what do you guys think is a better kickstart

[SpiderRico]

Do you guys prefer dbol for the first 4 weeks or Prop??

[MatrixGuy]

Depends on the person really and the results your looking for. If you after mass then go for dbol or prop for a cutter. I did prop for 4 weeks last time. Going to try dbol next time around.

[JohnnyB]

I like prop, because of my age, don't need all that extra water either

JohnnyB

[SpiderRico]

i have done dbol and yes i can also agree with alot of water pump wise which one is better because i know with dbol i would get insane pumps and strength

[JohnnyB]

i know the pumps and strength is the draw, but how much is kept? I like the slow and steading gains

JohnnyB

[SpiderRico]

i guess thats a good point i guess gains will be able to be kept with prop as opposed to dbol

[speedtraining]

i love both in conjuction..

[Prada]

I prefer prop

[vein-x]

The ONE thing to keep in mind... Injections.

Once EVERY day with a b*tch of a sting the next day and even still... you have to shoot it again. Whereas with Dbol, pop a pill and you're all set. Better pumps and extra weight always helps with size too.

I guess go with MatrixGuy's advise. Cutting: Test. Prop. Solid Bulker: Dbol.

[hosam4ever]

i like ur theory johnny b

[SpiderRico]

i think i like Johnny b's theory too with dbol your not going to be able to keep anything at all but with the prop you should be at least to keep some of it.

[TRE]

I like AS that allow you too actually keep what you work extremely hard for (muscle). I say prop

[Son Of Khadafi]

As much as i love jumpstarting with prop and prefer it, most of the size you'll get from dbol is sustained because around weeks 4-5 the long ester test you're taking is taking effect. I personally keep around 85-90%.

You wont get the shredded look you'll get from jumping with prop though.

[SpiderRico]

the only thing im worried is ive never ran prop and i know about prop pain so i just have to get ready for that. I have done two cc's of sust cuz i just had left over stuff from mexico and used it at the beginning of my last cycle but i know they had some soreness to them so i know prop is going to be pretty rough

[SpiderRico]

As much as i love jumpstarting with prop and prefer it, most of the size you'll get from dbol is sustained because around weeks 4-5 the long ester test you're taking is taking effect. I personally keep around 85-90%.

You wont get the shredded look you'll get from jumping with prop though.

you keep 89-90% of what?? the dbol gains? sorry just not understanding

[Son Of Khadafi]

You could add some b12 in the syringe with it, that supposedly helps. Never have done that though. I kinda like the pain b/c it gets me more agressive....as long as the shot of prop wasn't in the quad.....then i can barely walk lol

[Son Of Khadafi]

you keep 89-90% of what?? the dbol gains? sorry just not understanding

Yea. When I'm on test and whatever else and kickstart with dbol...i keep 85-90% of the weight i gain in the first 4 weeks

[SpiderRico]

You could add some b12 in the syringe with it, that supposedly helps. Never have done that though. I kinda like the pain b/c it gets me more agressive....as long as the shot of prop wasn't in the quad.....then i can barely walk lol

dam maybe thats why i felt like crap i shot the sust in my quad 500mgs of it and i couldnt walk for a week right ... what about the delt though wouldnt that make your arm sore as hell

[TRE]

Yea. When I'm on test and whatever else and kickstart with dbol...i keep 85-90% of the weight i gain in the first 4 weeks

I dont know if I believe that, so your saying you keep pretty much all your gains no matter what. If you run 4 cycles you'll be as big as Mr Olympia. Can't wait too see you on stage haha

[SpiderRico]

Yea. When I'm on test and whatever else and kickstart with dbol...i keep 85-90% of the weight i gain in the first 4 weeks

i was the same way when i jump started with dbol but i can just tell all the weight that i gain within those four weeks of dbol was nothing but water

[Son Of Khadafi]

dam maybe thats why i felt like crap i shot the sust in my quad 500mgs of it and i couldnt walk for a week right ... what about the delt though wouldnt that make your arm sore as hell

You're gonna have to rotate when taking shots ED, I like Bi's, pecs, delts, lats, bracs, and if you still don't have enough you put it in your glute

[Son Of Khadafi]

I dont know if I believe that, so your saying you keep pretty much all your gains no matter what. If you run 4 cycles you'll be as big as Mr Olympia. Can't wait too see you on stage haha

Sh*t....i wish....no i mean after the 4 weeks of dbol is up, and i'm only on test and whatever else, the weight still stays. Not talking about after PCT.

[Son Of Khadafi]

dam maybe thats why i felt like crap i shot the sust in my quad 500mgs of it and i couldnt walk for a week right ... what about the delt though wouldnt that make your arm sore as hell

figure you put about 60mgs of prop in there b/c there's only 30mgs/mL in Sust....most ppl take 75mgs prop ed so you might want to save the quad injections for when youre taking your long esters

[TRE]

got it. Thats my point though, you'll keep some prop gains after pct.

Also if your kick starting and you dont want to kill yourself with ed injections just do it eod

[james21]

Both!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[New Juice]

prop is better quality muscle and i personally thnk you keep more

[New Juice]

prop is better quality muscle and i personally thnk you keep more

[bigJJ]

Done both, and like both, but for different reasons...

If I feel my BF% is low enough to withstand the water weight gain and not look too fat, I love Dbol. It's fast and I like the feeling it gives me. Simple as that. I also like Dbol at the end of a cycle (ending about 4 weeks before the end of the regular cycle, just to give me a good extra pump).

Prop is a good all around drug, I think. I don't mind the ED injects (I've done them for months at a time), and it will give you quality gains, even at 50mg/day.

For the newbie, I'd say Dbol, just because they are usually turned off by ED injects, but for the experienced, I'd say Prop. But Dbol is also fun to throw in from time to time. As long as you understand the limitations of the drug.

[marcus300]

All depends on what your trying to achieve with the whole cycle,