Tongkat ali and Prolactin(gyno related)

[bigjayo]

Hey guys,

I have a quick question, did a cycle of tren/test, light doses, got some mild gyno. Anyway, I ran letro at 2.5mg ED as soon as I saw the gyno and went directly into PCT, still on letro at .5mg ED(as I heard its better to run longer say 2-3 months at a lower dose once gyno has set in). I got some tongkat ali to help with the libido, and I was doing some reading on it, apparently it raises the testoterone so much that it can fully supress prolactin levels? I have read multiple studies that state this, and I attribute my gyno to the tren as I've run test to 800mg and as soon as I touched the tren, week 3 I had lumps even running b6 at 400mg. So I hyperdosed my tongkat ali(1:100 extract) to about 1-2G a day, and here at day 6 I can honestly say my lumps are 40-50% smaller then they once were. I don't know how this works or whatever, but I'd appreciated anyone with experience piping in. I'm still on letro .5mg and b6 at 400mg as I'm hoping I can nip this gyno in the ass(I completed a full 4 week PCT with clomid nolvadex 4 weeks ago so I've had the gyno at least 2 months). I have read several reports of people who do not used AAS GETTING gyno from tongkat as it probably raised their test too much and estrogen as well? However my letro is keeping my estrogen low low so maybe that + supressing prolactin is helping me? I have no idea and could be shooting in the dark here but I know it is working for me.

[BajanBastard]

Post the studies you have. Why didn't you take the letro ON cycle? Post the full cycle. As for your gyno it could be estrogen or progesterone because they are both intertwined. If you has used the letro on cycle and suppressed you estrogen you would not have gotten the gyno. A lesson learned I hope.

[bigjayo]

I knew you were gonna ask me to post em, haha, I'll google my way back and see if I can. I didn't take letro b/c I didn't know about it and I figured 20mg nolvadex ED was fine? Full cycle was
1-10 Test E 500mg
1-6 tren 150 EOD(but was more like every 2.5 days, so like 300-400mg a week tren)

At week 3, I had lumps, so I waited another 2 weeks, dropped the tren, and added letro(as I heard u are supposed to run it on cycle and then cycle down for your PCT) and thats what I did. But after 2 weeks it didn't do anything and my chest just hurt worse so I went into PCT after week 5 was completed. I thought I did everything correctly as far as that goes. I just got some tongkat cuz the libido got killed by the letro

[BajanBastard]

Sorry about your dick man. lol. The nolva can increase your chance of getting gyno from a nandrolone (deca, tren) so that might have been your problem. Letro takes about 2 weeks before reaching ideal blood levels so that's why it didn't work in the 2 week time frame.

[bigjayo]

Nolva can increase prolactin? What the hell....I didn't know that. And I am just now learning about how long it takes for letro to become stable in the blood so I am rerunning it for 3-4 months at low doses. Any THANKS for the sympathy haha, so far cialis + tongkat is treating me alright

[BajanBastard]

Nolva can increase prolactin? What the hell....I didn't know that. And I am just now learning about how long it takes for letro to become stable in the blood so I am rerunning it for 3-4 months at low doses. Any THANKS for the sympathy haha, so far cialis + tongkat is treating me alright

Well nolva does not increase prolactin.
Nolva up-regulates the progesterone receptor and since tren itself binds to the progesterone receptor combining high dose of the two increases your chance of getting gyno. Letro down-regulates the progesterone and estrogen receptors and lowers estrogen in and outside of cells.