All the help is appreciated

[stanford]

Im wanting to take another cylce. My first cylce was Tes Enanthate 250.
My stats are 5ft 10in, 180lbs, 13% body fat, 23yrs old. I'm wanting to take deca mainly to cut out. I have done my research and was just curious if anyone could help me.

[lucabratzi]

u didnt research to much...deca only is a bad idea....if ur only gonna run one compound it should be test...

[peump]

I'm wanting to take deca mainly to cut out.

i don't think deca will do what you expect

[stanford]

I was intending to take 300mg of deca and 100mg of tes a week

[peump]

diet to cut.

how much test did you take in the first cycle? (and for how long?)
what did it do for you?
how does that compare to your current goals?

[stanford]

i don't think deca will do what you expect

Then what will it do for me?

[lucabratzi]

Then what will it do for me?

give u a limp noodle...aka dick...

[stanford]

diet to cut.

how much test did you take in the first cycle? (and for how long?)
what did it do for you?
how does that compare to your current goals?

I'm on a very strict diet right now

I took 1cc for 10 weeks. I gained about 15lbs
If deca isnt worth the time Im thinking about Equipoise to help me gain some solid weight,

[hosam4ever]

deca is a poor choice for cutting
cutting is based on diet steroids doesnt cut fat

[stanford]

give u a limp noodle...aka dick...

I heard taking small dosages of tes will help this......

[peump]

Then what will it do for me?

deca is more of a muscle builder as opposed to a muscle definer or cutter.

also you need to be eating plenty in order for deca to work, therefore not really great for cutting.

[stanford]

deca is a poor choice for cutting
cutting is based on diet steroids doesnt cut fat

So deca wouldnt help me out

[peump]

deca is a poor choice for cutting
cutting is based on diet steroids doesnt cut fat

agreed

[peump]

Stanford, what are your specific goals?

[juiceboxxx]

I was intending to take 300mg of deca and 100mg of tes a week

More like 400mgs of deca and 750 mgs of test/week = a decent 2nd cycle + proper pct.

Test needs to be ran higher then the deca for many reasons and deca alone isn't a good idea.

[stanford]

Well I'm very undisisive right now. I'm wanting to cut out. But if thats not possible I would like to gain about 15-20 lbs solid. I heard equipoise is good for that.

[lucabratzi]

More like 400mgs of deca and 750 mgs of test/week = a decent 2nd cycle + proper pct.

Test needs to be ran higher then the deca for many reasons and deca alone isn't a good idea.

hell no..not for him...if he gained 15lbs off 250mg/wk why would he do 750mg test and 400mg deca....

[lucabratzi]

Well I'm very undisisive right now. I'm wanting to cut out. But if thats not possible I would like to gain about 15-20 lbs solid. I heard equipoise is good for that.

why wouldnt it be possible...

[peump]

More like 400mgs of deca and 750 mgs of test/week = a decent 2nd cycle + proper pct.

Test needs to be ran higher then the deca for many reasons and deca alone isn't a good idea.

these doses are to high for stanford IMO

i don't think you should jump from 250mg a week to 750mg a week.
especially since he gained 15 lbs.
it's just not needed and will bring in a higher chance of sides

[stanford]

Im really worried about water retention as well

[juiceboxxx]

hell no..not for him...if he gained 15lbs off 250mg/wk why would he do 750mg test and 400mg deca....

15 lbs of lbm and kept all of it from a 250mgs of test? give me a break bro. Almost impossible.

[peump]

hell no..not for him...if he gained 15lbs off 250mg/wk why would he do 750mg test and 400mg deca....

EQ needs tro be ran for around 15 weeks. you may noy want a cycle that long

[stanford]

My first cycle was over a year ago. If that matters

[peump]

15 lbs of lbm and kept all of it from a 250mgs of test? give me a break bro. Almost impossible.

i gained and kept more than that without test or anything else before i started running AAS. so NOT impossible.

[stanford]

15 lbs of lbm and kept all of it from a 250mgs of test? give me a break bro. Almost impossible.

Obviously its not impossible. I started working out then 6months later i decided to take a cylce. Was on a strict diet and I kept it up afterwards and kept a good solid 12-15lbs

[lucabratzi]

15 lbs of lbm and kept all of it from a 250mgs of test? give me a break bro. Almost impossible.

ok, i agree...i'll rephrase, how much was lbm and how much was fat/water..

[stanford]

EQ needs tro be ran for around 15 weeks. you may noy want a cycle that long

I wouldnt mind 15 weeks.
Does Equipose cause water retention... I have looked alot into it but it never said anything about Equipoise having water retention

[peump]

Well I'm very undisisive right now. I'm wanting to cut out. But if thats not possible I would like to gain about 15-20 lbs solid. I heard equipoise is good for that.

if you want to cut then look into a strict diet plan.
that will be more effective then roids.
also no side effects other then fat loss.
also you don't have to spend your cash on steroids.

[lucabratzi]

Obviously its not impossible. I started working out then 6months later i decided to take a cylce. Was on a strict diet and I kept it up afterwards and kept a good solid 12-15lbs

ok then i think its possible...we were under the impression that u trained for a reasonable amount of time before u cycle...

[juiceboxxx]

these doses are to high for stanford IMO

i don't think you should jump from 250mg a week to 750mg a week.
especially since he gained 15 lbs.
it's just not needed and will bring in a higher chance of sides

well then he can do 500 mgs of test alone for a 2nd cycle, followed by proper pct.

I was thinking he was going to bulk. I knwo he could have gained 15 lbs of water but not keeping 15 lbs of LBM after his cycle of sust 250mgs/week for 12 weeks.

If his goal is to cut then yes I agree, aas is not needed here. Proper diet + cardio is.

[lucabratzi]

I wouldnt mind 15 weeks.
Does Equipose cause water retention... I have looked alot into it but it never said anything about Equipoise having water retention

dont worry about water retention....if ur diet is in check u should be fine...i would run test. 4-500mg/wk and a cuttin agent...maybe var...or winny...

[peump]

I wouldnt mind 15 weeks.
Does Equipose cause water retention... I have looked alot into it but it never said anything about Equipoise having water retention

water retention can be controlled. but EQ dosent cause alot.

[peump]

STANFORD,

figure out exactly what your goal is. when you are sure what you want to do then we can help more

[stanford]

what would be a good cycle of eq... 500mg for 16 weeks?

[stanford]

STANFORD,

figure out exactly what your goal is. when you are sure what you want to do then we can help more

Well I was under the impression that deca was a cutting agent. Since it is not I want to gain some solid weight. I heard EQ was the best for that.

[juiceboxxx]

I would hold off and do more research bro. Your going with what people say and not what you know. Your joggling the ball around and any minute your going to drop it.

It's better to be patient/prepared rather then rush into it and lose all/most of your gains.

Just do more research and when your prepared then do what you gotta do.

In my opinion if you want to cut then just hit the diet forum, check your diet and do 45 mind of cardio a day, till you reach your goal.

[SMAN12b]

DIET is 90% of your body makeup. Steroids are NOT magic drugs that turn you rock hard all by themselves. Your diet and training have to be in line for the cycle you want to do.
From what it sounds like you are looking for, I would look into Test E and adding winny at the end. Maybe something like this, BUT Diet first, then training before you consider this.

Weeks 1-12-Test Enanth @ 500mgs/wk
Weeks 9-14 Winny @ 50mg/day

You will need proper PCT all of which must be on hand before you do anything.

Look into this and come back to us with your cycle outlined including your PCT and we will critique it for you.

Hope this helped

[lucabratzi]

thats a long cycle bro...u dont need to run gear that long yet...

[peump]

what would be a good cycle of eq... 500mg for 16 weeks?

i think you would be better off running test along with EQ but i think you may be satisfied with test only at a higher dose then your last cycle.





but ya
500mg test e 17 weeks and
500mg EQ for 16 weeks if you were going to run it


again this is most likely overkill in your current situation

[lucabratzi]

DIET is 90% of your body makeup. Steroids are NOT magic drugs that turn you rock hard all by themselves. Your diet and training have to be in line for the cycle you want to do.
From what it sounds like you are looking for, I would look into Test E and adding winny at the end. Maybe something like this, BUT Diet first, then training before you consider this.

Weeks 1-12-Test Enanth @ 500mgs/wk
Weeks 9-14 Winny @ 50mg/day

You will need proper PCT all of which must be on hand before you do anything.

Look into this and come back to us with your cycle outlined including your PCT and we will critique it for you.

Hope this helped

exactly what i was tryin to say...but u put it better....but slow down and do some research...