Over A Year Of Research And I Came Up With This Cycle!

[Bigbear812000]

This will be my second cycle, the first I gained about 15lbs but lost it all because I didn't know what I was doing so this time I put money aside and went all-out Please if you read this and know anything please comment.

Sust:wks 1-10 @500mg
Deca:wks 1-10 @200mg
Androxon:wks 1-4 200mg ed
Proviron:wks 1-10 10mg ed
Nolvadex:wks 1-10 10mg ed
Clomid:wks 11-13 300mg 1st day, 100mg 1st week, then 50mg for another week or two.

criticism and comments well taken.
Thaks for reading.

[bigordie]

i would run the sust a little longer than the deca...

ie

sust 1-12
deca 1-10

[bigordie]

also i would run the nolva at 20mg ED throughout your PCT

[Bigbear812000]

Bump!

[Bigbear812000]

I would like to take that in but you are the guy that did a 16 week deca only cycle. What were you thinking?

[Opey]

also i would run the clomid at 20mg ED throughout your PCT

isn't 20mg ed a little low for clomid?

[Bigbear812000]

considering they are 50 mg tabs and I am taking nolva and proviron. I need to talk to someone that knows someting.

[Opey]

I would like to take that in but you are the guy that did a 16 week deca only cycle. What were you thinking?

it wasnt him that did the 16 week deca cycle, it was starman.

[Bigbear812000]

Sorry Bigordie

[Bigbear812000]

So It looks pretty good. Do you guys even know what everyting is for in my cycle? I have never seen a cycle like this one but I think its a good combo but I also don't have first hand exsperence with alot of this stuff, this is only my second cycle.

[bigordie]

I would like to take that in but you are the guy that did a 16 week deca only cycle. What were you thinking?

i never did a 16 week cycle of deca???????
and im sorry i meant 20mg of nolva ED throughout PCT

[Bigbear812000]

Okay, I did consider that and am still thinking about it.

Thanks

[bigordie]

what are your reasons for not running nolva through PCT

[Bigbear812000]

Not sure, when should I stop? when I stop the clomid?

[bigordie]

thats what i would do...also why did you choose the androxon for a kickstart, i have never used this compound but heard it is not extremely effective. did you want to stay away from 17aas?

[Bigbear812000]

Its not that i want to stay away from 17as. And I have never used androxon either and I have heard mixed stories about the stuff but I though I would give it a try. I can't imagine in not working well at 5 40mg pills a day. I was under the impression that it was better than d bol but harder to find so people used D. What do you know about it?

[bigordie]

http://www.steroid.com/52.php

[bigordie]

i just stick with what has been used the most so there i have good personal feedback based research before i put something into my body. when i was planning my first cycle i chose to jumpstart with dianabol because there is so much info on the compound (also because its dirt cheap lol)

[Jackman]

isnt 200mg a week of deca a bit low? i would do at least 300mg

[bigordie]

isnt 200mg a week of deca a bit low? i would do at least 300mg

i didnt even see that...unless you are running a low dose for some reason deca should be run at 300mg EW

[Bigbear812000]

Ya I read that page before and it seams to me that they are compairing this compound alone to injectable steroids. and I'm just using it as a stack.

"Even if a dose of 200 mg of Andriol/day is taken, the testosterone level in the blood is still too low for a bodybuilder to gain strength and muscle growth. The capsules, therefore, are effective for only a few hours so that 6-7 capsules, that is 240-280 mg (mini-mum), must be taken daily to achieve good results comparable to those of injectable compounds."

But you are right, I sould be sure of what i'm putting into my body. I will do a little more reading. I wish more people knew about it first hand.

[Guardian74]

i would run the sust a little longer than the deca...

ie

sust 1-12
deca 1-10

Just my $0.02 here but, I try to run test at close to 2x the Deca dose. (600- 300) nolv and letro 2 weeks prior to cycle start to get blood levels squared away before the deca. Clomid @ that high dose messed up my vision for awhile so I run it @ 100, 100, 100, 50 the rest of the way. (24 days total) Also run nolv @20 mgs throughout pct. MAKE SURE TO RUN SUST EOD FOR MAX EFFECTIVENESS!

[Bigbear812000]

even with 500mg test and remember it is only my second cycle.

[bigordie]

yeah i did a search on it and there is some info, but not much...unless you are intent on it i would consider switching that compound. JMO

[bigordie]

Just my $0.02 here but, I try to run test at close to 2x the Deca dose. (600- 300) nolv and letro 2 weeks prior to cycle start to get blood levels squared away before the deca. Clomid @ that high dose messed up my vision for awhile so I run it @ 100, 100, 100, 50 the rest of the way. (24 days total) Also run nolv @20 mgs throughout pct. MAKE SURE TO RUN SUST EOD FOR MAX EFFECTIVENESS!

im the same way with clomid...i cant handle 300mg

[Jackman]

also you should take somthing for the deca gyno part either bromo or V B12 or is it B6 i forget somone who knows clear it up

[bigordie]

200mg b6 ED

[RoNNy THe BuLL]

You're starting Clomid too early. 2-3 weeks AFTER you last injection of Sust.

[Bigbear812000]

Okay I will:

1. start the nolva a week or two before my first injection.
2. change the nolva from 10mg to 20 ed.
3. move my clomid back a week.

thanks, Thats the fine tuneing I needed.

[bigordie]

Okay I will:

1. start the nolva a week or two before my first injection.
2. change the nolva from 10mg to 20 ed.
3. move my clomid back a week.

thanks, Thats the fine tuneing I needed.

you should be good running your nolva at 10mg ED during cycle, but bump it up to 20mg ED for PCT...and move your PCT back 2 weeks because of the long esters (the enathate in sust also deca)...good luck bro

[Bigbear812000]

I'll take that advice. thanks

[JerzeyBoy]

This will be my second cycle, the first I gained about 15lbs but lost it all because I didn't know what I was doing so this time I put money aside and went all-out Please if you read this and know anything please comment.

Sust:wks 1-10 @500mg
Deca:wks 1-10 @200mg
Androxon:wks 1-4 200mg ed
Proviron:wks 1-10 10mg ed
Nolvadex:wks 1-10 10mg ed
Clomid:wks 11-13 300mg 1st day, 100mg 1st week, then 50mg for another week or two.

criticism and comments well taken.
Thaks for reading.

Your test and deca shouldn't be ran at the same MG my man. Your deca is too low as well. Run deca at about 300-400mg. Your test (the sust) should be ran at least 100mg more than the deca.

[Bigbear812000]

I was thinking that at one point but this is only my second cycle I thought 200mg would be okay because I was planing on taking 250mg sust and 100mg deca twice a week. Sound okay?

[JerzeyBoy]

I was thinking that at one point but this is only my second cycle I thought 200mg would be okay because I was planing on taking 250mg sust and 100mg deca twice a week. Sound okay?

Bro, I didn't even cycle yet, I'm going to pretty soon, I'm waiting a while..but my cycle is gonna be:

400mg of test and 300mg of deca.

More deca only means more growth. at least go with 300mg.

[Billy_Bathgate]

This will be my second cycle, the first I gained about 15lbs but lost it all because I didn't know what I was doing so this time I put money aside and went all-out Please if you read this and know anything please comment.

Sust:wks 1-10 @500mg
Deca:wks 1-10 @200mg
Androxon:wks 1-4 200mg ed
Proviron:wks 1-10 10mg ed
Nolvadex:wks 1-10 10mg ed
Clomid:wks 11-13 300mg 1st day, 100mg 1st week, then 50mg for another week or two.

criticism and comments well taken.
Thaks for reading.

Looks good. I would run it just as it is. Except, ditch the andriol. Save your money. Put in a low dose of dbol if you like, but I wouldnt bother with anything for your first cycle. Sustanon and the proviron you will feel pretty soon anyways.

you sure proviron is 10mg ed..unless im old on my proviron info, ive only seen in multiples of 25mg

id probally just keep the nolva till a week or two past clomid as well, but thats a personal prefference

[Natural Mac]

Hope your ready to do the Sust strut. That sh!t hurts like a mo-fo! Some people can handle it, but I don't understand why when there is equivalent or better gear available. Good luck.

[Bigbear812000]

I like it in the delt!

[Bigbear812000]

I like it in the delt!

[Bigbear812000]

I like it in the delt! WHO'S WITH ME!