HRT dosage versus Total T - Total T versus Free T?

[vermin]

Is there a rule of thumb to use, knowing that individuals vary, for TRT dosage and total/free test? Is there a rule of thumb for predicting free test from total (I have numbers from years gone by, but only total, not free)?

In other words, if a individual had 200 endogenous TT and then took 200mg wk e or c, about where would he be? 300mg/wk? How much would be required to get him to 1000 total test? 1200? 1600? What would he be FT?

Thanks!

edited - a couple places I said "free" when I meant "total".

[vermin]

Is this the wrong forum for this question?

[zaggahamma]

Is this the wrong forum for this question?

What I've seen Verm is that when your taking it exo....your endo shuts down....and to best way to get the right amount is to start off low (to avoid sides) and work from there and get tested and also go by feel/symptoms. I'm kind a doing the same thing....trying to find a higher normal range...almost a step out of HRT but not wanting to break through a wall either. So far so good....I've just started shots (2 EW)(200mg Total) to start. Maybe this will help...My levels were 275, 298..then started gel 5mg ED(35mgEW) and level went down to 140...Started taking 10mg ED (70mgEW) and that got my total test level to 785...I wanted a little bit more anabolic rewards, so I started on 15mg ED(105mgEW) for only a week but finally got a script for injectable a week ago. Hope all my gibber gabber helped a bit.
take care

[bringndaheat]

There is no true answer for your question! From what I have seen 200mgs of Test E a week should get you to between 800-1200. This would be a great place to shoot for. It all depends on how your body responds. My body responds very well to small doses. Every aggressive doc I have talked to says 200mgs of test e is the way to go. That is such a small dose that you should have not sides. Most people on the other forums say don't even bother with test if you are not going to do 500mg's a week. Where I have had great gains at 200!

[Ufa]

I do 150mg of test c per week and I am at 897 total test. From what I've
read the ration of test v. estrogen is most important. In other words if
your test is high and your estro is high you still feel like sh!t. It's when
you have the high ratio that you feel fantastic. Seems everyone wants
to be at the top end of range. Just wait about a year. Your goals may
change. In other words "why not 1200" thats where the old boundry line
was.

[bringndaheat]

IMO 200mg's of test e will get you in the 800-1200 range. You will feel like a kid in a room full of cheerleaders

[balin]

At 100mg/week my T level is still at the top of the normal range at the end of the week. 200mg/week would put me WAY off the charts.

[Mobligator]

Free Testosterone is the amount of total testosterone that is not bound to a protein called, sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG). Only the free testosterone is biologically available to bind to the androgen receptors in your body for performing the functions it is meant to do. Approximately 2 percent of the total testosterone is free, the rest is bound to SHBG and not available for use. As long as you don't have any binding problem a normal range of 500-600 ng/dl (total testosterone)will be enough to take care of all of your androgen receptors, or 10-12 ng/dl of "free testosterone". Jacking up the total testoterone doesn't make much difference in the free test. A total of 800 ng/dl will only give you 16 in free test. Since testosterone is more androgenic than anabolic it won't work nearly as well as an anabolic steroid, e.g. Dianabol, Anavar, or Anadrol 50. Dianabol was the best but they stopped making it in the U.S. Back in 1972 I took Dianabol, by-it-self, 5 mg a day for only 30 days and my bench press went up 110lbs. The little blue pill was like magic!

[zaggahamma]

Free Testosterone is the amount of total testosterone that is not bound to a protein called, sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG). Only the free testosterone is biologically available to bind to the androgen receptors in your body for performing the functions it is meant to do. Approximately 2 percent of the total testosterone is free, the rest is bound to SHBG and not available for use. As long as you don't have any binding problem a normal range of 500-600 ng/dl (total testosterone)will be enough to take care of all of your androgen receptors, or 10-12 ng/dl of "free testosterone". Jacking up the total testoterone doesn't make much difference in the free test. A total of 800 ng/dl will only give you 16 in free test. Since testosterone is more androgenic than anabolic it won't work nearly as well as an anabolic steroid, e.g. Dianabol, Anavar, or Anadrol 50. Dianabol was the best but they stopped making it in the U.S. Back in 1972 I took Dianabol, by-it-self, 5 mg a day for only 30 days and my bench press went up 110lbs. The little blue pill was like magic!

So which of the 3 remaining anabolics (that you mentioned)do you think are best now?

[Mobligator]

jpkman asked: So which of the 3 remaining anabolics (that you mentioned)do you think are best now?

I have only taken two of the three, Dianabol and Anavar. I've heard that Anavar is good for strength but Anadrol 50 better for body building. I've also taken Deca-Durabolin but it's considered a weak anabolic and it didn't do much for me. Winstrol is another but it's mostly used by women since it has less andogenic properties. Those mentioned are the only ones I can find in the PDR but I know there are more floating around on the black market, mostly from other countries. Caveat Emptor!

[vermin]

Interesting stuff - though this notion that more won't work does not seem consistent with many of the experiences shared here. Why would the "monsters" take 2g+ ew if it did not do anything? Moreover, the literature is full of studies of dosages in the 600mg-1g range showing very large effects compared to lesser doses. Seems like something is missing in this picture.

I know that my historical natural TT levels were in the 1600-1800 range, and from my experiences with TRT so far I can state that doses that would hit the 700-900 range did not, for me, restore much. At 300mg test-e ew I feel more or less normal, for me, about 3 days a week. I have about 6 more weeks to go until I know what my levels are now.

According to the literature, by 600mg ew it is clear that negative sides are sufficient that this is not a sustainable, HRT-style dose. If my bloodwork is reasonable in 6 weeks I am considering requesting 200mg 2Xw as a way to perhaps even out the effects I am getting.

[Ufa]

Free Testosterone is the amount of total testosterone that is not bound to a protein called, sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG). Only the free testosterone is biologically available to bind to the androgen receptors in your body for performing the functions it is meant to do. Approximately 2 percent of the total testosterone is free, the rest is bound to SHBG and not available for use. As long as you don't have any binding problem a normal range of 500-600 ng/dl (total testosterone)will be enough to take care of all of your androgen receptors, or 10-12 ng/dl of "free testosterone". Jacking up the total testoterone doesn't make much difference in the free test. A total of 800 ng/dl will only give you 16 in free test. Since testosterone is more androgenic than anabolic it won't work nearly as well as an anabolic steroid, e.g. Dianabol, Anavar, or Anadrol 50. Dianabol was the best but they stopped making it in the U.S. Back in 1972 I took Dianabol, by-it-self, 5 mg a day for only 30 days and my bench press went up 110lbs. The little blue pill was like magic!

I got a perscription of that in Hawaii in about 1980. Just walked into a Doc and told him what I wanted. Unfreaking real results. I just wish I would have
went back. I could have been a contender. Maybe even a professional something. Man, them were the good ole days.

[Oasis]

I think many people are focused on what thier total testosterone levels and free testosterone levels are which don't get me wrong are important to monitor but I think the most important part is feeling better. That is really the true goal of doing HRT. At this time of HRT know one really knows what each person's true ideal level should be because of the individuality of each person. The only true way to know this is to maybe have done a hormone test when a person is supposed to be in their prime and use those levels at a baseline for more specific and accurate treatment.

Well just chiming in on the subject


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[zaggahamma]

I think many people are focused on what thier total testosterone levels and free testosterone levels are which don't get me wrong are important to monitor but I think the most important part is feeling better. That is really the true goal of doing HRT. At this time of HRT know one really knows what each person's true ideal level should be because of the individuality of each person. The only true way to know this is to maybe have done a hormone test when a person is supposed to be in their prime and use those levels at a baseline for more specific and accurate treatment.

Well just chiming in on the subject


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[Oasis]

Thanks just trying to help the best I can with a little free time. Hope to chime in a little more when I get a chance. Sometimes its hard when there is a lot of great information and very knowledgable guys already posting.

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