Back hurting is this an SE?

[Rookie1974]

Whenever Im lifting on leg day the lower part of my back starts to hurt. Its not a pinched nurve pain but the muscles on each side of the spine have a "fatigue" pain....the kind of pain you get when you've done 4-5 sets of curls back to back...a muscle pump pain. Gets better if I lay in the floor for a few minuites, but I can hardly stand up after a set of squats, sled presses ect..

Ive been on TE 750/week for 5 weeks and Letro .25mg/day and Tamox 10mg/day.

Is this an SE? anyone had this pain.

Thankx

[playboii]

why are you taking letro and nolva....letro is all you need. same the tomax for pct

[shortie]

"Back Pumps"-You hear guys talk about them all the time with dbol, I get them like a biatch with Tbol, but that's what you're getting, I imagine 30 minutes after you leave the gym you're just fine, but right after a set you can hardly stand, let alone walk-I just don't know what to do about them though.

[Rookie1974]

Shortie, Thats it. Its managble but hurts...sounds like an side effect which eases my mind. Thankx

Plaboii, I was using a cycle designed by The Mudman which is posted as "Cycles for the Newbie" at the top of the Q+A Forum. Ive posted it below for convience. Should I not be on Tamox (Nolva)? Thankx

Cycles for the Newbie

Written by TheMudMan

Here is a person that I feel is ready to run their first cycle. A person that has reached at least the age 21 (IMO 25 is a better age), has their diet and training in check, and has also researched enough about AAS to not have to ask all the "newbie questions. Remember this is your body and these drugs that you're ingesting and injecting have both good and bad side effects.

Here are some cycles to consider for a first time user of AAS. All cycles should be based off of test. But before jumping into one of these cycles please do your research. Remember with the good comes the bad. The bad being side effects from the use of AAS. I will not go into them here but if you do your homework you will know what sides you may see and how to avoid them.

I’m a firm believer in starting anti-estrogens 2 weeks prior to the start of the cycle. This will allow more then enough time to get blood levels peaked. Also, I would also suggest running a SERM (Nolvadex) and AI (arimidex, proviron, femera) together through the cycle.

These are just a few of the many combinations of compounds that can be used in a first cycle. I feel that D-bol, EQ, and Winny are all very good to add to a first cycle to help things along but they are not necessary. I also feel that a long acting ester test is best for a first or even a second cycle. The reason is because of the amount of injections that are required by SUS, Prop, and Suspension.

Below is the PCT protocol I use for most cycles. You could add 4 grams of Tribulus into PCT. There are plenty of studies that show the use of Tribulus will help increase LH levels. This is why it’s a good idea to use during the cycle as well.

Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
Day 2 - 30 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
Day 31 - 37 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex

Cycle 1:
1 – 10 Enan 500mg/wk
1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
1 – 12 L-dex .25mg ED

Start PCT 2 weeks after last Enan injection

[playboii]

you said letro on top but L-dex doesnt mean letro it means liquidex

[Rookie1974]

My research showed that they both are aromatase inhibitors, and Letro was cheaper. Letro is a bit more potent and it has been noted to decrease sexual drive, but it looked like a better buy. Is their a difference that I missed? Can I substatute these two?