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Would it be a reasonable idea to run Var alone for my first cycle? I've seen a guy keep his journel of Var and getting great results.
Would...
Weeks 1-12-Var@75mg/ed
Weeks 10-14- Clen/T3
and run Nolva throughout the entire thing and Clomid for a PCT be a good beginnger's cycle you think?
Just throwing idea's around trying to broading the view's yahhh hurrdd
Other supps including; Milk Thistle, hawthorn berry, and Niacin for Liver/Cholestoral protection
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nothing wrong with a var only cycle just that i would run some prop with it!
no need for the nolva if you are running var only!
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wow so Var can almost be ran like an ordinary supp if alone huh?
I'm just thinking of ways to maybe avoid the dropping in natural test, and avoiding using test all in general
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proviron
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elaborate on the proviron..?
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but i might look into hcg, but ill bump it cause im not completely educated on how to run HCG.
but here is a bit of info on proviron taken from steroid profiles :
Proviron is a synthetic, orally effective androgen which does not have any anabolic characteristics. Proviron is used in school medi-cine to case or cure disturbances caused by a deficiency of male sex hormones. Many athletes, for this reason, often use Proviron at the end of a steroid treatment in order to increase the reduced testoster-one production. This, however, is not a good idea since Proviron has no effect on the body's own testosterone production but-as men-tioned in the beginning-only reduces or completely eliminates the dysfunctions caused by the testosterone deficiency. These are, in par-ticular, impotence which is mostly caused by an androgen deficiency that can occur after the discontinuance of steroids, and infertility which manifests itself in a reduced sperm count and a reduced sperm quality. Proviron is therefore taken during a steroid administration or after discontinuing the use of the steroids, to eliminate a possible impotency or a reduced sexual interest. This, however, does not con-tribute to the maintenance of strength and muscle mass after the treatment. There are other better suited compounds for this (see HCG, Clomid, and Teslac). For this reason Proviron is unfortunately considered by many to be a useless and unnecessary compound.
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If I am correct var itself will mess with your natural test production.Originally Posted by SVTMuscle
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What are your GOALS?
If you are looking for MASS GAINS, Anavar would definitely NOT be OPTIMAL.
If you are looking for JUST STRENGTH with minimal weight-gain, Anavar is perfect.
Anavar was my 1st cycle EVER.
I ran 20mgs ED for 6 weeks. Even while eating an extremely clean, HIGH, calorie surplus, I only gained about 5lbs. However, There is no other compound that will make you as STRONG or as HARD with NO Side-effects whatsoever. You get the benefits of a highly androgenic compound without the androgenic sides--simply great.
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yo ross ...... u ever run var at 60-100mg ED ???
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I'm just looking for something to get me hard for summer and more ripped. I'm not looking for mass and strength.
i think i may add Var to my next Ergomax and Prostanozol cycle.
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I have ran Anavar up to 80mgs.
I do not think it is useful at such dosages. If you want mass, simply use a DIFFERENT compound. 40mgs is all that is required for Anavar to work its magic. Granted, you will not experience much weight gain at such a dosage.
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then y do so many claim that they dont feel the true effects of var until they run it at like 75-100mg ??? ... just curious
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I'm thinking this is gonna be my cycle
- Ergomax
- Prostanzol
- Anavar 50mg/ED
Then finish it off with Clen/T3
And also run Nolva throughout it. And then use Anabolic Extreme's "Retain" Stack (PCT,Retain) for the PCT.
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BECAUSE EVERYONE EXPECTS MASS GAINS FROM ANAVAR!
lol
This is just NOT what bodybuilders use Oxandrolone for.
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Awful.
With so many options available, why a "prohormone" with Anavar? Furthermore, BOTH being DHT-derived?
If you want a cycle, state your goals please. I would be more than willing to help.
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so would u advise against using var at 75mg ED ??? ..... and why/why not ???
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I advise against it. Primarily because you are wasting your ANAVAR. It is NOT for MASS.
Yea, maybe if you TAKE ENOUGH of it, you will gain some mass. But that is NOT what it is for.
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Please listen to anyone but Ross, to learn why read this thread:
http://67.18.108.244/showthread.php?t=224061&page=2
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I got awesome gains from my previous cycle of Ergomax and Prostan.
I do not want a full blown AAS cycle, I just wanna get my feet wet and take a mild cycle to get hard and lean for summer
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If you want a MILD all ORAL cycle:
Weeks 1-8: Dianabol, 30mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Anavar, 40mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Proviron, 50mgs ED
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again!
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dude are you serious, just because i've never cycled before dosnt mean i dont know about this stuff...
why dont i just throw some anadrol and insulin in there too
Last edited by SVTMuscle*; 02-14-2006 at 09:11 PM.
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i dont think that would be anymore toxic than the cycle you layed out with ergo max lmg/ var/ whatever the hell. it would be alot more effective too i'm sure, esp if you want to keep your dick effective
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good call
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do you know what Ergomax and Prostanozol are?
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I hear ya man. Taking steroid or even supplement advice from a 19 year old (no offence testosterona ) would not be anything I was interested in. I don't care how many posts he has in the last few months. How much good exp. can a 19 year old have with these drugs?
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Back to your original question. I would not run it as a first cycle. Why? Because your first few cycles are experiments on yourself to see how you personnaly react to these compounds. Anavar is very mild, not much of an experiment. I would stick with test @ 400 - 500mg per wek for 10 weeks and if you feel great at 10, extend it to 12. Put that experiment (experience) behind you, since test is the great base of any cycle. Then you can add a coupound to it next time like var, eq, winny, deca, whatever, just pick one.
If you still want to do var only, I can tell you that I have run it for 14 weeks at 60mg and loved it (by itself), but I also had a solid build through other cycles for it to work with. I lost some minor fat on the abs, got more cut, more veins and strength was great. It did supress natural test, not near shuting it down but just a little shut off. You would want to run some pct after. If you want to put on any mass at all then I would opt for test and you will get your exp. with the best streroid out there in my opinion.
And also, if that biography note in your profile that says "est 1986" means you are 18 or 19 then forget what I said and wait a good 4 years before you start with this stuff.
Last edited by sp9; 02-15-2006 at 05:50 AM.
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well yes, im 19 also. I've already ran 1 cycle of Ergomax/Prostanozol, no biggy. And being 19, i do not want to get into a full boat yet, like I said before. But I do want a little something to get my started, and I figured a lighty androgenic non-test compound like Var would be a good way to start.
Maybe i'll just stick with Clen/T3 to for my cut beginning April 1st
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OPnce you start it is very addictive, you may only do one cycle per year, but most people (99%) don't try one cycle and stop. You figure out how one coupound works first and then try others in more cycles (if your smart). Then you continue to tweak your diet and workouts, and want to see how you react. I am glad I didn't try anything until i was 32.
I think you have a good idea to stay away from anything for a little while longer.
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I do understand the addiction, and i KNOW that it is there. After just 1 'cycle' of Ergo/Prostan I got huge gains and I want them back! haha But since they are OTC and not particularly full out AAS, I just consider them really good supplements
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Jesus bro you are either ready to take AAS or you are not. Since you have already run Ergomax you should know that you have run something that is much harsher than Var. Ergomax is methylated DMT. You seem to be looking for a shortcut for everything. You won't run the cycle now but you'll run Clen/t3 to cut up??? Let me just just give it to you like it is. Nothing will cut you up like Diet and Cardio. If you are a BB and you need to get extremely hard for a competition well then that's another thing. But I wouldn't be running Halotestin for spring break.
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That's a great post Giantz and yeah i got a good diet and alot of cardio going on, but why not run it with Clen and T3 and get really good results? I plan on competing next year at some point.
And I just wanted Var because i've been hearing alot of good things about it and very mild effects.
The ergomax cycle was not harsh at all, I ran alot of milk thistle and a full PCT with it, so I dont really know what to look for as far as negative effects besides the mild acne i got, but besides that, it went well for me
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double post
Last edited by SVTMuscle*; 02-15-2006 at 01:14 PM.
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sp9, you got one big mouth don't you! to my understading and 19yr old knowlege ergomax is alot more of a strain on the liver than some var! but what do i know, i just have a ton of posts
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Sp9 im gonna agree with Testosterona on that also, especially with the supplement part, I work at GNC, it is my job to know alot about supplements, so just because we're young dosnt mean we dont know our stuff
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That's ok guys, when I was 19 I thought I knew more than most people to.(At least you are honest about your age, which shows much more integrity on your part than many who are on this site).
#1 This is a post in the anabolic steroids forum, not the supplements forum.
#2 I to was a so called expert in supplements and was active it those discussions before I moved on to AS.
#3 My comments are about your decision or non decision to use AS. I would defer back to the original subject and reason for this post:
"Anavar stand alone?
Would it be a reasonable idea to run Var alone for my first cycle? I've seen a guy keep his journel of Var and getting great results.
Would...
Weeks 1-12-Var@75mg/ed
Weeks 10-14- Clen/T3
and run Nolva throughout the entire thing and Clomid for a PCT be a good beginnger's cycle you think?
Just throwing idea's around trying to broading the view's yahhh hurrdd
Other supps including; Milk Thistle, hawthorn berry, and Niacin for Liver/Cholestoral protection"
You guys can talk supplements all day long an I would defer to your knowledge if you were 9 years old because I don't follow those products any more and personally concluded that 99% of whats out there for supps is just a way to seperate people from their money and give them little to no benefit. The ones that do work, seem to be just as harsh or more harsh than the actual steroids that give a higher benefit ratio.
Sorry to have offended you guys or made a post that was unclear, I was specifically talking about your Ananbolic Steroid knowledge at 19 not your supplement knowledge.
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As far as my mouth, I am going to continue to do the appropriate thing and try to sway teenagers and people in their early 20's to not use drugs until they are a little older.
Last edited by sp9; 02-16-2006 at 06:43 AM.
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Did you have blood work done post cycle? You would look for lipid values and liver enzymes. If you do not know those numbers then you do not know how harsh the cycle was.
As far as running T3/Clen for cutting up. Yes it can be done, but like I said its just a shortcut for good diet and cardio. If you start cutting early enough there should be no probelms. I do think clen is a good addition, if you've run it before, it will help. But to be honest probably don't need the t3.
As for Var it is mild, you will have some nice strength gains and you will be able to cut down quicker. If that is your goal then, use some var. However my main point was this can all be accomplished without the use of any drugs, it just may take a bit longer. That way you can save up for when you want to run a real cycle.
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I completlely understand where your comming from and I respect that. I am completly aware that teenagers, and us 'kids' should in fact stay away from AAS usage. And I plan on keeping away from injectable's and heavy dosages and highly androgenic ones such as Test, Anadrol, etc.
The reason I put anavar, same as I said above I think, it appears to be a very mild, and realitively 'safe' something to start with.
But this whole idea can be thrown out of the water, because I saw prices from some sources, and there is no way I'm about to spend that much money on Var.
When i can save it for beer and weed!! ....yah just kidding on that one.
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And I think I'm gonna just stick with Clen also, T3 is a little out of my league for right now.
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ROSS is a god guy... & svt.. go w/ anavar only as mentioned. i heard good things too about anavar... i know somebody in my gym that never used test in his only past 3 cycles & has descent mass that stays w/ him.. sometimes i cant figure it out..
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