kidneys an liver

[pumpd4lif]

i want to take more precautions with my kidneys an liver what r some sups i can take besides milk thistle to insure better health while on cycle

[Bigmax]

cranberry extract.....water plenty of that...you can also use liver rite.

[pumpd4lif]

good deal tx

[Booz]

liv-52 is a good compound........................

[01dragonslayer]

Hepadetox
Liv52
ALA
Cranberry extract
Blueberries
...minimum 1 gal. H2O/day.

[pumpd4lif]

tx again this is very important to me if u cant be safe as possible u shouldnt be at all in my book tx again guys

[alexs750]

What dosage do you take all those products in? If it varies how about an average.

[ascendant]

bro, best way to protect your liver and kidneys is avoid orals. injects are far safer and don't put any of that uneeded stress on either of those organs. there are plenty enough injects out there that you don't need the orals.

[pumpd4lif]

well i normaly do stay away from orals but im trying to take advantage of this oxandrin 10 mg i came across so i figured i would make an exception for it ive heard alot of good things about it and i like to take precautions no matter oral or not so i ran out and grabbed the cranberry extract already have been taking the milkthistle and also grabbed liver formula by gnc couldnt find the liv 52 or the hepadetox or ala i will look for them at another store im just trying to be safe so any input is good input tx fella,s

[Random]

Youll be fine taking those supplements...i took anavar for 7 wks at 60mg a day and my liver values after the cycle were just slightly elevated...check my diary in the members section if you want the full bloodwork...var is really not that taxing on your liver...

[powerliftmike]

Hepadetox
Liv52
ALA
Cranberry extract
Blueberries
...minimum 1 gal. H2O/day.

that,

bro, best way to protect your liver and kidneys is avoid orals.

and that,

and also Essentiale Forte.

[beachbum28]

First off bro, milk thistle is all anyone needs for liver protection, but make sure you get the right kind. Look for product containing 70% silymarin (the active ingred.) Milk Thistle (has been said to..and I have to use those words or the FDA might knock down my door and arrest me for making a claim against their standards) and is the only chemical compound that can actually reverse Cirrhosis, stop mushroom poisoning, and act as a protector against toxins. Now here's a bit of info to consider. If you take MT while on gear, you will be beating a dead horse bro. Think about it. Gear = toxic to liver! MT=Toxin protectant! Removes it from liver thus not getting processed. Stick with the water and juice until you are done, and then take it for 2 months. All this is my simple ass minded opinion so take it if you want...I do have a lot of exp with herbs though...both trial and error and scienctific testing.

[beachbum28]

Billberry for liver???? Don't listen to that. Might wanna use it if you got the runs and your eyesight is less than 20/20, but for liver it has no effect other than some antioxies like vit c-e and carotene. If you want your antioxies just eat any dark berry like rasp, blue, black, cherry, cran etc...

[Liftnainez]

First off bro, milk thistle is all anyone needs for liver protection, but make sure you get the right kind. Look for product containing 70% silymarin (the active ingred.) Milk Thistle (has been said to..and I have to use those words or the FDA might knock down my door and arrest me for making a claim against their standards) and is the only chemical compound that can actually reverse Cirrhosis, stop mushroom poisoning, and act as a protector against toxins. Now here's a bit of info to consider. If you take MT while on gear, you will be beating a dead horse bro. Think about it. Gear = toxic to liver! MT=Toxin protectant! Removes it from liver thus not getting processed. Stick with the water and juice until you are done, and then take it for 2 months. All this is my simple ass minded opinion so take it if you want...I do have a lot of exp with herbs though...both trial and error and scienctific testing.

Can you back this up? I dont think this is correct..

[beachbum28]

I couldn't back it up with gear, but with things like acetaminophen, antibiotics, etc., I've actually done testing on rats. Several approaches were taken... rats given aceta and tested for liver enzymes...rats given MT and then aceta...the end results showed MT removed the toxins before entering the inner liver cells were damage is caused. I am going to test orals one of these days. I'm just a back yard chemist so by no means am I an expert.. but a test is a test is a test..

[powerlifter]

Liv 52 is outstanding. Of course at least a gallon of water and cranberry extract helps the kidneys but if you are doing an ECA stack your urine is getting acidified enough from the Aspirin IMO. Extra water if doing the ECA stack.

[stupidhippo]

to beachbum: can u elaborate more on the abilities to reverse cirrhosis cause I really doubt that...

[mwolffey]

Hepadetox
Liv52
ALA
Cranberry extract
Blueberries
...minimum 1 gal. H2O/day.

ditto...many underestimate the importance of h20...its a free supplement imo

[beachbum28]

I'm not going to debate something that I know has been proven, and I have actually tested with great results. It does not produce the same result on every animal tested, but does for 85%. The way to tell if you have liver disorder is through a consistant series of liver values in a controlled manor. Once a liver is damged it will continue to produce similar results as in high liver enzyme count showing damge. We took many rats and damaged them through injects of aceta and then continued to monitor liver values. NONE of them got better with water, juice, etc once the damage was done. However, MT produced results showing liver function being restored. As you know, fda prohibits saying certain words, and I am not looking to defend anything I say. I'd say that if you are interested in this and have any knowledge of the subject, as I suspect you might, judging by your disagreement, get some equipment and run some tests... you'll be amazed, and it's fun. One last word... i had a rat with severe cirrhosis and it has outlived all other non treated rats by 16 months and still kickin~ Also, we ran a mushroom poision test (Amanita) (which you may know is almost impossible to beat even in humans, if caught early enough the odds are 40%, maybe 50% survival using activated charcoal. We've have an average survival rate of 95%, and I think that last 5 was from some inconsistant measures such as temp change, humidity, and a few other things that happened unsuspectingly.

to beachbum: can u elaborate more on the abilities to reverse cirrhosis cause I really doubt that...

[bigpopapump]

Hmm very interesting posts. Sounds like many are back yard doctors

[pumpd4lif]

he is a mad scientist, cure cancer and reach for the nobel prize pro
rofl..
but thx again i would really like to here more about mt hindering the productivity of gear tho and if it really does could u take the cranberry extract instead being that it helps to flush out the kidneys and the liver instead of removing compounds before they get into the liver cells

[marcus300]

cranberry extract
liv 52
loads of water

[pumpd4lif]

so mt def inhibits results of gear?is this a fact ur telling me beachbum

[Bigmax]

so mt def inhibits results of gear?is this a fact ur telling me beachbum

guy just do some more research yourself...the thread started with you asking about precautions that we new about and many of us said what we thought could help you.This guy starts rambling about all kinds of other things with no scientific back up and that just starts a whole new can of worms(let him start a thread)

[Cornholio]

If you take MT while on gear, you will be beating a dead horse bro. Think about it. Gear = toxic to liver! MT=Toxin protectant! Removes it from liver thus not getting processed. Stick with the water and juice until you are done,

Good info to know.

[stupidhippo]

I'm not going to debate something that I know has been proven, and I have actually tested with great results. It does not produce the same result on every animal tested, but does for 85%. The way to tell if you have liver disorder is through a consistant series of liver values in a controlled manor. Once a liver is damged it will continue to produce similar results as in high liver enzyme count showing damge. We took many rats and damaged them through injects of aceta and then continued to monitor liver values. NONE of them got better with water, juice, etc once the damage was done. However, MT produced results showing liver function being restored. As you know, fda prohibits saying certain words, and I am not looking to defend anything I say. I'd say that if you are interested in this and have any knowledge of the subject, as I suspect you might, judging by your disagreement, get some equipment and run some tests... you'll be amazed, and it's fun. One last word... i had a rat with severe cirrhosis and it has outlived all other non treated rats by 16 months and still kickin~ Also, we ran a mushroom poision test (Amanita) (which you may know is almost impossible to beat even in humans, if caught early enough the odds are 40%, maybe 50% survival using activated charcoal. We've have an average survival rate of 95%, and I think that last 5 was from some inconsistant measures such as temp change, humidity, and a few other things that happened unsuspectingly.

interesting... one more question though. Just to make sure: ur rats had cirrhosis (fibrosis) not just destruction of liver tissue?

[stupidhippo]

If you take MT while on gear, you will be beating a dead horse bro. Think about it. Gear = toxic to liver! MT=Toxin protectant! Removes it from liver thus not getting processed. Stick with the water and juice until you are done, and then take it for 2 months.

Also with this i kinf of disagree... The processing of the gear in the liver would only make the gear inactive or possibly to active metabolites.. that would meean there would be a higher concentration of active gear in the blood if that process would be hindered with. Ofcourse this depends on the mechanism of action of MT...