anavar crash?

[Taurus]

i was on an anavar only cycle. i started my pct last friday:

100mg clomid ed
25mg nolv ed
clen.

before starting pct i was at about 202lbs. I am now at 197lbs. i havent gotten any trimmer so i'm guessing i lost 5 lbs of muscle in the first few days. i thought coming off anavar was not supposed to be this harsh? i dont get it. i have lost less than this on other more "stronger" cycles.

can anyone give me any insight. i feel fine. i am working out the same and am eating the same if not more.

[Hellmaskbanned]

Maybe your loseing fat? Var shouldn't shut you down, only suppress, so recovery should be smooth.

[SPIKE]

What dose were you taking and why only Var?

[Njectable]

are you 100% positive it was anavar and not dbol or something and now that your in PCT you may be shedding water weight? I've never had any problems with losing my gains coming off my var cycles. Were you on any creatine during cycle, that you discontinued while going into PCT? May be some water you were holding from the creatine. If it was truly Var you were taking then the chance of it being water weight from the var itself could practically be ruled out, but like i said if you were taking creatine while on cycle and recently stopped taking it you could be shedding water from that or if your gear was something else.

[goose]

For a var only cycle only nolv at 20mg ed is needed.


goose...

[LB 35]

The 5 lbs you lost is probably from the clen, did you start it friday?

[joeben22]

5 lbs. in 4 days?? It has to be water.

[IBdmfkr]

Clen is an appetite suppressant as well, not something you want while on PCT. I'd drop it and clean up the diet. JMO I'm not a big fan of clen.

[joeben22]

Just wondering also if he is getting on the scale at the same time. I myslef fluctuate 5-6 lbs. from the time I wake up to later in the day.

[doublefister]

So if doing a var only cycle do 20 mg of nolva ed? You dont wait till pct?

[Taurus]

i started the clen on saturday. i know it was var and not dbol cuz i've taken dbol before.

the thing is, if it was water weight or fat that i had lost, then i would have seen that... but my midsection is the exact same. even though i'm takin clen, i'm eating more than i was on cycle... so the diet is there... my workout is the same... i'm truly baffled.

20mg of nolv doesnt seem to be enough for pct for var as i am on 25mg of nolv AND 100mg of clomid.

[SEBASTOP]

Muscle takes some time to build and time to consume. Water and, to a lesser extent, fat can be gained and eliminated much faster.

[MAXIMA5]

Taurus,

I can;t figure this one out. I read your Anavar diary thread, and you didn;t seem to be gaining much strength or weight. Your weight shouldn;t fluctuate too much, but were you significantly stronger at the last week of cycle?
Were you tracking your bf%?

[Taurus]

Taurus,

I can;t figure this one out. I read your Anavar diary thread, and you didn;t seem to be gaining much strength or weight. Your weight shouldn;t fluctuate too much, but were you significantly stronger at the last week of cycle?
Were you tracking your bf%?

bro...i dont know what happened... towards the end of my cycle... i was levelling off...which is why i decided to end it. i was fine up till the last day. in the past few days of pct ... my weight has come down to 197. my diet is up, my training is up. i havent measured my bf percentage but all the fat i have is in my midesection and i dont feel any trimmer there. even so... 5 pounds of fat... i would have noticed. what i do notice is my arms are a lil smaller than friday...and is the width of my shoulders... this may be all mental and part of coming off a cycle... but the scale cant lie can it!

dont get me wrong...i got good results from the cycle.. i got cut, dropped alot of body fat and my arms are super cut. i'm jus saying, 5lb drop in 5 days of pct and that too off an anavar cycle seems a little harsh... just was looking for some input from u guys to see if i was doing anything wrong?

[IBdmfkr]

What's your weight at today? Did you water intake or food intake difference in the last few days etc?

[MAXIMA5]

More definition is a good thing. And I'll bet you made a dent in the midsection fat, even though you may not think so.
Next time use the Var to supplement some Test and you'll keep more muscle.

[Taurus]

What's your weight at today? Did you water intake or food intake difference in the last few days etc?

i weigh myself every morning before eating. my food and water intake has gone up if anything.

[Taurus]

More definition is a good thing. And I'll bet you made a dent in the midsection fat, even though you may not think so.
Next time use the Var to supplement some Test and you'll keep more muscle.

i guess. i was pretty happy with the results until this happened. wasnt expected. i thought i wouldnt crash at all as everyone on here seems to think var is mild on the hpta. i guess we're all different.

[Taurus]

i'm into the 10th day of pct, and my weight is now at 1951bs. so, i've lost a further 2 pounds. Thats a total of 7 pounds in 10 days of pct off a var only cycle. what the hell is going on. and no, its not fat, i would have known!

i feel smaller. i dont feel as thick. my gym clothes dont fit me like they did 2 weeks ago.

what am i doing wrong. i cut the training back during pct like people suggest from 5 days a week to 4 days a week. i have started eating more.

the only thing i can think is that its the clen eating away at fat... which is the cause of loss of weight. but i'm doing no cardio as i am still on pct and i dont want to eat into muscle. i was planning on starting the cardio back at the end of pct so that my body would be back to normal! can the clen still be burning fat during pct with no cardio?

[IronAdam]

can the clen still be burning fat during pct with no cardio?

With the proper diet, yes. As long as your strength doesn't go down too much I wouldn't sweat the weight loss. How long were you on the var? At what dose? What dose are you running the clen at? How much water are you drinking?

[Taurus]

i was on var for about 12 weeks @ 75mged. (it was originallu intended for 8 weeks, but i didnt notice strangth gains until week 6... i had no side effects up till then and decided to run it an extra 4 weeks). the clen i started last week with pct. i'm up to 180mcg. tons of water i'm drinking. byt the morning... i'm dry as a dessert. i eat a lot of food... by morning time.. i feel so weak and empty!

[Taurus]

193lbs. Dropped a further 2lbs. this is getting ridiculous. i know its muscle mass because my gym shirts dont fit even close to what they did 2 weeks ago.

what am i doing wrong? i dont get it. this has ruined the whole cycle. wtf!

[IBdmfkr]

It's gotta be your diet, post it up! That is pretty insane.

[muscularmodel]

anavar will influence the HPTA at that dose and length. Clomid would make me lose that much weight if I took it for pct or for fun because of the horrible sides.

[Taurus]

this is my diet:

9:00 weetabix
prtn shake

11:am chicken breast sandwich (wholewheat bread)

1pm tuna sandwich

3pm tuna sandwich

5pm prtn shake

7pm tuna sandwich

9pm 2 chicken breasts

11pm prtn shake + efa's.

i get an average of 250g prtn, 200g of carbs and 75 grams of fat.

this was my cutting diet... and this is pretty much the same diet on pct with a little extra cheating every now and then.

is it wrong?

[Taurus]

anavar will influence the HPTA at that dose and length. Clomid would make me lose that much weight if I took it for pct or for fun because of the horrible sides.

i've taken clomid before... the only side i got was tiredness. i kept most of my gains last time.

[Taurus]

bump

[IBdmfkr]

this is my diet:

9:00 weetabix
prtn shake

11:am chicken breast sandwich (wholewheat bread)

1pm tuna sandwich

3pm tuna sandwich

5pm prtn shake

7pm tuna sandwich

9pm 2 chicken breasts

11pm prtn shake + efa's.

i get an average of 250g prtn, 200g of carbs and 75 grams of fat.

this was my cutting diet... and this is pretty much the same diet on pct with a little extra cheating every now and then.

is it wrong?

Too much fish in your diet IMO. Also, you are getting minimal calories. I'd lose hell of weight off that diet too. Try and figure out your maintainance calories and try to get better complex carbs in your diet besides bread. This isn't a muscle building diet from the looks of it.
Your training may be off as well, check out the diet/training forums.

[Taurus]

my weight is now down to 190lbs. thats a drop of 12lbs in 13 days of pct.

i was on a cutting cycle... which is why i had that diet. now on pct, my diet is more than what is written above. i get minimum of 250g prtn a day... thats a minimum... so i shouldnt be losing muscle. i have done pct before, and eaten similarly... and i have never lost more than 2-3 lbs.

the only difference in this pct is that i'm using syrup clen and not tablet form clen. maybe i'm losing fat... but honestly, i cant see it.

i know people who have never done pct after an anavar cycle and have been able to maintain most of their gains.

i honestly dont know whats happening. i know i'm not shut down cuz i get a stiffy every morning, and my sex drive is there. i dont know what to do now!

[MAXIMA5]

Maybe you're test is back but you're depleting all of the necessary estrogen with the pct?
Just a theory. This is baffling, bro. Do you feel more solid that you did before.
I can;t understand how you're lighter than before cycle.

[Taurus]

Maybe you're test is back but you're depleting all of the necessary estrogen with the pct?
Just a theory. This is baffling, bro. Do you feel more solid that you did before.
I can;t understand how you're lighter than before cycle.

i'm not as solid as i was 2 weeks ago. and i'm not as big either because my gym shirts dont fit nearly as tight. just like u.... i'm truly baffled!

[IBdmfkr]

You're on a calorie deficient diet and your body is in a catabolic state, simple eat more calories (protein, complex carbs specifically) to keep your weight.

[MAXIMA5]

You're on a calorie deficient diet and your body is in a catabolic state, simple eat more calories (protein, complex carbs specifically) to keep your weight.

This is probably the key, unless you were eating like that when you were 202lbs.

[Taurus]

This is probably the key, unless you were eating like that when you were 202lbs.

i'm eating more now then when i was on cycle. i know i get my mainatanance calories in. i get a minimum of 2500k a day. thats a minimum. i shouldnt be losing weight on 2500k a day and no cardio. i know this because i have done it before... and been fine.