do u think eq would be better with winny then prop on a cutting cycle??????
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do u think eq would be better with winny then prop on a cutting cycle??????
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I would run EQ because you have less frequent injections and the added hunger you will get from the EQ is amazing, you can also run the EQ longer then the prop...
Prop injections hurt but if you decide to go with it use an injectable B12 for the shot it will help kill the pain...
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No matter what you do test will need to be one of the compounds used. Now on EQ or winny.... if you have a higher bodyfat % then winny would not be a good choice.Originally Posted by Mustangs_rule54
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I am confused... u do know that prop is a form of test and winny is not?
U need to run some form of test with the eq.... if not prop then a longer ester like test e or test c....
if u don't mind ed injections then prop is the shit.... for me there is no water retention at all..... running prop and tren-a right now and I am hard, dry, and cut....
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you dont HAVE to run Test with EQ as plenty of people know EQ and Winny make a good stack by themselves...however you can throw test in there if you want (and I would)...you dont NEED Test with EQ though as it doesnt shut you down like Deca does....not even close...
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catequi.htm
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yeah but you will still most likely have sex drive issues...its an aas of course its going to suppress/shut you down
and he's on a cutting cycle why would he want added hunger from the eq
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Considering that EQ is used very effectively in cutting cycles, as it says here,yeah but you will still most likely have sex drive issues...its an aas of course its going to suppress/shut you down
and he's on a cutting cycle why would he want added hunger from the eq
"Boldenone is most often used for cutting. Its stacking partners for this purpose in particular are trenbolone, stanazolol and testosterone propionate. I'm no big fan of testosterone for cutting, although propionate is commonly used with great success by many users. Nonetheless I don't recommend test for cutting for beginners. Stanazolol is particularly useful in improving muscle hardness and strength while boldenone offers increased vascularity without overly aromatizing. The use of 50 mg of stanazolol every day, stacked with 300-400 mg per week of boldenone should serve the purpose of retaining gains and gaining increased definition and vascularity while shedding fat very well." "In that aspect boldenone combined with a non-aromatizing steroid like Winstrol or Primobolan may be perfect to help you get cut and ripped while improving vascularity." Big Cat...
and also "The negative effects of boldenone are quite limited. In the normal doses of 300-400 mg a week estrogenic side-effects are almost never noted except in those who are very succeptible to estrogen. In terms of androgenic side-effects long-term use or very intense use of boldenone can cause slight virilizing effects such as acne and increased body-hair growth. Never really a problem for men."
everyone is different but the majority of men dont have this problem...
the appetite is something ytou would have to work on but that can be accomplished if you are strong and no what you are doing...
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Yeah but at the very bottom it also makes note of a 4 week clomid and nolva therapy being needed to regain natty test...... I wldn't run any cycle without some form of test being included...
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Actually it doesnt say that it says this:
"The use of secondary drugs is rarely required. It doesn't aromatize at a great rate so the use of anti-aromatases is rarely implemented and the use of Nolva and clomid, during a cycle, is only necessary when stacked with aromatizing steroids like testosterone. Nolvadex or Clomid may have some use in restoring natural test post-cycle, because of the long-acting ester (11 carbons) and the mild estrogenic component. Normally 4 weeks of treatment is required, starting 1.5 to 2 weeks after the last shot."
It says when taking with aromatizing steroids like testosterone the use of clomid or nolva may be neccessary...
I would run nolva at low dose (10mg daily) just to be safe, but from what I read its not entirely neccessary..
Last edited by Folsom Cellmate; 03-14-2006 at 09:23 PM.
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It also says...It says when taking with aromatizing steroids like testosterone the use of clomid or nolva may be neccessary...
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Which means that it is going to have an affect on your natural test levels, therefore, I believe test would be a good thing to have in there during cycle to keep from having labido problems.Nolvadex or Clomid may have some use in restoring natural test post-cycle, because of the long-acting ester (11 carbons) and the mild estrogenic component. Normally 4 weeks of treatment is required, starting 1.5 to 2 weeks after the last shot."
I have never run eq with winny, so I can't comment on how it would act for sure becaue eq is a test derivative, but I am not sure being a testosterone derivative exactly what the effects would be on labido.
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Ok ross........ So EQ doesn't shut U down................ don't bother reading Hooker's profile then....... it only say's and I quote...
"Eq will cause a suppression of your hormones, such as endogenous testosterone, so I would also recommend using injectable testosterone in any cycle containing it. Failure to do so could result in possible sexual dysfunction and other sides. "
Another know it all test basher........ U and the mind of Ross shld write a book....
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imo prop would be better. equi is a nandrolone base roid, so if you were to take it with winni and nothing else, youd go impotent for awhile. how many cycles have you done? you could try taking all 3
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Don't waste your time velvet..... He know's more then Hooker....
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I havent heard of anyone having problems with EQ and winny and having labido problems, but I guess Big Cat is an idiot and doesnt know anything...
And by the way I said I would use test anyways but that you dont have too, I guess you didnt read that part either....
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In case you havent read I was showing what Big Cat had to say on the issue, not my own personal experience, I guess your as whiny as the baby in your avatar...
though it seems that Stewie is smarter then you...
I also dont remember where I said I know more than anybody... next time read the entire convo before posting on it...
Last edited by Folsom Cellmate; 03-14-2006 at 09:42 PM.
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Are you sure that eq is a nandrolone based steroid, because I thought that it was testosterone based?
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im not sure, but I know its not test based...if im wrong someone correct me...
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see you said use eq because it stimulates hunger as if that was a positive side of it..hes cutting why would he want that...eq is TESTOSTERONE based steroid as far as i know..similar to dbol in structure but not similar at all in effects..you could run a cycle without test using proviron to combat bloat and libido issues...good luck
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The part I highlighted is what I take issue with.... U plainly stated and posted links trying to state that eq will not shut u down.......... that's not true....
I m not gonna get into a test vs no test thing because that debate is never ending.... but the truth is that Eq will shut down unlike what u stated.....
That's all........
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is this directed to me?
If so I understand the hunger issue and said that "you need to be strong and work hard" to not over eat and suppress the hunger, you shouldnt be doing steroids if you cant put yourself on a strict diet anyways...as for it being test based I just dont think so and its more similiar to Deca in structure only with the different sides...its very simliar to nandrolone and mehtenolone so I think it would be closely related to either of those familes of aas...
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http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199802
Hooker's profile on Eq........
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Anabolics 2005 by William Llewellyn says that boldenone is a testosterone derivative on page. 25.
I think because it is always compared to and used similar to decca, than many believe that it is a nandrolone derivative.
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What I think is that YOU DONT NEED TO TAKE TEST...Big Cat says you dont need to worry about labido yet Hooker does, they disagree...I would use test because I think it makes for a great mass gaining stack...if you think that you know more thatn Big Cat then by all means claim you do, however, I know you dont...
Also everyone is different so if he didnt want to use test he wouldnt have too im just telling him not to be to worried about it with EQ...
dont mean to start an argument we just dont agree...
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just because it is compared to deca doesnt mean that its chemical structure is similar..will someone clear this up for me because as far as i know eq's chemical structure is very similar to that of dianabol
and you said this at the top of the thread
I would run EQ because you have less frequent injections and the added hunger you will get from the EQ is amazing, you can also run the EQ longer then the prop...
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Saying that your thread is better then my thread is quite childish...as both are from people who have an idea of what they are talking about...
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Read my previous post, and yes you are correct that its chemical structure is the same as dianabol except for the fact that dianabol is 17aa which in turn causes many differences in the two compounds.
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Normally if I run eq and prop. together, I take them both EOD. Mix them and helps take care of some of the prop. pain.
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whos thread are you talking about? this is only one thread you know please clarify
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Your right about it being similiar to Dbol in essence...a...I didnt say it was a nandrolone though...I said it was similiar to methandrostenolone which is dbol...I of course found this out from doing more reading...
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thank you..now it is proven and there is no more arguing so i hope when folsom cellmate said its coming from both people that know what theyre talking about he wasnt referring to himself..because ive seen nothing but parrot comments or untrue information
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I left a link to BigCats article on EQ from bodybuilding.com he left a thread of EQ from hooker...
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what do you mean in essence?! its similar in chemical structure!!
as for it being test based I just dont think so and its more similiar to Deca in structure only with the different sides...its very simliar to nandrolone and mehtenolone
thats what you said and you also said you KNOW its not test based...im done with you and your out of control advice and lack of knowledge
suck it easy kid
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Your funny...read Big Cats article and maybe you will learn something...then again your probably smarter then him too...
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Methenolone is a Dihydrotestosterone derivative. Did you mean to say Methandorstenolone?
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Thats me from earlier I said correct me if im wrong...velvet lion corrected me...the end your an idiot
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get off his dick dude you are nothing more than a small parrot with nothing good to say..i seen it since day one you are just an echo of everyone except the knowledge coems back wrong suckaa
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thats what i thought. i suppose i could be wrong though. i dont know, boldenone sounds kinda similar to nandrolone. il check it out though and find out for sure
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actually alot of vets have said I have good advice for a newbie...read some of the articles and you will see..
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Bro... try not to make too many friends on here ok.............
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who are you calling an idiot..i should pull up all your posts and show what a joke you are..why would you say you KNOW but then say correct you if your wrong..if you KNOW then there should be no correcting
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