Copenhagen closes with a weak deal that poor threaten to reject

[Flagg]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...eal?CMP=AFCYAH

I don't know how many of you have been following this, but this whole charade has basically been a lot of World (rich) leaders talking about the grave dangers of climate change but not really doing more than that.

Oh and it seems to ended in "Hey, please dont carry on developing shitty 3rd world country, we'll give you some money to carry on acting like animals".

Im starting to think that World Leaders actually don't care about climate, though they profess to, and this has everything to do with keeping poor countries, poor and subservient to richer nations.

America vs China was mentioned. And it's an argument without end between the two. Yeah China have a small per capita footprint than the yanks, but remember, 700 million chinese people live on less than 2 dollars a day. China are building a coal station once a week because they want to bring a better quality of life to everyone, which of course isn't bad! But then imagine Chinas footprint if 1.3 billion people all have and enjoy the same luxuries afforded to your average American.

I don't know what to suggest. It's not just CO2 that's an issue, Industry itself causes an all manner of environmental hazards, including polluting water and using excessive water for agriculture. Water, im starting to fear, is going to be our biggest problem in a few years time.

Whatever your stance on if you think climate is a problem or not, what is a problem is consumption of resources which I think is what is on the minds of rich world leaders. They've finally woken up to the fact that everything is finite but refuse to give up their luxuries , alternatively throwing a bone to the developing nations in a bid to deny them the same greedy life style that they know we have and like to have.

Just my two cents.

[BJJ]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...eal?CMP=AFCYAH

I don't know how many of you have been following this, but this whole charade has basically been a lot of World (rich) leaders talking about the grave dangers of climate change but not really doing more than that.

Oh and it seems to ended in "Hey, please dont carry on developing shitty 3rd world country, we'll give you some money to carry on acting like animals".

Im starting to think that World Leaders actually don't care about climate, though they profess to, and this has everything to do with keeping poor countries, poor and subservient to richer nations.

America vs China was mentioned. And it's an argument without end between the two. Yeah China have a small per capita footprint than the yanks, but remember, 700 million chinese people live on less than 2 dollars a day. China are building a coal station once a week because they want to bring a better quality of life to everyone, which of course isn't bad! But then imagine Chinas footprint if 1.3 billion people all have and enjoy the same luxuries afforded to your average American.

I don't know what to suggest. It's not just CO2 that's an issue, Industry itself causes an all manner of environmental hazards, including polluting water and using excessive water for agriculture. Water, im starting to fear, is going to be our biggest problem in a few years time.

Whatever your stance on if you think climate is a problem or not, what is a problem is consumption of resources which I think is what is on the minds of rich world leaders. They've finally woken up to the fact that everything is finite but refuse to give up their luxuries , alternatively throwing a bone to the developing nations in a bid to deny them the same greedy life style that they know we have and like to have.

Just my two cents.

Do not start to think that, just believe it!

[MuscleScience]

I remember when we were all going to die from acid rain, then we were going to run out of fresh water. Now we are all going to die from Global Warming. I guess someone forgot to teach some of these PhD's in climate research about the carbon cycle.

[stevey_6t9]

where going to die from this and that and maybe this and bullshitttt

[TITANIUM]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...eal?CMP=AFCYAH

I don't know how many of you have been following this, but this whole charade has basically been a lot of World (rich) leaders talking about the grave dangers of climate change but not really doing more than that.

Oh and it seems to ended in "Hey, please dont carry on developing shitty 3rd world country, we'll give you some money to carry on acting like animals".

Im starting to think that World Leaders actually don't care about climate, though they profess to, and this has everything to do with keeping poor countries, poor and subservient to richer nations.

America vs China was mentioned. And it's an argument without end between the two. Yeah China have a small per capita footprint than the yanks, but remember, 700 million chinese people live on less than 2 dollars a day. China are building a coal station once a week because they want to bring a better quality of life to everyone, which of course isn't bad! But then imagine Chinas footprint if 1.3 billion people all have and enjoy the same luxuries afforded to your average American.

I don't know what to suggest. It's not just CO2 that's an issue, Industry itself causes an all manner of environmental hazards, including polluting water and using excessive water for agriculture. Water, im starting to fear, is going to be our biggest problem in a few years time.

Whatever your stance on if you think climate is a problem or not, what is a problem is consumption of resources which I think is what is on the minds of rich world leaders. They've finally woken up to the fact that everything is finite but refuse to give up their luxuries , alternatively throwing a bone to the developing nations in a bid to deny them the same greedy life style that they know we have and like to have.

Just my two cents.

It's not a theoretical question , or even debated.(IMHO)

It is happening, as we speak.

The elitists just care about lining there own pockets, whilst the rest of the population is left out in the equation.

It's all political agenda, as it is a "slight of hand" band aid put on the real issue.

Distracting the masses from the actual problem.

Best

T

[Flagg]

It's not a theoretical question , or even debated.(IMHO)

It is happening, as we speak.

The elitists just care about lining there own pockets, whilst the rest of the population is left out in the equation.

It's all political agenda, as it is a "slight of hand" band aid put on the real issue.

Distracting the masses from the actual problem.

Best

T

Of course it is. Im in the middle of a Environmental Science degree and for anyone to say that there is no such thing as global warming bury their heads in the sand. Global Warming is a phenomena that has been happening in cycles about once every 100,000 years for the last million years. This is due mostly to things like the formation of the himalayas and the formation of the south pole. However, this has always been a natural event. Are we responsible for the planet warming up now? Well, the planet was always going to warm up, whether we have sped up the process is debateable but I just hate how Science is only relied on when it pushes a political agenda.

Copenhagen has more or less been a shambles, basically exposing politicians, the rich ones, for what they are, yet people will still not see this as they are distracted about the issue on the impact global warming could or might not have!

Renewable energy and the pursuit of technology in such things is a good thing because oil will not be around forever. Fact.

If people dont think things like coal stations are a bad thing, I suggest they try living in Linfen for about a month.

[TITANIUM]

[Mooseman33]

global warming was proved to be bullshit, so now its called "climate change"

its all a crock of shit.

song and dance, thats all it is....

[Flagg]

global warming was proved to be bullshit, so now its called "climate change"

its all a crock of shit.

song and dance, thats all it is....

Global Warming was proved bullshit?! By whom??

You do know there have been 10 ice ages in the last 1 million years. And yes, global warming is what seperates each one.

[BJJ]

Global Warming was proved bullshit?! By whom??

You do know there have been 10 ice ages in the last 1 million years. And yes, global warming is what seperates each one.

I think he wanted to mean, no matter what we do, sooner or later Earth changes will take place anyway.

[Flagg]

I think he wanted to mean, no matter what we do, sooner or later Earth changes will take place anyway.

I hope so, cause at some point, the planet really will heat up, sometime between now and the next thousand years or so and about 80-90,000 years of cold will follow. It's all to do with Malkovich cycles. But each time, the cold stages have been gradual and the warming stages are relatively fast.

[Mooseman33]

man made global warming is bullshit is what i meant.
which is why its now called climate change. years ago it was the polar bears are going to die cause the ice is melting....bullshit.
once them emails hit the proof was in, the man made part was bullshit..meaning the average person.

i do believe china should not be looked at as a developing country, which gets them out of being responsible for all the pollution they cause.,
but we cannot stop the climate changing, never will be able to...its a fools dream, just another reason for more government.

[Flagg]

man made global warming is bullshit is what i meant.
which is why its now called climate change. years ago it was the polar bears are going to die cause the ice is melting....bullshit.
once them emails hit the proof was in, the man made part was bullshit..meaning the average person.

i do believe china should not be looked at as a developing country, which gets them out of being responsible for all the pollution they cause.,
but we cannot stop the climate changing, never will be able to...its a fools dream, just another reason for more government.

Yeah I agree on this, we cannot and should not try to change a natural event. Im not worried so much about CO2 capturing, I am concerned about possible sea level rise. 600 million people live in parts of the world that are sensitive to sea level rise.

The way I see it, we only have one planet. It's not an experiment where we can say "oh, we were wrong/right, aw well" and shrug our shoulders. What if the sea does rise?

I would be more content in knowing more was being looked into sea wall defence systems personally.

[Mooseman33]

al gore belongs in jail for the bullshit he has caused.