Testosterone

[D-Money]

I know that Testosterone should be run during every cycle to avoid any sexual disfunction during a cycle. If all Aas are derivitives of the testosterone molecule, why is testosterone better than say eq, or d-bol at preventing keep your libido up during a cycle? What qualities make it better, is it cause it resembles natural test the closest?

[taiboxa]

because its the only compound your body can effectively utilize as an endogenous test replacement and thats all im going to say

but i have ran deca ONLY for extended periods of time
fairly low doses and had 0 libido/boner problems

STRESS on other hand = LIMP NOODLE

[goalseeker]

STRESS on other hand = LIMP NOODLE

LOL.. I have to agree.....

[boxingbean]

me 3.....deca...alone bad on the "pedro"

[Warrior]

Because the diriatives are frequently man's attempt to change testosterone into a more anabolic and less androgenic compound... I have never heard of a testosterone diriative being created to increase libido... only for treating degenerative disease in muscle and bone, chronic wasting conditions, anemia. Testosterone itself has been prescribed to treat impotence associated with hypogonadism in adult males. Diriatives of testosterone produce effects on the body outside of being a tissue building holy grail... like a progestin 19-Nortestosterone (Tren, Deca) can lead to increased progesteone levels... if it's allowed to get too high - progesterone can kill libido.

BTW - exogenous testosterone as sold by the pharmaceutical companies is the same as the endogenous testosterone your body produces...

[BajanBastard]

Testosterone also is reduced to DHT, which is a vital hormone far sex drive.

[D-Money]

Good info. I could never find the answer beyond "test will keep your d**k from getting limp during a cycle". I've been searching for the scientific reasoning behind it. Thanks guys!

[jcstanto]

Should you run HCG with test? (Does it have a impact on the sex drive?)

[D-Money]

I know guys who never run a cycle with out it! Usually they use like 250-500 ius every 1-3 times a week. I think the purpose is took keep there endigious (sp) or natural test at decent levels, therefore helping with recovery. But you got to be carefull, it is possible to desentisize your balls to the effect of lh.

[Warrior]

I know guys who never run a cycle with out it! Usually they use like 250-500 ius every 1-3 times a week. I think the purpose is took keep there endigious (sp) or natural test at decent levels, therefore helping with recovery. But you got to be carefull, it is possible to desentisize your balls to the effect of lh.

Not really - you can't recover endogenous testosterone while administering your own intervention... the two won't exist at the same time, you get one or the other. HCG simply keeps your testes sensitive to the gonadtropins that send signals for testosterone production in the testes... so that when you come off - they will react faster. I recently posted this analogy (everyone seemed to like it ) - it's like showing you a picture of a friend you haven't seen in a long time so you can better recognize him when you do.

[D-Money]

Not really - you can't recover endogenous testosterone while administering your own intervention... the two won't exist at the same time, you get one or the other. HCG simply keeps your testes sensitive to the gonadtropins that send signals for testosterone production in the testes... so that when you come off - they will react faster. I recently posted this analogy (everyone seemed to like it ) - it's like showing you a picture of a friend you haven't seen in a long time so you can better recognize him when you do.

Wow! I just learned something new. That makes a lot of sense "you can't recover endogeous testosterone while administering your own intervention... the two won't exist at the same time,...". I never even thought of that, most of my ideas about running hcg during a cycle have been taken from a doctor named swale, but now that you mention it, I don't see how it is possible to "recover while suppressing" (so to speak) at the same time. Thanks!

[Warrior]

Wow! I just learned something new. That makes a lot of sense "you can't recover endogeous testosterone while administering your own intervention... the two won't exist at the same time,...". I never even thought of that, most of my ideas about running hcg during a cycle have been taken from a doctor named swale, but now that you mention it, I don't see how it is possible to "recover while suppressing" (so to speak) at the same time. Thanks!

Swale is smart guy and he has his own ideas regarding PCT. Reread his stuff and compare it with other sources... then draw your own conclusions from personal experience.

The sources I get my info from (books and other publications, journals and studies, personal experience) have lead me to understand that as long as the body picks up on the outside testosterone intervention - it will not recover endogenous production. Thats why PCT does not truely start until the end of the last active life...

HCG helps with longer cycles that can be pretty suppressive and hard to come off... it mimicks endogenous gonadtropins to keep the testes sensitive to their signal... so that when you come off - they pick up on it quicker and return to normal endocrine function (homeostatis) faster. Personal experience: use HCG for any cycle over 10 weeks, and usually any cycle that stacks with a nortestosterone (tren, deca) since it can be even more suppressive. The raise in total hormones... even elevated estrogen and progesterone can increase the shut down of the HPTA.