why cant u consume carb and fat in one meal

[russia dog]

i was told not to consume carb and fat in one meal due to some insulin respone
however if the carb is low in gi, it shouldnm't be a conflict?

[SwoleCat]

Man that's hard to read!

Carbs/fats together in a meal is a practice that people experiment with in bulking/cutting to see what they can get away with. I'm a proponent of pairing macros in a certain manner myself especially when coupled with specific activity, but everyone has their own outlook on it.

~SC~

[dbstyles]

The last month on this board has really opened me up to this idea and I have been trying the pairing of macros with success in my body composition change that I am looking for – reduce body fat, increase lean muscle.

From what I understand, and please correct me if I am wrong mods/vets, that by separating them when cutting you give your body the fuel to run with the fat or carb and the protein for growth or repair. If you combine the fat and carb, the body uses one and stores the other. Of course there is MUCH more to the theory than that, but that would be the approach in understanding the principal behind it.

[Giants11]

The last month on this board has really opened me up to this idea and I have been trying the pairing of macros with success in my body composition change that I am looking for – reduce body fat, increase lean muscle.

From what I understand, and please correct me if I am wrong mods/vets, that by separating them when cutting you give your body the fuel to run with the fat or carb and the protein for growth or repair. If you combine the fat and carb, the body uses one and stores the other. Of course there is MUCH more to the theory than that, but that would be the approach in understanding the principal behind it.

The body uses all systems at all times, it will never just select one macro to use. Also glucose is the preffered fuel of many important sytems in the body. It has more to do with insulin and LPL levels than the above.

[dbstyles]

OK, gotcha - need to do some more back post searches

[dbstyles]

http://home.howstuffworks.com/food2.htm
Read through this a bit and other sources as well... So I am starting to get a better understanding of how and why when changing body composition, it is important to regulate insulin and hormone levels through food and the combination of certain macros. Some reason my mind keeps wanting to make the simple things hard and the complex things simple...I am also getting that there is really no way anyone can tell be why, I have to UNDERSTAND why, people here will offer opinions based upon their understanding of truths and facts and their experience off applying theory.

[russia dog]

Whoa! very confusing

[bcap]

This is the way I see it, again like db said, correct me if I am incorrect.

When you eat carbs, your insulin spikes (all relative to the GI of the carb), but either way, your insulin will spike. If you consume fats in the same meal, you are at a higher risk (because your insulin is spiked) to have that fat stored as fat instead of used for energy.

Hows this sound? Definetly could be wrong and there is more in depth stuff that I am not aware of, but this is what I understand to be the basis of it.

Hope I helped a bit.

Bryan

[1buffsob]

Even a low gi carb like oats will get an insulin response. Hell, even pure protein will do that. But IMO, you have a higher propensity for fat storage when you mix fats and carbs (even low GI carbs) and should be avoided when possible. I just wouldn't take the risk, no matter how low it might be, when cutting. But throwing a scoop of natty pb in my oats/whey everyonce in a while when bulking is fine for me. Moderation is key though.

1buffsob

[bcap]

So wait Kyle, it sounds like I kinda made sense when i responded. YES! I'm learning lol.

Yeah my pre-bed meal consists of ff cc and anpb, now that is KIND of mixing fat/carb, but its not so bad. It's a good pre-bed meal, gives your body some good nutrients to work off of throughout the night.

[sooners04]

Don't forget that even a pro/fat meal with illicit an insulin response as well, not just pro/carb.

[russia dog]

Don't forget that even a pro/fat meal with illicit an insulin response as well, not just pro/carb.

insulin response and insulin spike is very different..... insulin response from low gi carb are actually growth factors, i did research on gi.. i don't see why consuming low gi carb with fat will increase risk of storing fat

[russia dog]

This is the way I see it, again like db said, correct me if I am incorrect.

When you eat carbs, your insulin spikes (all relative to the GI of the carb), but either way, your insulin will spike. If you consume fats in the same meal, you are at a higher risk (because your insulin is spiked) to have that fat stored as fat instead of used for energy.

Hows this sound? Definetly could be wrong and there is more in depth stuff that I am not aware of, but this is what I understand to be the basis of it.

Hope I helped a bit.

Bryan

previous post = wrong quote, i meant to quote this one

[bcap]

yes but with ANY carb, there is an insulin spike, moreso than there woudl be with protein or fat, so if you consume fat with your insulin spike, you have a higher chance of that fat being stored as fat on your body

[novastepp]

yes but with ANY carb, there is an insulin spike, moreso than there woudl be with protein or fat, so if you consume fat with your insulin spike, you have a higher chance of that fat being stored as fat on your body

it isnt a spike necessarily, just a response. a response will most likely come from a lowGI source.

[spittin' 'n cussin']

there is some good posts in this thread but most of you are talking out your ass. dont overanalyze this shit. youre burning lean muscle stressing about this when you know what foods are ok to eat together and what arent. not one meal that works for one guy will for sure work for another so take another bite of sweet potato and chicken breast and get in the gym, later

[trin2getswole]

do your research

[steve0]

[QUOTE=1buffsob]Even a low gi carb like oats will get an insulin response. Hell, even pure protein will do that. But IMO, you have a higher propensity for fat storage when you mix fats and carbs (even low GI carbs) and should be avoided when possible. I just wouldn't take the risk, no matter how low it might be, when cutting. But throwing a scoop of natty pb in my oats/whey everyonce in a while when bulking is fine for me. Moderation is key though.

1buffsob[/QUOTGood one buffsod. iv keep mine separated for years except cjest day it all goes down try to limit ur fat in take on cheat days and just eat carbs and pro it can be hard but it can be done, it makes perfect sense no to combine them in one meal considering the insilin spike and no need to take down two energy sources at the same time, but i know plenty of people that do combine them when getting ready for a show or just keeping in top shape but they also workout twice a day so pick ur poison