Final Cycle Revision Critique!!!

[A&FGuy]

Week
1-15 Test E 750mg EW
1-14 EQ 600mg EW
1-9 Tren A 75 or 100mg ED
2-9 Masteron 50mg ED
1-4 Test Prop 100mg ED
12-17 Winstrol 50mg ED

PCT: Nolva/Clomid/HCG

Stats: 6'1" 192 BF% 7

Compounds used: Test E, Deca, Tren A

Any adivice would be greatly appreciated.

[taiotosh7]

are you in competition?

[New Juice]

You need to run test 3 weeks past EQ...run your Test E the same then run Prop for 2 weeks after the test E that way you can start PCT right away...also push the winny back to 9-15that way it matches up w/ your test and you can get on PCT right away

[LatinoPR]

I like it...be safe...! let us know of any progres...

[Liftnainez]

You need to run test 3 weeks past EQ...run your Test E the same then run Prop for 2 weeks after the test E that way you can start PCT right away...also push the winny back to 9-15that way it matches up w/ your test and you can get on PCT right away

i agree.. run the test p after the test e so that it will be run with the winny and pct times will match up.. good luck bro seems like a real nice cycle..

[trulbfan3]

everything seems to check out. looks like a good cycle but i agree w/ the prop at the end with the winny so pct times match up

[silvernblack]

is this cycle more for cutting or bulking?

[BlInDsIdE]

what cycle is this 4u?? IMO there is no need for that many compounds or that much gear at ur stats and assuming u've only used deca tren a and test e b4.....

[A&FGuy]

REVISED:

Week
1-15 Test E 750mg EW
1-14 EQ 600mg EW
1-9 Tren A 75mg ED
1-8 Masteron 50mg ED
1-4 Test Prop 100mg ED
11-16 Winstrol 50mg ED
15-17 Test Prop 100mg ED

PCT: Nolva/Clomid/HCG

Stats: 6'1" 192 BF% 7

Another question I have is would it be beneficial for me to do mast in the beginning like that? Could i take out the winny at the end or would i bloat back up from the test after i get done with the tren and mast?

[Swifto]

How many cycles have you done? What is this one? What dosages have you used before?

[Swifto]

REVISED:

Week
1-15 Test E 750mg EW
1-14 EQ 600mg EW
1-9 Tren A 75mg ED
1-8 Masteron 50mg ED
1-4 Test Prop 100mg ED
11-16 Winstrol 50mg ED
15-17 Test Prop 100mg ED

PCT: Nolva/Clomid/HCG

Stats: 6'1" 192 BF% 7

Another question I have is would it be beneficial for me to do mast in the beginning like that? Could i take out the winny at the end or would i bloat back up from the test after i get done with the tren and mast?

Please layout your PCT protocol?

[A&FGuy]

I know its alot of compounds, 2 that i have never used before and I just realized how rediculous that is and that if something goes wrong im not gonna be able to know what compound is making that happen. So ive decided to bump it down a bit.

Week
1-15 Test E 750mg EW
1-14 EQ 600mg EW
1-9 Tren A 75mg ED
1-8 Masteron 50mg ED
1-4 Test Prop 100mg ED

PCT:
Nolva: 10mg ED During Cycle and 20mg ED once clomid starts.
Clomid: (starts 10 days after my last Test E shot)
day 1 300mg
day 2-11 100mg ed
day 12-21 50 mg ed
HCG: 300-500iu every 3-5 days up until 1 week before clomid.

[Swifto]

I know its alot of compounds, 2 that i have never used before and I just realized how rediculous that is and that if something goes wrong im not gonna be able to know what compound is making that happen. So ive decided to bump it down a bit.

Week
1-15 Test E 750mg EW
1-14 EQ 600mg EW
1-9 Tren A 75mg ED
1-8 Masteron 50mg ED
1-4 Test Prop 100mg ED

PCT:
Nolva: 10mg ED During Cycle and 20mg ED once clomid starts.
Clomid: (starts 10 days after my last Test E shot)
day 1 300mg
day 2-11 100mg ed
day 12-21 50 mg ed
HCG: 300-500iu every 3-5 days up until 1 week before clomid.

PCT begins 14 days after last Test Enan shot, not 10 days, Enanthae has an active life of 14 days.

I'd drop the Tren A and just run the Masteron. For weeks 1-8, then the Test Enan/EQ will begin to kick in. Something like:

wk 1-15 Test Enan 750mg/wk
wk 1-14 EQ 600mg/wk
wk 1-8 Test Prop 100mg/ED
wk 1-8 Masterone 50mg/ED
OR
wk 1-8 Tren A 50mg/ED adjusting the dose accordingly, comapring gains/sides.

Then maybe bring Test Prop back for the final 3-4 weeks leading to PCT.

[BajanBastard]

Why would you drop the masteron swift?

[A&FGuy]

I took 50mg ED of tren this past cycle for 8 weeks and go descent gains with no sides at all. (thats why its bumped up to 75ED) But dont you think i should run tren instead of mast, for gaines?

[A&FGuy]

That is if i was only gonna run 1 of them and not both, i dont see why not both?

[New Juice]

I know its alot of compounds, 2 that i have never used before and I just realized how rediculous that is and that if something goes wrong im not gonna be able to know what compound is making that happen. So ive decided to bump it down a bit.

Week
1-15 Test E 750mg EW
1-14 EQ 600mg EW
1-9 Tren A 75mg ED
1-8 Masteron 50mg ED
1-4 Test Prop 100mg ED

PCT:
Nolva: 10mg ED During Cycle and 20mg ED once clomid starts.
Clomid: (starts 10 days after my last Test E shot)
day 1 300mg
day 2-11 100mg ed
day 12-21 50 mg ed
HCG: 300-500iu every 3-5 days up until 1 week before clomid.

You still should run prop on weeks 16-17 so you have a test ran 3 weeks after your EQ and you can start your pct asap....getting rid of winny was a good move....you are new to the prop which chances are you won't have any bad sides to, it's a pretty straight foward compound, and then the mast will be a new experience...

And you answer your question swift this is meant to be a lean mass cutting cycle...wants to put on some weight but get ripped and hard...just keeping the convo going

[A&FGuy]

Week
1-15 Test E 750mg EW
1-14 EQ 600mg EW
1-9 Tren A 75mg ED
1-8 Masteron 50mg ED
1-4 Test Prop 100mg ED
16-17 Test Prop 100mg ED

PCT:
Nolva: 10mg ED During Cycle and 20mg ED once clomid starts.
Clomid: (starts 14 days after my last Test E shot)
day 1 300mg
day 2-11 100mg ed
day 12-21 50 mg ed
HCG: 300-500iu every 3-5 days up until 1 week before clomid.

[shadyadam]

That’s a pretty impressive cycle my friend! Good luck! Also I’m pretty pleased on how you have it laid out, you WILL get great gains on it I’m sure!

[taiboxa]

for your stats/age i think its WAY over kill and your using juice to make up for diet/training JMHO and good luck w/ it

[Swifto]

Why would you drop the masteron swift?

I just feel its a bit much, considering his age and cycle experience. Its a fiar bit of AS...I'd go for Tren OR Masteron.

[taiboxa]

I just feel its a bit much, considering his age and cycle experience. Its a fiar bit of AS...I'd go for Tren OR Masteron.

hell i think a tren/test cycle would suffice him just fine.

[Swifto]

hell i think a tren/test cycle would suffice him just fine.

At 192lbs at 7% I dont think all that AS at those dosages is required.

I'm 190.4lbs at 6.5% and on 500mg/wk Test Enan, Tbol 60mg/ED and ending with Test Prop 50-75mg/ED. I know people vary a lot, but I'm on no where near that much AS with as many compounds....

[taiboxa]

At 192lbs at 7% I dont think all that AS at those dosages is required.

I'm 190.4lbs at 6.5% and on 500mg/wk Test Enan, Tbol 60mg/ED and ending with Test Prop 50-75mg/ED. I know people vary a lot, but I'm on no where near that much AS with as many compounds....

yes and he is 6'1 as well .. i just tired of seeing people utilize gear when they should be perfecting diet/training regiment .. im starting to get a lil pissy about it and i think it is starting to show ><

i just got a call today.. some kid wants to run dbol/win for 8 weeks at same time LOL he is a retard and a newbie... im just so sick of it ><

[Swifto]

I think we'll agree there is too many threads with unexperienced users with 2-3 cycles under their belt wanting to run 750mg/wk Test, Tren 100mg/ED, Deca 600mg/wk etc...Simply not needed.

May be worth a thread?! I feel a RANT coming on!

No offence 'A&F Guy'.

[taiboxa]

I think we'll agree there is too many threads with unexperienced users with 2-3 cycles under their belt wanting to run 750mg/wk Test, Tren 100mg/ED, Deca 600mg/wk etc...Simply not needed.

May be worth a thread?! I feel a RANT coming on!

No offence 'A&F Guy'.

dood if u rant everytime this issue comes up .. THERE WILL BE NO OHTER POSTS BUT RANTS ><

[Swifto]

dood if u rant everytime this issue comes up .. THERE WILL BE NO OHTER POSTS BUT RANTS ><

True...

[New Juice]

this is a very heavy cycle....not needed probally but he is looking for crazy results in a short time, youth at it's best but hey to each his own....

start your pct 3 days after that last prop shot on 14 days after test e.

[A&FGuy]

Close to finalized!!!

Week
1-17 Prop 100mg ED
1-14 EQ 600mg EW
1-9 Tren A 75mg ED
1-8 Masteron 50mg ED

PCT:
Nolva: 10mg ED During Cycle and 20mg ED once clomid starts.
Arimidex: .25 During Cycle
Clomid: (starts 3 days after my last Prop shot)
day 1 300mg
day 2-11 100mg ed
day 12-21 50 mg ed
HCG: 300-500iu every 3-5 days up until 1 week before clomid.

[sizzlechest]

Here is what i would do. Its would be just as effective and much cheaper. Keep the eq and test the same except run the test for 1 week extra. Start with Dbol for weeks 1-4 to kickstart and end it with 50mg winny weeks 11-17.
Just my $0.02!!!!

[A&FGuy]

Money doesnt matter

[New Juice]

you would say that pretty boy

[Rob]

errr...

thats still a pretty hefty cycle, why not do a low dose test if ur gonna do anything..all those compounds is just retarded