Never Big Enough : Looking Towards the Future

[NoFaith068]

Well i'm done with my first cycle and well into the uphill battle that is my PCT. Despite the scary stories of loosing gains, etc. This has gone quite well. My first cycle (a simple 500mg/week test e for 10 weeks) was acceptable. Nothing magic - a total weight gain of around 13 pds on a good day. Not too much, but I managed to actually stay very lean and am looking more thick in most regions of my body.

Naturally, I want to take it to the next level. I'll start off announcing my goals. This isn't for the ladies, this isn't for the other guys to envy, this is for my self. I want to be a bodybuilder. Not a pro, of course, but I want to be on stage with an honoroable and symmetrical physique.

So not i've got to get real - giving myself a proper assesment, I notice my number one problem - mass. There's simply not enough of it. I will be waiting till August-September to start my next cycle in order to allow myself recovery time and tweak my training and diet even more for perfection next cycle.

Here's what I had in mind:

Test C or E - haven't decided or Sust.
Deca or EQ
Dbol

I'd like to hear everyone's opinions on which routes I should take or if I should take a different route for a MASS cycle. Considering my goals listed above is this the best route to take? I do research constantly, but I still feel like I may be missing something and want to do this perfectly.

Thanks ahead of time for any replies. I'm sorry for this being so long - when I get passionate about something I tend to ramble.

Thanks tons.

NoFaith068

[Ih8urdsm]

everyone is going to want your stats (training history, age, height, weight, cycle history)

that being said, since you have run a test cycle already,
I ran a Dbol/test E/Deca cycle for my 2nd and had great mass gains, and im running another one next week (higher dose and a little longer)

I hear a lot say that running deca for less than 12 weeks isnt ideal....And for PCT to line up correctly you want to run Test for one week longer than Deca.

So...

Week 1-4 Dbol 30-40mg day
Week 1-13 Test E
Week 1-12 Deca

now i left out the dosages for the vets, they would have a better gauge...but prob between 500-750mg a week of Test, and Deca 200-400mg

and definitly do a lot of research on bulking diets. I think thats what made the difference between my first and second cycle. getting the right foods, at the right times, and the content really makes a world of difference. It can probrobly make a 10lbs difference in gains.

How did i do?

[primetime1]

^^^so far done well from what i know also. 500mg test e will prolly suffice for a 2nd go.

[NoFaith068]

Excellent post IH8! As i'm a very indicisive person, any amount of input is greatly appreciated. My strive for perfection more often times than not leaves me with no solutions.

I, myself, am a true hardgainer. I have an incredibly fast metabolism (cursed by genetics), and fight this everday with a very high calorie diet. As you said I forgot to post my stats:

Height: 5'5" (My dad's 5'6" and mom 5 flat, so I consider myself lucky) lol
Age: 22
Weight: around 160

Not sure about my BF%, I am currently relatively lean as my abdominals are still somewhat visible and striations still appear in my legs. However, BF is not of concern with this next cycle. I'm not even concerned with the bloat that the Dbol may initially cause.

Any other suggestions from anyone else? Dosages, etc? Or am I going the wrong route considering my goals?

[mrdraco]

You should gain with 500 Test and 400 Deca or 400 EQ. You shouldn't need to increase the test if you are adding another steroid.

As suggested, 40mg Dbol first 4 weeks to kickstart the cycle would be good.

[pmorris]

13 pounds off a test- cycle for your 1st time isnt that much, did you have a good diet... and training..

[RA]

Cyp 750 1-13
deca 400 1-12
dbol 40mgs/day 1-6

If you run the test and deca doses too close you'll get deca dick.

[RA]

Oh yeah and 13 of your first cycle isnt enough. Spend more time in the diet section. More food is first.

[NoFaith068]

Thank you all for the advice.

No, 13 pds. Isn't that much. If you check my previous postings, you'll notice threads explaining this. Believe me, my diet was way perfect before AS. However, being laid out with the test flu almost after every shot didn't help. I'm going to be looking for a new source and trying a different brand of test this time around.

[RA]

No flame here. Just after doing a few cycles you will find out you have to eat like a damn horse to keep up/maintain the growth.

[rast4man]

Yeah dude. EAT and then EAT more. Being sick sucks (I have never been sick on a cycle knock on wood, so I don't know) but you have to try to beat that cold ASAP and get back into the game. Remember, 1.2-1.7g Protein per Lb. of body weight. Also remember these two words that 95% of us bodybuilders suffer from: "Adonis Complex"

Best of luck.

[NoFaith068]

Right guys. Did my very best to eat...like you mentioned though. It's hard to develop much an appetitie with a raging fever - I imagine that's where things went wrong. Can't wait to try a different brand of test and praying my body will react better. God knows what I could've accomplished if I wasn't sick and my ass wasn't swollen like crazy every other week.

Now...i've decided to go with Test C. for this cycle as opposed to Test E. I'd like to see how the ester stacks with DBol/Deca.

Is the general consensus that I should run this @ 750mg/week? Isn't that quite a bit of test C?

[RA]

Right guys. Did my very best to eat...like you mentioned though. It's hard to develop much an appetitie with a raging fever - I imagine that's where things went wrong. Can't wait to try a different brand of test and praying my body will react better. God knows what I could've accomplished if I wasn't sick and my ass wasn't swollen like crazy every other week.

Now...i've decided to go with Test C. for this cycle as opposed to Test E. I'd like to see how the ester stacks with DBol/Deca.

Is the general consensus that I should run this @ 750mg/week? Isn't that quite a bit of test C?

Yes but Im giving you straight from experience. I ran 500 test and 400 deca and got the deca dick. If I had it to do over again I would have ran more test. Its no fun getting with a hot woman and trying to plug her with a rope.

[Killzone]

I have the same problem, never enough mass. I would think that 500 mgs should be plenty for your second cycle.

[NoFaith068]

roidattack - I feel ya brother. I'll more than likely start at 500 and bump if needed. The increased libido was my favorite part of being on test.

[rast4man]

The nice thing about Test C is that you can switch to Test E in the middle if you want. I did with fantastic results more than once. I would start with 500mg and work up to 750mg in about 6 weeks. It usually takes that long for it to be fully kicked in with "most" people. For me, it takes about 8-9 weeks and then it's ON!

I am just about finishing up with a 20 week Anadrol/Test/Deca/Tren cycle with amazing results. I run 750mg Test E, 400mg Deca, 50mg Tren Ace ED. I like to shoot 3ccs (2cc Test and 1cc Deca) on Monday and 2cc (1cc Test and 1cc Deca) on Thursday. I took the Abombs at 50mg ED for 2 weeks then bumped to 100mg ED. 3-4k calories on off days and 6-8k calories on training days. Cardio twice a week limited to 45 minute walks with a little jog in there a bit. I've never had Deca dick and with the Deca/Tren I'm not shut down. A little testicular shrinkage, but that's ok with me. I don't want my testes sticking to my leg when I sit down. 500iu HCG every 5 days helps with all that. Also, I'm on a boatload of supplements to help my cycle and I get regular blood work done.

Remember though, Test E and Test C are just about the same esters.

[monstermasss]

good cycle rast, and for the hard gainer try to get some muscle milk weight gainer w/ wey protien, i take 3-4 shakes a day and its got 46gms protien and all the calories and some creatine even easy to drink and taste is awsome, try this cause if you are not getting your calories and protien your staying in catabolic state ( your body is eating itself! )

[NoFaith068]

I have got a week left of PCT, and it has been an uphill battle. I lost a few pounds, but as of today I think my test levels may be kicking back in. It feels great - sex drive is back and everything. I cut my calories back slightly and lowered the intensity on the training a little and actually gained a pound the past couple of days. Am going to wait another 8-12 weeks before I begin the next cycle.

Already have Deca, Dianabol, am looking for a new source for the test since my body didn't react well to the British Dragon.

[NoFaith068]

I'm thinking about switching the deca out for equipoise the last half of the cycle to see how my body reacts to the drug. Any thoughts on this?

[bignatt]

i would go with EQ for the whole cycle

[NoFaith068]

Okay guys, I know this seems like a dead thread now, but it's coming up time for me to do another cycle (had to take some appropriate time off). Throwing my last cycle out there for review and critique. Let me know what you all think!

Enanthate @ 500-650mg/week (depends if I see any signs of erecticle disfunction due to Deca) 1-13
Deca 375mg/week (My bottles are 250mg/ml, so this measurement is just easier - should that 25mg/week really make a difference) 1-12
Dbol 40mgs/day Weeks 1-6

[NoFaith068]

Bump?

[Boyindasouth]

For his height, 13 lbs lean mass isnt bad at all keep up what you are doing.

[NoFaith068]

I've actually since put on more weight, the initial loss seemed to be all water retention due to the Nolvadex.

Anyways...what do you think of the next cycle?

[Kale]

Cycle is good. I would only run the dbol for five weeks but thats your choice.

[NoFaith068]

I was thinking of making this adjustment anyways for simplicity sake (would have to purchase an additional case just for that extra week).

[NoFaith068]

Okay...all gear's in.

I still have not completely recovered from a nasty case of bacne that I recieved after PCT from my last cycle. So until this stuff clears up I won't be starting. Antibiotics seem to be working well, so it should only be a week or so. Am psyched up to be on again

[Booz]

you shouldnt be starting until you have had time on+pct = time off....................that is unless you have had your bloodwork done and everythin is aok..................

[NoFaith068]

you shouldnt be starting until you have had time on+pct = time off....................that is unless you have had your bloodwork done and everythin is aok..................

Hey bud, sorry I didn't reply to this sooner. I did my last 10 week cycle in Janurary. Not including two week down time and PCT, this has been a little over a full 10 weeks. Backnee is still around some but i've got meds helping out with that now.

[NoFaith068]

I don't really want to start a new throad and whore, so i'll be continuing information about this cycle on this thread.

Here's the final cycle i'm going with:

Enanthate @ 500-650mg/week 1-13
Deca 375mg/week 1-12
Dbol 40mgs/day Weeks 1-5

I want to plan my PCT ahead of time to have everything on hand when needing. I have Nolva on hand just in case, and enough Clomid to last for a basic 3-week PCT. Are there any specific details I should be adding to this PCT? Do you you guys thnk HCG should be used?