet I have been studying it to the best of my ability for months (im talking hours a day over and over again). I have sat on a structured 40/40/20 diet for months and have succesfully lost close to 40 pounds.

I know how to diet properly naturally and lose weight, I have proven that to myself with actual results. I have shown myself that I can stick to the diet with no cheat days, with doing everything properly. Im not worried about my understanding of the process. I am also not worried about my motivation and my understanding of how to lift weights.

The reason I have this test is because a friend made an order for some winny and clen /t3 for himself, I did a little research and knew that with taking T3 that it can be very catabolic. I decided after looking into it that using a small dose of test can really help prevent alot of muscle loss and I have been noticing a good bit because of the amount of weight I had been losing.

Yes I am trying to do drop weight faster than what is typically able to be achieved naturally, I have certain reasons that I feel it necessary to do and I am sticking to that because I know I have done my research and I know I can do it relatively safely, I know I can incorporate it with a proper diet and time spent at the gym.

I do want to thank everyone for their input and advice. I am going to see this through and hopefully I can get a response in the diet section about an appropriate amount of calories to consume while on the cycle i chose to cut. Hopefully in 15 weeks I can show you guys what I was able to achieve. The diet is ready just the amount is still in question.

I know alot of you think it is unnecessary for me to do this, but I havent heard anyone say that what I have chosen to do is dangerous for me. low dose, good PCT, good diet, good gym time. While obviously I dont have the experience many of you have, I do think I will be able to get some really good progress out of this.

[MuscleScience]

Good job on your weight loss, I think you could have cut up more without the Test. But what is done is done. Just make sure that you follow your diet and training regime religiously not only while on but also afterwards. It is a lifestyle to be healthy and fit regardless if your a bodybuilder or not.

Best of luck to you,

MS.

[Big]

Post your credentials to make such a statement . I don't think you know what the hell you are talking about! Top!

wow, what? what is it out of his post that you are questioning?

[chrisworrell]

wow, what? what is it out of his post that you are questioning?

yea im a little confused too, i thought it was a great post, and I do agree with him I could do this without the test, but I have it so why not see if it can help

[Big]

yea im a little confused too, i thought it was a great post, and I do agree with him I could do this without the test, but I have it so why not see if it can help

I realized after seeing his other posts that's just a troll.

[chrisworrell]

troll troll troll your boat, gently down the thread

[ranging1]

lol hey mate

agree with everyone you dont need steroids seriously

if youve been getting results without steroids why use them?

i mean seriously if your still able to loose weight and gain strength without them dont go ruin that by taking steroids

steroids hould be a last resort when your already well physiquely developed

and anser to ur question, yes taking steroids is a health risk to you, specially when your outa shape, steroids work better on well developed muscles, they dont work well on less developed ones

also your to young for steroids, ur risking damaging your hormone system just becuase u cant be patient and wait for fat loss?

steroids arent miracle workers for fat loss, their great for muscle building and preserving muscle when your dieting

but by looks of your pics u dont need them for either

leave the steroids alone and come back to them later in life

[Kibble]

When people give the same advice over and over again, it usually means something

[DSM4Life]

When people give the same advice over and over again, it usually means something

[Okinawa_Power]

When people give the same advice over and over again, it usually means something

[Okinawa_Power]

Means something...something.....something......something .......

[Kibble]

When people give the same advice over and over again, it usually means something

[Epic1]

You should run 1g a test each week. With no pct. I hear that works well too. this is the picture section obviously you didnt come here for advice so where are the damn pics?

[Rockin Z28]

First off let me get something out of the way here.

Steroids are not for someone that wants to get into shape fast, and thinks steroids will do that for him. I see soo many people that think steroids is this magical potion that will turn a fat ass into a ripped magazine shaped person.

I have seen in my lifetime so many people that barely worked out before, dont know how to DIET, and think steroids will fix all that in no time at all. In reality what happens is that they see close to nothing from there cycle, and come running back to me questioning if the steroids where real or not.

Steroids in my opinion is for someone who has been working there ass off in the gym, has learned to deit close to perfect, and has reached there genetical limit.

Thats when steroids come in and work magic!!!!

U my friend should start with learning about your diet. I gaurantee you i could make u see better results from dieting correctly than any amount of juice you could take on your own.

My opinion is spend the next few weeks in the diet section, and put together a diet based on what u have read. Put it up on the diet forum section and let us fix it for u.

Good luck!!!!

didnt you go from not working out for years and letting yourself get out of shape to jumping on a tren /test cycle? hmmmm not saying yo u arent fit now but dont throw stones if you live in a glass house

[DSM4Life]

When people give the same advice over and over again, it usually means something

[Kibble]

When people give the same advice over and over again, it usually means something