Grr! Missed my AM cardio, how long to do it tonight after weights?

[aspengc8]

I've been hitting the AM cardio almost every morning religously, seeing stellar results. Last night I had to work late, so I missed my AM cardio this morning so I could get atleast 8 hours sleep. How long should I do cardio for tonight after my weight session? 30 min low intensity? I usually go low intensity incline walk for about 60mins, but thats in the AM. Edit: Goal is cutting.

[brutesinme]

missing one day isn't going to kill you. your solution sounds good.

[bcap]

i personally wouldn't do cardio after workouts.

explanation:

after you workout, you obviously know that your muscles are in dire need of nutrients (hence pwo nutrition). so we give them carbs (dex) and protien (whey). now if you go and run right after this, then you are not burning fat, you are simply burning away all these good nutrients your muscles need

hope i responded in time

good luck

bryan

[aspengc8]

I wasnt going to run after PWO shake. I was going to do my workout, lasts about 30 mins, and then do 30 mins of light cardio, then shake.

[SPIKE]

i personally wouldn't do cardio after workouts.

explanation:

after you workout, you obviously know that your muscles are in dire need of nutrients (hence pwo nutrition). so we give them carbs (dex) and protien (whey). now if you go and run right after this, then you are not burning fat, you are simply burning away all these good nutrients your muscles need

hope i responded in time

good luck

bryan

Do you have a better explanation?

[SPIKE]

I was going to do my workout, lasts about 30 mins, and then do 30 mins of light cardio, then shake.

Nothing wrong one bit with doing it like this. I prefer AM cardio but when I"m really in the final stages of cutting I'll do both AM and PWO cardio.

Explanation: Hopefully by the time you're done with your resistance training you would have utilized your stored Glucose as fuel (this will depend on how hard you trained). So by the time your are performing your PWO cardio it will be all stored fat as fuel. Similar to when you wake up in the AM you're wanting to use stored fat as fuel.

If this was a routine thing then you would need to get your BF% checked often to make sure you're not breaking down any protein as fuel. Hence muscle loss.........

[aspengc8]

So PWO cardio should be performed like AM cardio? What type of time range for this? 20-60 mins, since I used most of my blood sugar for the weights?

[bcap]

i still disagree with this

15 mins after weights is when your muscles need the nutrients the most, but meh, what do i know

good luck dude

[SPIKE]

What type of time range for this? 20-60 mins

I cant give you a simple answer here. It depends on your goal and where you're at now.

I see that you do 60 minutes low intensity. I'd like to see you do 20-30 minutes at your THR as a baseline. This seems to be a 1-time thing so this one run wont make or break you.

since I used most of my blood sugar for the weights?

Mostly all of it we hope....

[SPIKE]

but meh, what do i know

I dont know what you know that's why I asked.

[aspengc8]

Thanks for the input jayhova. I'll prolly just hit it for 30 mins. Just kinda ticked off I didnt get to do it this morning. When something is working so well, and you know your on the right track, things like that piss you off.

[Giantz11]

i still disagree with this

15 mins after weights is when your muscles need the nutrients the most, but meh, what do i know

good luck dude

You actually have closer to an hour. And the dire need, is not quite as dire as you state, providing that you have a good Pre workout meal.

Jay is 100% dead on, cardio after weights is very similar to AM cardio. Glycogen is used up, a large amount of FFA's are released into the bloodstream, making this actually quite an nice time to oxidize them.

[bcap]

thanks for clearing this up giantz

[ShnouzedUp]

so instead of doing AM cardio on an empty stomach, then eating breakfast, then hitting weights... i can simply wake up have breakfast, hit the gym, then my cardio right afteer weights??? i understand this right?

[suckysucky]

Your first 10-15 minutes of cardio is burning carbs. Not fat. The thing with running after working out is that hopefully if u were working hard lifting weights then you already burned all your carbs. Then you could do your cardio and jump rihgt into the burning fat part. I personally like running in the AM because it speeds up your metabolism too but only i have to wait till it gets nicer out.

[Kärnfysikern]

I probably follow my own wierd logic but I do hiit cardio after weights 2 times a week for 15-20. Doesnt effect my strenght negativly at all and a nice way to bump up endurance and it burns a nice ammount of kcal.

[SwoleCat]

so instead of doing AM cardio on an empty stomach, then eating breakfast, then hitting weights... i can simply wake up have breakfast, hit the gym, then my cardio right afteer weights??? i understand this right?

I woudn't.

I'd keep it as you have already, it's better IMHO.

~SC~

[ShnouzedUp]

I woudn't.

I'd keep it as you have already, it's better IMHO.

~SC~

Thanks for the input SC... im just gonna stick to what i've been doing... could you tell me why this is best by the way, so i can tell my buddies at the gym

[ShnouzedUp]

why is this in the damn diet forum anyway.... i can't ever find it when i wanna come back and check it

[SPIKE]

thanks for clearing this up giantz

Giantz you're like a GOD in here, I wish I could be you for a day. B didnt want to listen to me which is fine. As soon as you stepped in it was over.

I do hiit cardio after weights 2 times a week for 15-20. Doesnt effect my strenght negativly at all and a nice way to bump up endurance and it burns a nice ammount of kcal.

I do the same. When its really crunch time I perform 20+min PWO almost every WO in addition to AM cardio. It's all about goals here.............


Just gets to me the people that complain about not losing weight when they tell me they're doing 30-40 minutes 4-5x a week. A little knowledge can go a very long way.......

[Kärnfysikern]

Just gets to me the people that complain about not losing weight when they tell me they're doing 30-40 minutes 4-5x a week. A little knowledge can go a very long way.......

Maby some of us can do alot more cardio without losing muscle.
I always go by my strenght. At most I have done over 2 hours of fast paced walking ed along with 20minutes of HIIT cardio pwo every workout without losing strenght(acctualy gaining strenght all the way).

Personaly HIIT cardio makes me stronger and more explosive. I cant tell how much it does for fat loss. But the endurance, health and strenght benifits are enough reason for me to do it

[Giantz11]

Giantz you're like a GOD in here, I wish I could be you for a day. B didnt want to listen to me which is fine. As soon as you stepped in it was over.





I do the same. When its really crunch time I perform 20+min PWO almost every WO in addition to AM cardio. It's all about goals here.............


Just gets to me the people that complain about not losing weight when they tell me they're doing 30-40 minutes 4-5x a week. A little knowledge can go a very long way.......

I wouldn't go that far!

[bcap]

A little knowledge can go a very long way.......

Now that i THINK i have a little MORE knowledge, let me get this straight.

It is helping A LOT if i do weights (all out) then do 20 mins cardio, even if i do hr 65% - for 20 mins, then take pwo shake?

[SPIKE]

It is helping A LOT if i do weights (all out) then do 20 mins cardio, even if i do hr 65% - for 20 mins, then take pwo shake?

65% is in the lower range of THR, I try to stay within 65-80 or so.

Think about Bcap, by the time you get to cardio we hope that those entire 20 minutes will be all glucose utilized from fat stores. Gluconeogenesis will take place breaking down FFFA's and glycerol to form glucose. That new formed Glucose will take you through your cardio while burning stored fat and overall calories. As I'm sure you know there is more then twice the amount of energy in fat then carbs/protein. So you can really go along way.

Just monitor yourself with consistent Body comps to make sure you're not losing any LBM.

[bcap]

Ok i think i will try this - as far as pwo, just take it after cardio?

[brutesinme]

I also think i may add this in my routine! thanks guys, bcap yeah, pwo right after cardio is how i'm reading it too.

[SPIKE]

as far as pwo, just take it after cardio?

If talking about PWO shake, yes right after cardio.........

[Cardio Kitten]

This article on doing fasted cardio in the AM, makes me laugh...

Alwyn Cosgrove's take on fasted cardio...from his article "20 Things That Make Me Shake My Head"

http://www.*************/readTopic.do?id=863599

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Are you f*cking kidding me? Seriously, are you f*cking kidding me? Why are we even talking about this?

Let's take two twins, both 200lbs, both doing the same training program, taking the same supplements, and following the same nutrition plan in the hopes of getting lean.

One difference, though: one of them eats 2 eggs and does 30 minutes of cardio three days per week. The other does 30 minutes of cardio, three days per week and THEN eats 2 eggs.

So what's the magical difference in terms of fat loss after six months? Drum roll please...

I'll tell you — no f*cking difference.

However, whenever you bring up this question we get a ton of responses saying, "This is exactly the information I needed!". Oh f*ck off. The reason you are still fat is because you couldn't decide to do cardio on an empty stomach or not?

30 minutes of steady state cardio will burn about 300 calories. Three times per week – 900 calories. Add that up for 26 weeks and we get a whopping: 23,400 calories.

Or 6.6 lbs of fat.

In six months.

If doing it fasted, burned 30% more (which it doesn't), you're looking at another 2lbs of fat in that same six month period.

Or an additional 0.07 pounds per week.

And for those of you who say – I do fasted cardio but I have a small scoop of protein first, then you're NOT DOING IT FASTED THEN, ARE YOU?

Fat people finish marathons all the time. Aerobic training doesn't do a hell of a lot for real world fat loss. Even if you're hungry.

[SwoleCat]

Link is busted.......

As well, 2 eggs wouldn't prohibit lipolysis. The idea of "morning cardio" being
productive is to take advantage of low blood glucose levels. 2 eggs would hardly affect that.

~SC~

[ShnouzedUp]

This article on doing fasted cardio in the AM, makes me laugh...

Alwyn Cosgrove's take on fasted cardio...from his article "20 Things That Make Me Shake My Head"

http://www.*************/readTopic.do?id=863599

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Are you f*cking kidding me? Seriously, are you f*cking kidding me? Why are we even talking about this?

Let's take two twins, both 200lbs, both doing the same training program, taking the same supplements, and following the same nutrition plan in the hopes of getting lean.

One difference, though: one of them eats 2 eggs and does 30 minutes of cardio three days per week. The other does 30 minutes of cardio, three days per week and THEN eats 2 eggs.

So what's the magical difference in terms of fat loss after six months? Drum roll please...

I'll tell you — no f*cking difference.

However, whenever you bring up this question we get a ton of responses saying, "This is exactly the information I needed!". Oh f*ck off. The reason you are still fat is because you couldn't decide to do cardio on an empty stomach or not?

30 minutes of steady state cardio will burn about 300 calories. Three times per week – 900 calories. Add that up for 26 weeks and we get a whopping: 23,400 calories.

Or 6.6 lbs of fat.

In six months.

If doing it fasted, burned 30% more (which it doesn't), you're looking at another 2lbs of fat in that same six month period.

Or an additional 0.07 pounds per week.

And for those of you who say – I do fasted cardio but I have a small scoop of protein first, then you're NOT DOING IT FASTED THEN, ARE YOU?

Fat people finish marathons all the time. Aerobic training doesn't do a hell of a lot for real world fat loss. Even if you're hungry.

NIICE... btw, you are smokin hot