AAS is confusing

[Bigbdd2190]

Getting ready to start my first real cycle. Lifting has been a huge part of my life for a very long time but I keep hitting walls and then changing my routine and not really getting much farther. My bench has been stagnant at 425 for months and I am getting frustrated. I have done a prohormone cycle and got decent results but I didn't understand PCT; to be honest I got duped by an employee at my local supplement shop. I am about to run test e only 700mgs a week split mon/thurs for 12 weeks. Im trying to figure out a simple yet effective PCT but everyone seems to have a different opinion. I couple of older experienced guys I kno told me to just run clomid for 4 weeks; which is what I am leaning towards. Can anyone shed some light?

Stats

Age : 23
Height : 6' 3"
Weight : 275lbs
Bodyfat : 14-15%
Years training : 10

[Dark_Ansem]

hrmmm.
I am positive the majority of what people will say is "you're too young".
however, what is done is done.

have you got some nolvadex as well?

[Java Man]

23 is young in the sense that most don't have the training history at that age to be where they need to be physically and mentally to benefit from AAS cycling. With 10yrs training history and your stats I'd make an exception.

Youre already 6'3'' tall. If you haven't run AAS before you might want to make sure your 'growth plates' are closed. It would really suck of your genetics are programmed for you to eventually be 6' 5'' and you halt your growth. Not guaranteed to happen but the chance is there...

Most health shop employees don't know sh!t about vitamins. Forget hormones. Might as well ask the neighbors kid. Lol no please don't! Point made though

PCT should be Clomid and Nolvadex for 4-6 weeks if your cycle is 12-16 weeks. On long esters (all I do) I don't see results until week 6 or 7 personally so my cycles are usually 4 months. Start PCT 2 weeks after your last test injection. Start with 100mg clomid, 40mg Nolva week 1. Drop to 50/20 weeks 2-4. If you want to drop the clomid and just run 20 or 10mg nolva for another few weeks it can be beneficial. I do it.

One other thing - run hcg while on AAS. Always. Make it a standard part of every cycle. It will keep you from shutting down and PCT much smoother.

[OdinsOtherSon]

Here is my advice...start by reading the stickies in the PCT (POST CYCLE THERAPY) and the ANABOLIC STEROIDS - QUESTIONS & ANSWERS then read http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...look-here.html

After you completed that, re-read them again...two more times.

[thehor]

To young and I doubt you started training at age 13 like you train now.
You are also pretty big, what do you want to become a pro body builder?

[Bigbdd2190]

Ya I took that prohormone when I was 21..the guy at the supplement shop told me it was a natural alternative..I later found out it contained 2 methyl group phs, one of which was superdrol. But in my defense I have worked very hard to be where I am at unlike a lot of the young people I have seen who work out for 6 months and think they are ready for aas.

And yes I can get nolva but someone else told me I don't need both and to "keep it simple." You think I should run both clomid and nolva?

[Java Man]

Ya I took that prohormone when I was 21..the guy at the supplement shop told me it was a natural alternative..I later found out it contained 2 methyl group phs, one of which was superdrol. But in my defense I have worked very hard to be where I am at unlike a lot of the young people I have seen who work out for 6 months and think they are ready for aas.

And yes I can get nolva but someone else told me I don't need both and to "keep it simple." You think I should run both clomid and nolva?

Yes. Not just me. That's the standard modern PCT. Its also what I do and it works.
Clomid alone may do the job, probably will but nolva is easily acquired and inexpensive. It has benefits beyond just as a SERM too.

Clomid - Steroid .com
Nolvadex - Steroid .com
HCG - Steroid .com

Read through the pct and hcg stickys in this forum.

[Bigbdd2190]

Thank you for the replies men. I will read that right now..Java man - I will follow your pct suggestion but do you think I should pin longer than 12 weeks? Thehor - I was always a big guy but when I was in middle school the varsity football coaches pretty much dragged me into the gym and I never really left. I sat with the varsity football team as an eight grader and started varsity as a freshman; i was very dedicated. I had a full ride to a D1 school until I blew my knee out in a motorcycle accident. After a long recovery I got heavily into powerlifting. I base almost everything in my life on the effect it will have on my gains. I appreciate the help guys - B

[Bigbdd2190]

thehor- yes I want to be a pro bodybuilder and I think I can do it

[Java Man]

Thank you for the replies men. I will read that right now..Java man - I will follow your pct suggestion but do you think I should pin longer than 12 weeks? Thehor - I was always a big guy but when I was in middle school the varsity football coaches pretty much dragged me into the gym and I never really left. I sat with the varsity football team as an eight grader and started varsity as a freshman; i was very dedicated. I had a full ride to a D1 school until I blew my knee out in a motorcycle accident. After a long recovery I got heavily into powerlifting. I base almost everything in my life on the effect it will have on my gains. I appreciate the help guys - B

Good! It gets me going again. And no, I am not advising you to run longer than 12 weeks. That's just what I do because 14-16 is optimal for me based on many years of self experimentation... 12 weeks is just a good rule of thumb for anyone in general. As you grow (not physically, mentally aka experience) you will start to see what works best for you. No two subjects react exactly the same to anything.

[thehor]

thehor- yes I want to be a pro bodybuilder and I think I can do it

At your height and with aas it should'nt be a problem as long as you diet right and train properly.
Its funny you say some people workout 6 months in their life and try aas because this is a fact. A buddy of mine tried aas before my cycle started and he had only been working out for 6 months. He didnt take hcg, or armidex during his cycle and he didnt even pct, on top of that he didnt even run the proper dosage weekly for his test cip. I tried to tell him he needed to pct off the cycle and he didnt bother listening to me. Btw he is only 22 years old.

[clarky.]

YES mate use both nolva and clomid for your pct it will give you your best chance of keeping gains and recovering your own natty hormone levels faster and if you could only pick one of them it would be nolva