proviron question

[swole25]

stats-3rd cycle, 5'9", 195 lbs., approx. 15% BF
hi, my next cycle i was going to try test enan 600mg's/week and equipoise 600 mg's/week both for 14 weeks and i was thinking of throwing proviron in there at 50 mg's a day. my question is can i use proviron for 14 weeks? i'm thinking yes since it's not 17-aa and not very liver toxic. also, i am sensitive to gyno but fought it off successfully in my past cycles using .3 mg of liquidex every day. do you guys think that the proviron without liquidex will be enough to combat estrogen production? thanks for your thoughts.

[MAXIMA5]

First of all, your cycle should look like this.

Test 14 weeks
EQ 13 weeks

OR

Test 15 weeks
EQ 14 weeks.

If you have enough Proviron to run it full cycle, do it, just save some for pct and the interim period from your last test shot to your first day of pct.

[Liftnainez]

First of all, your cycle should look like this.

Test 14 weeks
EQ 13 weeks

OR

Test 15 weeks
EQ 14 weeks.

If you have enough Proviron to run it full cycle, do it, just save some for pct and the interim period from your last test shot to your first day of pct.

I agree with Maxima

[Swifto]

First of all, your cycle should look like this.

Test 14 weeks
EQ 13 weeks

OR

Test 15 weeks
EQ 14 weeks.

If you have enough Proviron to run it full cycle, do it, just save some for pct and the interim period from your last test shot to your first day of pct.

Agreed.

Proviron 25-50mg/ED whilst "on". 50mg/ED for PCT.

[swole25]

so you guys think use the proviron 50 mg's a day for PCT as well? i was planning on running clomid and nolva for 3 weeks for PCT. how should i use the proviron in PCT, alone for 3 weeks or with clomid and/or nolvadex? thanks. i will extend my test to 15 weeks to go 1 week past the EQ per your instructions.

[Liftnainez]

I would use a Nolva/Proviron PCT..

[swole25]

so 50 mg's proviron/day and 10-20mg's nolvadex a day for 3 weeks sound good?

[Liftnainez]

50mgs of proviron and 20mg of nolva is what I would do..

[swole25]

sounds good, thanks for the input, i do appreciate it.

[Swifto]

50mgs of proviron and 20mg of nolva is what I would do..

Adding HCG 1000ius 3 times a week, Mon/Wed/Fri would also be a wise idea.

[Mighty Joe]

Adding HCG 1000ius 3 times a week, Mon/Wed/Fri would also be a wise idea.

Swifto, I know you are pretty well versed on Proviron for PCT so here is my question. When I run a normal PCT(Clomd/Nolva) I have no duration in mind. I just stay on PCT until my sex drive returns and that tells me I'm back to baseline. If you run Proviron during PCT which boosts libido generously, than how do you know when you are recovered?

I look forward to your response.

MJ

[swole25]

that is an excellent question! that's also how i usually guage if my PCT is finished.

[hosam4ever]

good point mighty joe

[Liftnainez]

get off after the 3-4 weeks and then see where you stand.. get a blood test and get checked.. that should help

[swole25]

also, i got so caught up in the PCT discussion that i just realized the second part of my main question went unanswered. do you think the 50 mg's proviron a day will keep the gyno away? i usually have to include liquidex at .3 mg's a day to keep gyno away whan i run test. thanks again.

[Mighty Joe]

Bump

[MAXIMA5]

If you make it to pct wth no sign of gyno, and continue running proviron, you should be in the clear. Your test levels will be dropping, which means less test to aromatise into estrogen and cause gyno.

[swole25]

but that's what i'm asking, do you think i'll make it to PCT without gyno using only proviron to prevent estrogen? or should i include liquidex anyway?

[speak]

but that's what i'm asking, do you think i'll make it to PCT without gyno using only proviron to prevent estrogen? or should i include liquidex anyway?

Don't think anyone can answer this. Some people get gyno and some don't. If you are worried, and you have nolva just take 10mgs per day, or liquidex @ .25

Me personally, I am on liquidex right now with my test e cycle.

[swole25]

OK, i thought i read a few places where proviron is supposed to stop testosterone from being converted to estrogen. i do get gyno on test and have used liquidex in the past but i didn't know if it would be neccessary to take while taking proviron.

[Swifto]

Swifto, I know you are pretty well versed on Proviron for PCT so here is my question. When I run a normal PCT(Clomd/Nolva) I have no duration in mind. I just stay on PCT until my sex drive returns and that tells me I'm back to baseline. If you run Proviron during PCT which boosts libido generously, than how do you know when you are recovered?

I look forward to your response.

MJ

get off after the 3-4 weeks and then see where you stand.. get a blood test and get checked.. that should help

Couldnt have said it better myself. I get bloodwork done 4-5 weeks after PCT ends, when not using any of my PCT compounds or supplements, such as natural testosterone boosters (Trib, Tongkat Ali). This is the only real way of seeing if your body has responded well off your PCT protocol and to see if another lighter/more aggressive PCT is needed.

If your purely coming off of PCT when your sex drive is back, then I agree, using Proviron isnt the best of ideas. But, I'd say this. Use Proviron for 4-5 weeks when doing your PCT. Then slowly ween off of it. Use 50mg/ED for 2 weeks, then down to 25mg/ED for 1-2 weeks. See how your sex drive is then...If its still poor, you know your HPTA hasnt recovered adequetely. If its back, then you know your PCT has been a success. You could even use 25mg/EOD if needed.

I believe the benifits of it are to great to simply leave it out. Low liver toxicity, high binding affinity to SHBG...The list goes on....

[Swifto]

OK, i thought i read a few places where proviron is supposed to stop testosterone from being converted to estrogen. i do get gyno on test and have used liquidex in the past but i didn't know if it would be neccessary to take while taking proviron.

Proviron will bind to the aromotase enzyme and reduce levels of estrogen, yes.

[Liftnainez]

Couldnt have said it better myself. I get bloodwork done 4-5 weeks after PCT ends, when not using any of my PCT compounds or supplements, such as natural testosterone boosters (Trib, Tongkat Ali). This is the only real way of seeing if your body has responded well off your PCT protocol and to see if another lighter/more aggressive PCT is needed.

If your purely coming off of PCT when your sex drive is back, then I agree, using Proviron isnt the best of ideas. But, I'd say this. Use Proviron for 4-5 weeks when doing your PCT. Then slowly ween off of it. Use 50mg/ED for 2 weeks, then down to 25mg/ED for 1-2 weeks. See how your sex drive is then...If its still poor, you know your HPTA hasnt recovered adequetely. If its back, then you know your PCT has been a success. You could even use 25mg/EOD if needed.

I believe the benifits of it are to great to simply leave it out. Low liver toxicity, high binding affinity to SHBG...The list goes on....

yup.. exactly!

[swole25]

Proviron will bind to the aromotase enzyme and reduce levels of estrogen, yes.

so i should wait to add liquidex until i see if i have gyno symptoms with the proviron? or do most people taking proviron successfully block the gyno with proviron. i know everyone's different, but liquidex pretty much works for anyone, will proviron?

[speak]

liquidex is cheap, if you know youre prone why not take it anyway

[Swifto]

so i should wait to add liquidex until i see if i have gyno symptoms with the proviron? or do most people taking proviron successfully block the gyno with proviron. i know everyone's different, but liquidex pretty much works for anyone, will proviron?

I'd run Proviron at 50mg/ED and Nolva 20mg/ED. This is waht I use for PCT, along with HCG. HCG can raise estrogen levels and they will also be high during PCT and Testosterone low. I cant see a problem with gyno when using Nolva/Proviron. If so, raise the Proviron to 50-75mg/ED and Nolva to 40mg/ED. Nolva 20mg/ED/Proviorn 50mg/ED will suffice IMO. You could keep L-Dex on hand if worried though. Aromasin would work better IMHO.

[swole25]

what dosage of aromasin is common? i've never used it, but can get it.

[Swifto]

what dosage of aromasin is common? i've never used it, but can get it.

I've never run it, so cant comment from experience. Most members/user's seem to start on 20mg/ED.

[I_Want_Abs]

I've never run it, so cant comment from experience. Most members/user's seem to start on 20mg/ED.

yep 20mg ED during pct is the norm.
im running 20mg ED at the moment but im also running proviron so it kinda covers up whatever the aromasins doing so i cant tell but everything i have read indicates 20-25mg ED is the right pct dose.

i just found this thread while searching for opinions on proviron for pct, i just created a thread earlier today asking for opinions on proviron for pct if anyone wants to chime in.
here it is:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=247839
sorry if this is a kinda thread hijack by linking my thread to this one

[Testostack]

First of all, your cycle should look like this.

Test 14 weeks
EQ 13 weeks

OR

Test 15 weeks
EQ 14 weeks.

If you have enough Proviron to run it full cycle, do it, just save some for pct and the interim period from your last test shot to your first day of pct.

ditto!

[Mighty Joe]

Couldnt have said it better myself. I get bloodwork done 4-5 weeks after PCT ends, when not using any of my PCT compounds or supplements, such as natural testosterone boosters (Trib, Tongkat Ali). This is the only real way of seeing if your body has responded well off your PCT protocol and to see if another lighter/more aggressive PCT is needed.

If your purely coming off of PCT when your sex drive is back, then I agree, using Proviron isnt the best of ideas. But, I'd say this. Use Proviron for 4-5 weeks when doing your PCT. Then slowly ween off of it. Use 50mg/ED for 2 weeks, then down to 25mg/ED for 1-2 weeks. See how your sex drive is then...If its still poor, you know your HPTA hasnt recovered adequetely. If its back, then you know your PCT has been a success. You could even use 25mg/EOD if needed.

I believe the benifits of it are to great to simply leave it out. Low liver toxicity, high binding affinity to SHBG...The list goes on....

Great advise bro......Thanks for the help!

MJ

[Testostack]

Yep.......swifto!

Are you done w/ tbol, swifto?

So what's the verdict?