Cycle Question

[Erwin]

Got a friend who is looking to do another cycle and was wondering what to throw together. This will be his third cycle. 6'6" 320 lbs. probably around 18%bf. Former professional athlete. Training is there and we are working on the diet thing. He was looking at running Test Enanthate at 750 mg weeks 1-20 and running Winny at 50mg ed weeks 8-20. He wants to find another compound to compliment this cycle. Ruled out EQ and have been leaning towards tren enathate at 500 mgs per week. But what about running the trenbolone weeks 1-10 and then running masteron enanthate weeks 10-20 at 500mg per week? Also trying to findthe best thing for him to run during cycle for water,gyno, etc. Arimidex or letro? And for post cycle would aromasin work or would he need something else? Any other compunds that you guys think would fit into this cycle? Thanks guys-erwin

[1buffsob]

Why so long of a cycle? Does he really think he'll continue to gain the whole 20 weeks?

Please provide us with previously used compounds along with dosages and previous PCT's. We need to know how he reacted to previous compounds/dosages before we can begin to recommend anything. I personally feel he needs to cut before comtemplating another cycle. 18% bf is way too high IMO.

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[mtrsprt]

Got a friend who is looking to do another cycle and was wondering what to throw together. This will be his third cycle. 6'6" 320 lbs. probably around 18%bf. Former professional athlete. Training is there and we are working on the diet thing. He was looking at running Test Enanthate at 750 mg weeks 1-20 and running Winny at 50mg ed weeks 8-20. He wants to find another compound to compliment this cycle. Ruled out EQ and have been leaning towards tren enathate at 500 mgs per week. But what about running the trenbolone weeks 1-10 and then running masteron enanthate weeks 10-20 at 500mg per week? Also trying to findthe best thing for him to run during cycle for water,gyno, etc. Arimidex or letro? And for post cycle would aromasin work or would he need something else? Any other compunds that you guys think would fit into this cycle? Thanks guys-erwin

6'6 at 320?? 18% BF???????? If so, the guy should come move my house for me.

[Erwin]

The last time around he ran Sust at 750 mg a week for 15 weeks and deca at 400 mgs for I believe the same amount of time. He was happy with the gains he made but it seemd like he was just shooting the sust once a week. Which I explained to him about esters after that. Another cycle was growth hormone. 15 weeks on that one aslo I believe. 30 pounds put on on that one. I think one of the reasons for the long cycle is he liked the "good" feeling of being on. And I also tried to explain about what I had read about masteron really benefitting you if your bf was already in the single digits. Pesronally I would like to run him on a test e at 750mgs per week for weeks 1-12 and tren enanthate at 500 mgs per week for weeks 1-10 and see how he does. maybe up the doses after week 6 if he is doing ok with no severe sides from the tren. Run arimidex while on if sides appear and aromsin and clen in the post cycle. But I think he is dead set on the winny though. PCT is the biggest thing we argue about since I don't think he has ever done one other than 6-oxo the last cycle, but he said it did bring his fellas back around.

[1buffsob]

30lbs on 15 weeks of HGH? Ummm......yeah....... I won't comment on that one.

As for the cycle for your bro, it doesn't sound like he has any clue what he is doing. I do not feel comfortable recommending any compounds for him. I feel he needs to cut at that weight anyway.

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[aaronswt84]

for a 20 week cycle he needs more than aromasin thats for sure. He should run nolva 20mg ed for 6 weeks. 500iu ed of HCG for 3 weeks, aromasin 25mg ed for 4 weeks. There is a post on that exact pct, I beleive its called the end to all pcts or something like that... look it up.

[Erwin]

Yeah buff, well it may have been longer than 15 weeks and he may have been counting total weight and not true gains also. I couldn't tell you what he did before since I wasn't around him back then. All word of mouth and we know how that is. I agree with the cutting the weight, if you were going to do clen at his size would the 120 mcg per day still hold true as a suggested dose? And also, he is going to cycle, just trying to keep him from hurting himself and give him as much info as possible. Thanks again guys.

[Erwin]

thanks for the heads up arron. I have been trying to print this stuff off and get as much info into his head as possible

[marcus300]

I think this guy needs to slow down a bit, some of the information is confusing what you have told us about his previous cycle gains,

At his weight and BF i wouldn't consider doing a 20 wk cycle with them compounds, id diet naturally and get the body fat down, you would also have to post his full cycle history with gains and compounds for us to help him when he is ready, but IMHO id lose some BF first and do some hard training and cardio

[1buffsob]

for a 20 week cycle he needs more than aromasin thats for sure. He should run nolva 20mg ed for 6 weeks. 500iu ed of HCG for 3 weeks, aromasin 25mg ed for 4 weeks. There is a post on that exact pct, I beleive its called the end to all pcts or something like that... look it up.

Hooker's PCT Protocal. Be trying that myself here very shortly, along with a couple added compounds.

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[1buffsob]

Yeah buff, well it may have been longer than 15 weeks and he may have been counting total weight and not true gains also. I couldn't tell you what he did before since I wasn't around him back then. All word of mouth and we know how that is. I agree with the cutting the weight, if you were going to do clen at his size would the 120 mcg per day still hold true as a suggested dose? And also, he is going to cycle, just trying to keep him from hurting himself and give him as much info as possible. Thanks again guys.

As you say, he'll probably cycle either way. Stupid indeed. But you're a good bro for trying to keep him safe.

Try to get him to do as few compounds as possible. I don't know how much he'll listen though. It sounds like he is dead set on his ways. Also, get him to drop the duration to no more than 16 weeks, with hcg in the middle and/or in the end WITH A PROPER PCT!!

Like Marcus and I have said, he needs to cut. And can easily do it natty.

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[Erwin]

Thanks for the input guys, I will try to get all of the specifics and post them on here in a couple of days when I get back and see if I can shed some more light on this.

[aaronswt84]

Erwin no prob, buffsob is right it is hookers pct protocol, im using it at the end of my next cycle, except im tossing in clen, and maybe just maybe slin, I havent decided to take the slin step yet, havent grow the nuts, haha

[1buffsob]

Erwin no prob, buffsob is right it is hookers pct protocol, im using it at the end of my next cycle, except im tossing in clen, and maybe just maybe slin, I havent decided to take the slin step yet, havent grow the nuts, haha

I will be running clen as well. Was first going to do slin PWO, but have decided to give IGF a go instead. Slin will definately aid in PCT. I'd recommend it if you have experience with it. If you don't, running clen while on slin can be dangerous. Hypo can feel a lot like clen sides

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[aaronswt84]

thanks for the input, I was thinking about running slin b/f my next cycle which is starting July 15th to see how i react to it. I found a place that ships from canada humalog for $30 plus shipping and they ship with a ice pak