Too much for a first cycle?

[lowep3]

I am looking to start a first cycle and need to know if my cycle plans are too much. Right now I am 5'10" 193 pounds pretty solid and I'm benching 225, 14times. Not exactly sure on body fat, but I've been lifting solid for a year, and on and off for 4 years. Here is what I have planned...


WEEK 1- 6: Dianabol 30mg Every Day
WEEK 1- 8: Deca Durabolin 400mg Per Week
WEEK 1- 8: Testosterone Enanthate 750mg Per Week
WEEK 1-10: Arimidex 0.25mg Every Day
WEEK 1-10: Pregnyl (HCG) 300-500iu Every 4-5 Days

WEEK 11: 40mg Nolva/100mg Clomid Every Day
WEEK 12: 30mg Nolva/50mg Clomid Every Day
WEEK 13: 20mg Nolva/50mg Clomid Every Day

[soccer#3]

yeah i think it sounds a lil too much, but thats just me.. u wanna ease ur way into it, not rush

good luck

[SMAN12b]

How old are you? Sounds a bit heavy for a first cycle after only one year of solid training. Stick around here and read read read.... Don't Rush into AAS
Good Luck Bro

[lowep3]

How old are you? Sounds a bit heavy for a first cycle after only one year of solid training. Stick around here and read read read.... Don't Rush into AAS
Good Luck Bro

I'm 20. If I was to cut down the Test to 500mg per week or just eliminate it from my cycle fo you think it would be a good starter?

Thanx for the help btw.

[Bratty4him]

I'm 20. If I was to cut down the Test to 500mg per week or just eliminate it from my cycle fo you think it would be a good starter?

Thanx for the help btw.

There are many threads on this topic if you do a search. Test only is your best bet. 8 weeks is not long enough IMO

[mr. snakes]

I am looking to start a first cycle and need to know if my cycle plans are too much. Right now I am 5'10" 193 pounds pretty solid and I'm benching 225, 14times. Not exactly sure on body fat, but I've been lifting solid for a year, and on and off for 4 years. Here is what I have planned...


WEEK 1- 6: Dianabol 30mg Every Day
WEEK 1- 8: Deca Durabolin 400mg Per Week
WEEK 1- 8: Testosterone Enanthate 750mg Per Week
WEEK 1-10: Arimidex 0.25mg Every Day
WEEK 1-10: Pregnyl (HCG) 300-500iu Every 4-5 Days

WEEK 11: 40mg Nolva/100mg Clomid Every Day
WEEK 12: 30mg Nolva/50mg Clomid Every Day
WEEK 13: 20mg Nolva/50mg Clomid Every Day

WEEK 1- 4: Dianabol 30mg Every Day
WEEK 1- 10: Deca Durabolin 300mg Per Week
WEEK 1- 12: Testosterone Enanthate 500 mg Per Week

[C_Bino]

WEEK 1- 4: Dianabol 30mg Every Day
WEEK 1- 10: Deca Durabolin 300mg Per Week
WEEK 1- 12: Testosterone Enanthate 500 mg Per Week

Why would you give this advice? Also why is it that you give such horrible advice and then never even offer the member an explanation as to why you suggest it?

[C_Bino]

Lowep3 as for the cycle I truly believe its too much for your first. You will be able to make great gains on Test alone. Think of it this way, if you use 3 compounds first, then your gonna use four next etc etc. STarting with one you can maximize the gains you make while not having to use as many compounds, this will save you injections, sides and money.

[lowep3]

Lowep3 as for the cycle I truly believe its too much for your first. You will be able to make great gains on Test alone. Think of it this way, if you use 3 compounds first, then your gonna use four next etc etc. STarting with one you can maximize the gains you make while not having to use as many compounds, this will save you injections, sides and money.

For it being my first cycle what do you think would be a good dosage? Would something like 500mg of test enanthate per week for 10-12 weeks be good? I was also thinking about using the dianabol at 30mg ed for 4 weeks as a jump start, is that a good idea since it's only a first cycle? Thanks for you help.

[BajanBastard]

Lowep3 as for the cycle I truly believe its too much for your first. You will be able to make great gains on Test alone. Think of it this way, if you use 3 compounds first, then your gonna use four next etc etc. STarting with one you can maximize the gains you make while not having to use as many compounds, this will save you injections, sides and money.

I agree that he can run test alone and get great results but i don't agree that if he runs three compounds now he'll need to run more the next time.

[JDogg]

Jesus christ you should start making it a requirement to have at least 50 posts in a newbie forum before being allowed to post here, I am sickof reading these silly "Yo first cycle tren 700mgED and Deca 1000MG EOD is that good" threads.

The AR Vets' patience is admirable

[lowep3]

Jesus christ you should start making it a requirement to have at least 50 posts in a newbie forum before being allowed to post here, I am sickof reading these silly "Yo first cycle tren 700mgED and Deca 1000MG EOD is that good" threads.

The AR Vets' patience is admirable

Listen dude, I'm not talking about tren which is taken in a lot smaller doses. My highest dose was test E at 750mg and that's the only thing I was really wondering about. For a first cycle 500mg of test is normal so I was seeing if it's possible to run 750mg per week. My question wasn't that out of line, but I think you posting up like an asshole was out of line. I understand they get questions like this all the time and I have searched this forum a lot and it has answered most of my questions. It just goes to show why he's a mod and you're not.

Now back to my question, since I have been told by C Bino to take a test only cycle first would it be ok to take 30mg ed to kick start my cycle?

[BajanBastard]

Yeah, i see no prob with that.

[lowep3]

Yeah, i see no prob with that.

Alright, thanks man!

[ru35]

Weeks 1-12 500 mg/wk of Test E
Weeks 1-4 30 mg/ed of Dbol

You'll get swollen on this cycle for your first.

[C_Bino]

I agree that he can run test alone and get great results but i don't agree that if he runs three compounds now he'll need to run more the next time.

You're the boss...

[BajanBastard]

You're the boss...

As long as you know

[SVTMuscle*]

Keep it nice and simple to start off man, your young

Test E 400mg/week for 10 weeks

bam, thats all you need, cheap, effective, and easy


not including PCt of course

[Xprime]

that is one nice first cycle, u will love it. go for it.

[BGMKE7]

listen,
if you are going to run the dbol then run it straight through with the test.dont get into this jump start crap.look.........if you drop the dbol then to keep gaining you will have to increase the test so if your heart is set on doing it this way this is what you want to do then.weeks 1-4 dbol 30mg/day with weeks 1-4 test enanthate 750mg/wk.drop the dbol then increase test enanthate weeks 4-12 to 1g/wk.now that im looking at this(considering its your first cycle) start the test at 500mg/wk 1-4,with dbol 30mg/day 1-4.drop dbol,then increase test to 750mg/wk 4-12.....................personally i would start dbol at 20mg/day wks 1-6 with test at 500mg/wk 1-6.then increase dbol to 40mg/day wks 6-12 and increase test to 750mg/wk wks 6-12.after this start your PCT.
later


if someone disagrees please back it up with experience.not oh,man you will die bla,bla,bla.

[Kale]

listen,
if you are going to run the dbol then run it straight through with the test.dont get into this jump start crap.look.........if you drop the dbol then to keep gaining you will have to increase the test so if your heart is set on doing it this way this is what you want to do then.weeks 1-4 dbol 30mg/day with weeks 1-4 test enanthate 750mg/wk.drop the dbol then increase test enanthate weeks 4-12 to 1g/wk.now that im looking at this(considering its your first cycle) start the test at 500mg/wk 1-4,with dbol 30mg/day 1-4.drop dbol,then increase test to 750mg/wk 4-12.....................personally i would start dbol at 20mg/day wks 1-6 with test at 500mg/wk 1-6.then increase dbol to 40mg/day wks 6-12 and increase test to 750mg/wk wks 6-12.after this start your PCT.
later


if someone disagrees please back it up with experience.not oh,man you will die bla,bla,bla.

So what experience do you have to back up what you are saying pray tell ?

[SVTMuscle*]

listen,
if you are going to run the dbol then run it straight through with the test.dont get into this jump start crap.look.........if you drop the dbol then to keep gaining you will have to increase the test so if your heart is set on doing it this way this is what you want to do then.weeks 1-4 dbol 30mg/day with weeks 1-4 test enanthate 750mg/wk.drop the dbol then increase test enanthate weeks 4-12 to 1g/wk.now that im looking at this(considering its your first cycle) start the test at 500mg/wk 1-4,with dbol 30mg/day 1-4.drop dbol,then increase test to 750mg/wk 4-12.....................personally i would start dbol at 20mg/day wks 1-6 with test at 500mg/wk 1-6.then increase dbol to 40mg/day wks 6-12 and increase test to 750mg/wk wks 6-12.after this start your PCT.
later


if someone disagrees please back it up with experience.not oh,man you will die bla,bla,bla.

hahah I'll let the vet's take care of that one

[Rizmon]

I Wont Say Anything Becuz Im Jus A "newbie"

[Kale]

I Wont Say Anything Becuz Im Jus A "newbie"

If thats you in your avatar you can say all you want, and just because your new to AR doesnt mean your new to juice !!!!

[Ufa]

Keep it nice and simple to start off man, your young

Test E 400mg/week for 10 weeks

bam, thats all you need, cheap, effective, and easy


not including PCt of course

This guy has the best advice.......... First cycle should be test alone.
This is Standard Operating Procedure...

[SMAN12b]

Do the test, all the test, and nothing but the test!! (500/wk is plenty for first) Save the D-bol for your next cycle after you see what gains you made from JUST THE TEST !! and DON'T do ANYTHING until you have your entire PCT on hand and keep reading here!!

[Rizmon]

Thats Way To Much Dbol And Test For A First Cycle .... My First Cycle Was 1 Shot Sust Wit One Shot Of Deca 300 A Week I Gained 40 Pounds U Hafta Remeber The Juice Wont Do Everythin U Need To Eat And Train Properly... Imo Test Is All U Need But Do Pyarmid Dont Take The Same Amount The Whole Way Threw 12 Weeks Wit Test E And Some Pct.....
Start Week 1-4 250 Mg A Week Week 4-10 500mg Then Back Down To 250mg Its Your First Time Ur Receptors Are Completely Empty Eat Good And Train Hard With Proper Rest

[Kale]

Pyramiding is old school IMO and leaves you open to to many sides because of the fluctuations in Test levels it can cause. Better to stick with the same dose all the way through

[cfiler]

Do the test, all the test, and nothing but the test!! (500/wk is plenty for first) Save the D-bol for your next cycle after you see what gains you made from JUST THE TEST !! and DON'T do ANYTHING until you have your entire PCT on hand and keep reading here!!

Yup. 500mgs of test is more than enough for a first cycle.

Best beginer cycle is 200-500mgs of test weekly, with proper PCT.

[SVTMuscle*]

This guy has the best advice.......... First cycle should be test alone.
This is Standard Operating Procedure...

thats what im talking about

[taiboxa]

listen,
if you are going to run the dbol then run it straight through with the test.dont get into this jump start crap.look.........if you drop the dbol then to keep gaining you will have to increase the test so if your heart is set on doing it this way this is what you want to do then.weeks 1-4 dbol 30mg/day with weeks 1-4 test enanthate 750mg/wk.drop the dbol then increase test enanthate weeks 4-12 to 1g/wk.now that im looking at this(considering its your first cycle) start the test at 500mg/wk 1-4,with dbol 30mg/day 1-4.drop dbol,then increase test to 750mg/wk 4-12.....................personally i would start dbol at 20mg/day wks 1-6 with test at 500mg/wk 1-6.then increase dbol to 40mg/day wks 6-12 and increase test to 750mg/wk wks 6-12.after this start your PCT.
later



if someone disagrees please back it up with experience.not oh,man you will die bla,bla,bla.

first i would like to say if your going to increase the dose of TestE/C fallowing the disuse of dbol then thats great! sounds logical right? WRONG.. its a longer ester by the time u get your blood levels STABLE (due to its long halflife- it will stack on its self increasing the amount of exogenous test in the system, meaning it will always be a flux inducing more sides) you will be stopping testE and starting pct.

if he is going to "RAMP" it up after he finished dbol, then Prop or PhenylProp will be more ideal.

i dont cycle like most and i run pretty retarded protocols as far as "cycling" goes but i will say yes u can run dbol for 12 weeks and be fine as long as your at a relatively low dose (please dont try this on my account i dont wanna be responsible for some tard running 100mg DBol for 12 weeks ending up w/ hepatitis). but the soul purpose of dbol as far as most are concerned is to use it to jumpstart for 5-6weeks this lets exogenous test levels reach their peak, plateau and they can rely on test for the rest of their gains (just because it is plateaued doesnt mean u cant gain off high test levels hell u have like 15times more test than average horny teen). As they become more experienced, have BLOOD WORK DONE (i do MANY MANY TIMES during the year), and learn their bodies- sure let them do what they will, but around here we try to keep it LOGICALLY SAFE. If he wants to run an oral all the way through let him pick a less hepatoxic one i.e. var.

another note is that dbol at 20mg usually does just about enough to make me break out w/ a zit or 2 which seems to be the common trend as well as the usual nitrogen balance,anabolic state- blah blah blah but he is also running test mind you. So if he is going to tax his liver w/ a 17aa i say run it at a high enough dose to acquire some decent gains then MOVE ON FROM THEIR.
YES contrary to belief DBOL dose produce KEEPABLE GAINS.. not just water :ha:

[RobbieG]

You're the boss...

My totally first of first cycle was Dbol at 15 mg a day, before sleep.

I´ve NEVER seen as much gains in 5 weeks, I was 62 kilos ( i got into a car accident and lied in hospital for 4 months) and got 78 kilos


i got in that accident 1 january, got out around late Marc, probably 20 or something,

worked out for 6-8 months with my specialty trainer and got into really good shape, my cardio was friggin awesome but I weighted 62 kg wich is like 115 lbs or some really low, in Oktober i started using dianabol 5 mg tabs for 15 mg a day, eating the best tasting protein drink i've used, and still drinking MLO Mus-L-blast, I've tried many others, nitrotech, EAS, labrada etc.. but MLO has the best tasting.

I drank like 3-4 doses of Musl-L-blast, used 15 mg dianabol before sleep and MY god, 20 kilos are like 35 lbs.

I lost 8 kilos of this 5 week "cycle", but I got shape that I've never been able to get into.

Why do people use 50, maby 100 mg of Dbol when you can get ridiculus results from low dosage, Now I'm not just saying, but I think that maby 60 % of all steroid abusers are using to much for to short time

I saw someone her a few weeks ago who wanted to use 200 mg deca EOD for 8 weeks with 100 mg Test ED for 10 weeks, along with Anadrol or dbol to jumpstart (but he was planning for 5 or 6 weeks, can´t remember the dose)and that was his second cycle

I mean, wth ?, I think this is what get roids the bad reps, these stupid mother..

"..I am looking to start a first cycle and need to know if my cycle plans are too much. Right now I am 5'10" 193 pounds pretty solid and I'm benching 225, 14times. Not exactly sure on body fat, but I've been lifting solid for a year, and on and off for 4 years. Here is what I have planned..."

Why not just read, deca is minimum IMO (I mean, I've read about results, users etc..) 12 weeks, Test should be switched from different kind of ester to adjust more to it, remember esters are the things that control release time.

And why use dbol for 30 mg for 6 weeks, why not just eat the god ol' majo while you're at it ?, the gains from that would stick longer.




(dbol at 15 to 20 mg will give you enough for your cycle, I mean, you are in a good shape, and it will help, but sust250 alone will give you really good results and sex drive, and tag along will be higher self-esteem)

[RobbieG]

But by the way,

it IS nice to see someone with a proper PCT, give this man respect for that atleast

[BGMKE7]

WELL,PRAY TELL
lets see.i have 13yrs of exp and i have gone from 160 pounds at age 18yrs to now being 280 at 31 yrs old.bro,dont be a smartass cause i dont have alot of posts.you are way off base here.you say you 2 cycles of exp of steroids.well i have spent more time doing research then you have being on steroids.i do know alittle bit here so back off with that attitude.its that kind of crap that keeps me from posting.
later

[BGMKE7]

damn bro,
you have 2500 posts.you must know way more then me.yeah,,,let the vets handle me................

[Xprime]

damn bro,
you have 2500 posts.you must know way more then me.yeah,,,let the vets handle me................

ROFLMGDMFAO = rolling on the floor laughing my god damn mother fu(king ass off

[Gra]

WELL,PRAY TELL
lets see.i have 13yrs of exp and i have gone from 160 pounds at age 18yrs to now being 280 at 31 yrs old.bro,dont be a smartass cause i dont have alot of posts.you are way off base here.you say you 2 cycles of exp of steroids.well i have spent more time doing research then you have being on steroids.i do know alittle bit here so back off with that attitude.its that kind of crap that keeps me from posting.
later

Sorry to say it doesn`t look like you got alot of exp..

[taiboxa]

Sorry to say it doesn`t look like you got alot of exp..

Just because he doesnt fallow "Board Stereotypes" doesnt mean he dosent have alot of knowledge or experience.

[1buffsob]

Very true, but the advice to up the test dosage after he discontinues d-bol makes no sense. If it was prop, then yeah.

1buffsob

[Gra]

Just because he doesnt fallow "Board Stereotypes" doesnt mean he dosent have alot of knowledge or experience.

Still doesn`t look like it IMO. Could be just because I never seen a cycle looking like that before. Do you think his cycle setup was a good one?