***NEED HELP WITH A (no test) CYCLE FOR MY UNCLE***

[testosterona]

my uncle wants me to put him together a cycle. he has about 4under his belt before, including: halo, sust, enth, dbol. he wants solid gains with no bloat.....and no test(don't ask me why). i was thinking eq 400mgs wk1-12 and anavar 50mgs ed wk6-12. if you had to build a test free cycle aimed towards strength and lean tissue building, what would you run? keep in miind, he only wants about 8lbs solid, money is not a factor, and the shorter the cycle the better. thanks for the input.

t

[vitor]

My last test free cycle:
primo-1g 1-10
dianabol- 15 1-6
winstrol-75 mgs 7-12
proviron-25mgs ed 1-12(for libodo)
went from 202 to 215 pounds with 8/9% bodyfat, 5/11. Very happy with the gains!

[macgyver_48]

has he considered using test w/ an AI? femara really cut the bloat down for me.

[CrazyorHigh]

ya throw some winstrol in there

[ODC0717]

I'd go with OT rather then var. Some Cialis or Levitra could be handy if he's having a "hard" time with his libido. (No pun indended).

[mranak]

and no test(don't ask me why).

Why?

[eGGz]

How old is he?

[macgyver_48]

I'd go with OT rather then var. Some Cialis or Levitra could be handy if he's having a "hard" time with his libido. (No pun indended).

have you ran both?

[Swifto]

Tbol/Primo

[Super Steroidologist]

Primo/EQ/Winny

EQ/Superdrol

EQ/Dbol/Winny

Primo/Dbol/Wniny

Primo/Tbol/EQ

Primo/Var

DBOL/Primo/Var

Dbol/EQ/Var


Just a few.




[R]

[Smak]

Whut Up Rossy.

[Smak]

No test Prop in any of your cycles? Why not?

[cb25]

if i "had to bulid a test-free cycle"

i wouldn't.

[Super Steroidologist]

No test Prop in any of your cycles? Why not?

Adding TEST will SABOTAGE my entire cycle. It will bring about SIDE effects, and it will make RETENTION of gains POST-cycle very difficult; as testosterone SERIOUSLY adversely affects the HPTA, and SHUTS IT DOWN. I may be SUPRESSED on my cycles, but NEVER SHUTDOWN.

The compounds that I use, at the dosages and durations I use them, pose no threat to my libido at all. I have never suffered any serious loss of sex drive, and the one time when I DID lose my libido(while on High dosage Anavar), I simply added Proviron, and problem was fixed while actually CONTRIBUTING to my gains.


[R]

[cb25]

Adding TEST will SABOTAGE my entire cycle. It will bring about SIDE effects, and it will make RETENTION of gains POST-cycle very difficult; as testosterone SERIOUSLY adversely affects the HPTA, and SHUTS IT DOWN. I may be SUPRESSED on my cycles, but NEVER SHUTDOWN.

The compounds that I use, at the dosages and durations I use them, pose no threat to my libido at all. I have never suffered any serious loss of sex drive, and the one time when I DID lose my libido(while on High dosage Anavar), I simply added Proviron, and problem was fixed while actually CONTRIBUTING to my gains.


[R]

here we go again.

i retract my earlier statement...ross will definitely be banned more times than hoss ever was.

[JESUSisLORD]

Will Test in a cycle make you hairy? if it does, then i dont want test in my cycle either.

[diezell]

Adding TEST will SABOTAGE my entire cycle. It will bring about SIDE effects, and it will make RETENTION of gains POST-cycle very difficult; as testosterone SERIOUSLY adversely affects the HPTA, and SHUTS IT DOWN. I may be SUPRESSED on my cycles, but NEVER SHUTDOWN.

The compounds that I use, at the dosages and durations I use them, pose no threat to my libido at all. I have never suffered any serious loss of sex drive, and the one time when I DID lose my libido(while on High dosage Anavar), I simply added Proviron, and problem was fixed while actually CONTRIBUTING to my gains.


[R]

wow ross im shocked youre not banned yet, this must be a record time for staying on for you.
ps

[Super Steroidologist]

Will Test in a cycle make you hairy? if it does, then i dont want test in my cycle either.

TEST WILL MAKE YOU HAIRY--FACT.

Test is highly ANDROGENIC--Increased HAIR is a result of that.

Essentially, everytime you administer SUPRAPHYSIOLOGICAL dosages of exogenous Testosterone, you are GOING THROUGH PUBERTY. Again. Again. And again.

Increased Hair, Acne, Gyno, Mood swings--All sides from TEST....and...PUBERTY.



[R]

[JESUSisLORD]

so if i dont take test i wont go throught puberty agian and agian and agian? What if i only took 50mg of dbol a week for four weeks? would i benefit from it?

[Super Steroidologist]

so if i dont take test i wont go throught puberty agian and agian and agian? What if i only took 50mg of dbol a week for four weeks? would i benefit from it?

Methandrostenelone(Dianabol) should be taken in LOWER dosages for LONGER durations: 20-25mgs, 6-8 weeks.

I would not reccomend DBOL only, although it has it's purposes.

*Primo/EQ/Tbol*

Permanent LEAN MASS.



[R]

[topvega]

it's 625 pm and ross hasn't been banned.... by the way ross... i love the avatar...

[diezell]

Methandrostenelone(Dianabol) should be taken in LOWER dosages for LONGER durations: 20-25mgs, 6-8 weeks.

I would not reccomend DBOL only, although it has it's purposes.

*Primo/EQ/Tbol*

Permanent LEAN MASS.



[R]

how come earlier you refered to "low dose dbol" as "poor mans anavar", and were recomending it to everyone then? caught in another lie ross

[Super Steroidologist]

Low dose DBOL IS a "poor man's anavar" especially when used in conjunction with Liquidex. It is GREAT!

It always will be GREAT!


[R]

[Tattoo70]

pole smoker

Low dose DBOL IS a "poor man's anavar" especially when used in conjunction with Liquidex. It is GREAT!

It always will be GREAT!


[R]

[wolfyEVH]

TEST WILL MAKE YOU HAIRY--FACT.

Test is highly ANDROGENIC--Increased HAIR is a result of that.

Essentially, everytime you administer SUPRAPHYSIOLOGICAL dosages of exogenous Testosterone, you are GOING THROUGH PUBERTY. Again. Again. And again.

Increased Hair, Acne, Gyno, Mood swings--All sides from TEST....and...PUBERTY.



[R]

sorry dickface, but it all depends on how many DHT enzymes you have in your body that will determine bodyhair growth. I can easily take 750 to a gram of test a week and can't notice any hair growth at all. Because of my particular genetic makeup.

Mood swings from test?? try mood swings from LOW to NO test.

I love you how act like everyone who touches test will get gyno also. Too funny Ross.

Try actually doing some more research and post some VALID material and maybe, just MAYBE, you'll make some valid points

[diezell]

Low dose DBOL IS a "poor man's anavar" especially when used in conjunction with Liquidex. It is GREAT!

It always will be GREAT!


[R]

all i got to say is

















ross

[Super Steroidologist]

sorry dickface, but it all depends on how many DHT enzymes you have in your body that will determine bodyhair growth. I can easily take 750 to a gram of test a week and can't notice any hair growth at all. Because of my particular genetic makeup.

Mood swings from test?? try mood swings from LOW to NO test.

I love you how act like everyone who touches test will get gyno also. Too funny Ross.

Try actually doing some more research and post some VALID material and maybe, just MAYBE, you'll make some valid points

LOL--you need a STUDY demonstrating that TEST causes ACNE and increased hair growth?

DUH.......



[R]

[I_Want_Abs]

i dont believe ross is still here feeding people his bullsh!t

ban him









LOL

[testosterona]

alright, back to the topic. ross could actually do me some good in this thread ( i never thought that i'd say that). anyways, uncle is 38ys old. im thinking that primo and tbol might be a good combo. how would this compare to tbol and eq?

[topvega]

alright, back to the topic. ross could actually do me some good in this thread ( i never thought that i'd say that). anyways, uncle is 38ys old. im thinking that primo and tbol might be a good combo. how would this compare to tbol and eq?

God Test.... ( i never use caps) u just sold your soul to the devil.............lol i can't believe u said ross might do u some....... oh my god... i am gonna say it........ GOOD!!!!!!!

[testosterona]

ha, i know. WTF? what do you think vega, any input on this though?

[chest6]

God Test.... ( i never use caps) u just sold your soul to the devil.............lol i can't believe u said ross might do u some....... oh my god... i am gonna say it........ GOOD!!!!!!!

oh no you said it....ahhh im running

[topvega]

ha, i know. WTF? what do you think vega, any input on this though?

well if he wants a short cycle and possible dick function isn't a factor then tren a and var or tren a and eq...?? i wld put tren in any cycle if u want to gain hard muscle... 8 lbs ain't shit... good diet and tren can do that..

[testosterona]

thats a good idea. maybe 100mgs tren a eod wk 1-8, var 50mgs ed wk 3-8?

[wolfyEVH]

LOL--you need a STUDY demonstrating that TEST causes ACNE and increased hair growth?

DUH.......



[R]

Did you not read my post? Re-read it Ross. SLOWLY...then get back with me

[testosterona]

bump for more opinions

[wolfyEVH]

LOL--you need a STUDY demonstrating that TEST causes ACNE and increased hair growth?

DUH.......



[R]

Did you not read my post? Re-read it Ross. SLOWLY...then get back with me

by the way Ross, did you ever post your leg pics for us??

[Super Steroidologist]

TREN? VAR?

Why compose utterly USELESS cycles when there are SOO many NON-test cycles that work GREAT!

Testo, don't listen to these clowns. tell your uncle to grab some Primo and run it with either a low dosage of Dbol(15-25mgs) or some EQ and Winny. He should have NO Sexual issues WHATSOEVER--but JUST IN CASE--grab some Proviron.


[R]

[Joey2ness]

how about big cats Effective Cutting Cycle
it consist of equipoise, winstrol and proviron

scroll down to it
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catsample.htm

[testosterona]

thanks for all the input as usuall. i have a general idea of what to set him up with.