Tribulus or Tongkat?

[ACE5HIGH]

I need your opinions guys which do you prefer of the two?

[scm007]

I'd go with the trib just because it is a helluva lot cheaper.

[Bryan2]

Trib does NOT work efficiently at raising test levels

Just use DHEA because that is what trib converts to

Tongat actually has some scientific feedback on it raising test

[wolfyEVH]

i prefer clomid and/or nolva

[fitnessguy]

tongkat worked better for me but as mentioned, is more expensive....
i use trib, tongkat, and dhea (as far as supps. go) during PCT...

[Papi93]

i prefer clomid and/or nolva

I'm thinking of using clomid and nolva as a natural test booster (as opposed to trib and tongkat). Is there any negatives to using clomid and nolva in this manner?

[ACE5HIGH]

I'm thinking of using clomid and nolva as a natural test booster (as opposed to trib and tongkat). Is there any negatives to using clomid and nolva in this manner?

Not a good idea. Clomid and nolva are strong drugs with side effects, best if you only use them PCT IMO

[Papi93]

Not a good idea. Clomid and nolva are strong drugs with side effects, best if you only use them PCT IMO

I've read about the sides with clomid but nolva can be run the duration of a cycle. This would lead me to believe that you could use a 12 week run of nolva instead of tongkat ali. Anyone else?

[Bryan2]

I've read about the sides with clomid but nolva can be run the duration of a cycle. This would lead me to believe that you could use a 12 week run of nolva instead of tongkat ali. Anyone else?

SERMs such as clomid and nolva will NOT raise test beyond normal parameters you would want to run an AI like adex for this purpose

[Papi93]

SERMs such as clomid and nolva will NOT raise test beyond normal parameters you would want to run an AI like adex for this purpose

I was looking to use them as a bridge between cycles. High normal is what I was looking to achieve. Would you still recommend adex then? How long would you recommend running adex? Thanks for your input Bryan!

[Bryan2]

Yes use the Adex at around .5 to 1mg ed and your body will be producing Higher levels than normal to what degree is unpredicatble but some even double there normal test levels.

Use it for around 4 weeks

[Papi93]

Yes use the Adex at around .5 to 1mg ed and your body will be producing Higher levels than normal to what degree is unpredicatble but some even double there normal test levels.

Use it for around 4 weeks

Sorry for all the questions. When you say Adex you mean LiquiDex (Anastrozole), right? Also, would this be suppressive to your test levels, at all? Thanks again!

[AnabolicBoy1981]

I'd go with the trib just because it is a helluva lot cheaper.

not really. you can get 72 pills of redkat for 20bucks.
Quality trib in the amounts necessary to raise test is more expensive...from what iv seen.

[AnabolicBoy1981]

I'm thinking of using clomid and nolva as a natural test booster (as opposed to trib and tongkat). Is there any negatives to using clomid and nolva in this manner?

im on week 6 of trib, tongkat, letro, and nolva...and to tell you the truth, i dont think id bother doing it again. My gains are steady but not amazing. I really dont think making that much a difference.Not really worth the money or loss in sex drive. 2 weeks left though, and then im gonna extent the nolva a month past the letro.

[Bryan2]

Sorry for all the questions. When you say Adex you mean LiquiDex (Anastrozole), right? Also, would this be suppressive to your test levels, at all? Thanks again!

Yes this will RAISE your test levels bro

[Bryan2]

im on week 6 of trib, tongkat, letro, and nolva...and to tell you the truth, i dont think id bother doing it again. My gains are steady but not amazing. I really dont think making that much a difference.Not really worth the money or loss in sex drive. 2 weeks left though, and then im gonna extent the nolva a month past the letro.

Well letro is far to harsh as it messes with sex drive and secondly nolva reduces AIs effects around 30-40% so just using a straight AI would yeild better results.

[Papi93]

Trib does NOT work efficiently at raising test levels

Just use DHEA because that is what trib converts to

Tongat actually has some scientific feedback on it raising test

What extract would you recommend for tongkat? I remember reading, maybe, 50:1? I want the highest ratio possible. I was thinking of purchasing Redkat by Biotest.