FinaPlex (Trenbolone Acetate) First Time

[FrostByte]

I've kinda been against Steriods for a long time because of it being illegal. Pretty stupid considering I do other illegal shit that is worse so go figure lol. I guess maybe it was always just scared of injections.

Well my cousin has taken steriods a few times. Testosterone a couple years ago and now he is taking Trenbolone Acetate. After seeing the results he was getting I couldn't resist but to try it myself.

My question is being this is the FIRST time I have ever done any type of steriods is this a good start? I don't really want to get huge. All I wanna do mainly is pack on some muscle but mostly lose a lot of body fat. He mentioned that his supplier told him this stuff is good for ripping you up more then building you. I've been taking it about two weeks now and I see results as far as muscle goes but not much notice in fat loss. Is there any other type of steriods better for ripping?

[goose]

Yes Trenbolone Acetate is the best AAS for cutting (ripping).It can have very heavy sides,so it`s usually for the advanced.Welcome to AR we have a great search button top right,as research is the key.

How old are you?

How long you been working out?

What are your current stat`s?

How much protein do you eat?

[anaBROLIC]

Yes Trenbolone Acetate is the best AAS for cutting (ripping).It can have very heavy sides,so it`s usually for the advanced.Welcome to AR we have a great search button top right,as research is the key.

How old are you?

How long you been working out?

What are your current stat`s?

How much protein do you eat?

bump for answers to these very important questions.

[Erwin]

Welcome to the board. First thing is to post your stats, height weight training experience. Also you aren't going to find to many people keen on you doing a tren only cycle. Especially for your first one. I did it though and had good results. If you aren't noticing any fat loss double check your diet. And are you prepared for PCT?

[FrostByte]

Yes Trenbolone Acetate is the best AAS for cutting (ripping).It can have very heavy sides,so it`s usually for the advanced.Welcome to AR we have a great search button top right,as research is the key.

How old are you? 27

How long you been working out? I've worked out a lot in high school. Some after high school. Recently I started working out again and have been for about three months or so. I keep decently in shape because I work in attics doing a/c duct work and what not.

What are your current stat`s? I have no clue about body fat. I need to measure body fat here soon. It's a lot I have a long ways to go lol. I weight 210 lbs. At 5'5". I'll see about posting a picture of myself so you guys can see.

How much protein do you eat? I haven't calculated the protein I eat but I eat as much as I can. I'd guess around 100 to 150 grams of protein a day. With protein bars and the food intake. I eat a lot of chicken breasts and Tuna Fish.

Answers ^^^

[biglouie250]

tren is NOT a good steroid to take first. you should probably visit the diet forum first and read till you want to smash your PC. then read some more. Diet is the most important factor. not juice.

[NCNPC29]

I don't want to piss on your parade bro and whatever you do I wish you the best but from your responses to the questions you are extrememly green. I highly suggest you learn something (not more) about nutrition and training. You wanna lose body fat? Learn about dieting and cardio etc. I'm not trying to be a dick but it's hard for me to respect someone that doesnt know much about nutrion, training or gear (and only been training 3 months) and just wants to go ahead and start blasting some tren "because their cousin does it".... Come on man, damn put in a little hard work????!!!!!????

[FrostByte]

I don't want to piss on your parade bro and whatever you do I wish you the best but from your responses to the questions you are extrememly green. I highly suggest you learn something (not more) about nutrition and training. You wanna lose body fat? Learn about dieting and cardio etc. I'm not trying to be a dick but it's hard for me to respect someone that doesnt know much about nutrion, training or gear (and only been training 3 months) and just wants to go ahead and start blasting some tren "because their cousin does it".... Come on man, damn put in a little hard work????!!!!!????

Look man I'm not going to take anything you have said personal I wanna make that clear before I even say anything else. I have been working out on and off since my junior high school years. I know plenty enough about nutrition maybe not an expert but I know enough.

To clear something up I didn't do it just because my cousin does it. I am doing it because I seen results from him doing it. You act like you are talking to some kid or something. I've been around this isn't my first rodeo. I've taken many of different supplements in the past which have shown results but not fast enough results to satisfy me. So I turned to steriods because my cousin has a supplier and I've seen results on him with my own eyes.

I may know hardly anything about steriods which I hope to learn more about on this forum as I get time to read, but that doesn't mean I don't know anything about working out, nutrition, dieting, cardio, or whatever else. I do plenty of cardio and I might not be on the best diet. Unlike some people I can't exactly afford to spend hundreds of dollars on good food. Considering that the best foods for you are way more expensive then others. I put myself on a budget just to get the steriods which cost me buying more food. I understand that I have to change that and hopefully my job offers me more money soon so I can do just that.

Just had to straighten all that up since you seem to have gotten the wrong impression because you didn't take the time to properly read my thread. Instead you jumped to conclusions before you knew the real deal and you want to talk about respect? That's pretty funny.

[Bigmax]

Hey bro...ok by the sounds of your post above you did take it personally....but the man telling you the truth ..you answered the question and it shows that you're not ready to use AAS...you'veonly been training for few months for starters and you really need to get your nutrition together.You also said that you dont have alot of money to spend on good food.Thats fine...dont spend money on AAS...spend it on more food!!!I wont even get in to the fact that you're considering tren as your first cycle cause some of the guys already told you that its not a good idea for the first cycle....i will tell you to use tren on the first cycle after guys that know told you not to is just plain stupid(no offense bro)Now what you need to do now is look into the training forum and the diet forum and get plan going for your self and get a good base then you can look into using AAS.Do that and we are all willing to help you.

[FrostByte]

Thanks for the posts I'll definitely keep reading I have no problem doing that. I know I should have done more reading before I jumped into taking anything. I trusted my cousin because he's done these sorta things before although he isn't an expert with AAS either. I started my third week Sunday for this cycle so I guess I'll keep it up till it's threw. I realise that might be stupid but things seem to be going good so far so I'd hate to just stop but I will think it threw and consider stopping if that's really what I need to do.

[Bigmax]

Damn bro ok ...do you know what pct is????

[Erwin]

If he is three weeks in maybe some of the senior guys could give him some advice on coming off so his levels aren't all over the place. I wouldn't have the first clue what to tell him and learned a long time ago to keep my mouth shut if I don't know. Thanks DAD!

[Bigmax]

Thats what i'm trying to do here ERWIN.

[SwoleCat]

Your best bet is to post pictures of how you look RIGHT NOW.

That would pretty much yield the answers.

~SC~

[SwoleCat]

Never mind, I see u already started so that doesn't matter at all.

Carry on..........

~SC~

[Erwin]

Good deal BIGMAX hopefully you can help before he hurts himself

[groundandpoundpwr21]

What cycle did you end up going with incase I miss read this post?

[Twisted_Steele]

I can't exactly afford to spend hundreds of dollars on good food. Considering that the best foods for you are way more expensive then others.

My bulking diet has a strong backbone of chicken, tuna, potatoes, and oatmeal. Lots of it in the right proportions. These things are cheap. Most people spend more money by eating at McDonald's once or twice a day every day. You don't have to spend $50 on a jug of protien powder which will get you about 1000 or so grams of protien. $50 will get you 100 cans of tuna which will get you about 3000 grams of protien. You can build a cheap diet that works well.

And steroids don't take the place of diet, they complement it. You have to have the right diet for the gear to work right. You can't expect to shoot up, do a set or two of a couple of exercises, eat about 80grams of protien 200 grams of fat and expect to gain 30 pounds of lean mass. Just won't happen. Food is just as important as the gear.

[FrostByte]

This is pretty much what I try to eat just about everyday. The chicken breast I am talking about is Tyson Brand. They are already cooked there is two different types Mesquite and Teriyaki flavors. They have anywheres from 17 to 19 g of protein in each one.

Breakfast - Two chicken breast.
Workout from 6 am to 8 am before going to work.
Then I eat one chicken breast, can of tuna fish, protein shake, and then I take 3 Amino pills. (Body Fortress Premium Amino 3000)
10 P.M. - One chicken breast
Lunch - Two chicken breast and a can of tuna fish.
3:30 P.M. - One chicken breast and protein bar.
Dinner (Never after 7 P.M.) - One chicken breast, Half a skillet of Stir Fry Veggies with no oils just seasoning.

I do pretty close to the same thing everyday.

[FrostByte]

Damn bro ok ...do you know what pct is????

I wasn't award of PCT till just reading about it. $45 is a lot of money for that. It won't be anytime soon that I can even afford to buy something like that.

[taiboxa]

I wasn't award of PCT till just reading about it. $45 is a lot of money for that. It won't be anytime soon that I can even afford to buy something like that.

wow ABSOLUTLY PATHETIC! ur running a cycle w/ out a clue of how to fully recover!~ just keep wasting ur $ or better yet SPEND IT ON FOOD kuz god knows ur going to need it!

[NCNPC29]

This is pretty much what I try to eat just about everyday. The chicken breast I am talking about is Tyson Brand. They are already cooked there is two different types Mesquite and Teriyaki flavors. They have anywheres from 17 to 19 g of protein in each one.

Breakfast - Two chicken breast.
Workout from 6 am to 8 am before going to work.
Then I eat one chicken breast, can of tuna fish, protein shake, and then I take 3 Amino pills. (Body Fortress Premium Amino 3000)
10 P.M. - One chicken breast
Lunch - Two chicken breast and a can of tuna fish.
3:30 P.M. - One chicken breast and protein bar.
Dinner (Never after 7 P.M.) - One chicken breast, Half a skillet of Stir Fry Veggies with no oils just seasoning.

I do pretty close to the same thing everyday.

I didn't disrepect you at all or jump to any conclusions IMO. If you feel I did then I apologize for that. From your posts (which I did read) I can tell you need to learn more about the fundamentals and have some type of discipline towards the gym/nutrution before you start using gear. Starting off with the resume of "working out off and on since junior high" "been working out 3 months now" "started tren because my cousin did and he showed results" just does not bode well with me. Sorry. Have you taken into any type of consideration your cousins genetics? How he will respond differently to anabolics than you? How he eats and his body metabolizes food? It's just a pet peeve of mine when people think they can just jump on a cycle and it's the magic pill/shot. More than one respected member of this board agreed with me ie Bigmax and Tai. But you don't have to listen to me. I am more than happy to share any knowledge I have but I'm still going to express my opinion and try to lead you in the right direction. Good luck

[goose]

wow ABSOLUTLY PATHETIC! ur running a cycle w/ out a clue of how to fully recover!~ just keep wasting ur $ or better yet SPEND IT ON FOOD kuz god knows ur going to need it!

Listen to this guy,or he will reverse your blood..........

[FrostByte]

Is that not a good diet? Should I take away or add anything to it?

It's kewl NCNPC29 no harm no foul. I'm glad everyone is trying to help.

[NCNPC29]

This should be posted in the diet forum but I would make some moderate changes based on the info provided. Again this is just my opinion and there are far more knowledgable members on this site.

1st - Why do you work out in the morning? Do you work really late into the day or is that just your prefernce? You are trying to get to a lower BF% so my first suggestion would be to do cardio in the morning on an empty stomach for 45 minutes. Train after you work and add 30 minutes of cardio after training (except leg day). I also have no idea what your split is, what your intensity in the gym is like, how many reps sets you are doing.

2nd - From what you posted it appears you are on Zero carbs except what you are getting from some veggies (unless I missed something). If you are trying to burn fat and you are on that low fat diet with zero carbs eventually your bodys going to start eating muscle. I'd throw some carbs in. Low Glycemic carbs i.e. brown rice, sweet potato, Oatmeal. I'd rotate your carbs... 1st day 150 grams, 2nd day 75 grams, 3rd day 40..then start the rotation over. See how that goes and how your body responds and you may need to manipulate from there. I would guess your LBM to be around 170 so I would keep my protein around 275 to 300. If you can I would stick to whole foods instead of shakes. Shakes digest extremely fast, your body does not have to work to break that down. When you are taking in whole meals your body has to break that food down, hence your metabolisim will start working.

As far as spending lots of money on food, it would serve you better to join a Sams Club, Costco, BJ's etc. I buy the majority of all my food there and save tons of money.

I didn't want to get any more detailed than that because like I said this should be in the diet forum so I apologize to the members for posting this hear, hopefully I won't get flamed for it...lololol

Hope this helps some.

[longhorn814]

wow bro, you jumped into this way too soon. Why would you inject something into your body that you dont even know what it does? Would you reach under the kitchen sink and just drink the first bottle you grab? If you want to lose fat, that comes down to diet and cardio. Steroids do NOT burn fat. They are used to preserve muscle while on a calorie restricted diet. You do not need steroids!!!! Taking tren alone is a bad idea, especially since its quite likely that your dick will stop working soon b/c youre shut down and not producing any test and youre not taking any test with it either!!! This is why you need to research before you take anything. You need to do PCT. This is an absolute must if you want to keep your gains and get your natural test productiong going as quick as possible when you come off. If you dont do PCT, I guarantee your dick will not be working for a long time either!!

[FrostByte]

This should be posted in the diet forum but I would make some moderate changes based on the info provided. Again this is just my opinion and there are far more knowledgable members on this site.

1st - Why do you work out in the morning? Do you work really late into the day or is that just your prefernce? You are trying to get to a lower BF% so my first suggestion would be to do cardio in the morning on an empty stomach for 45 minutes. Train after you work and add 30 minutes of cardio after training (except leg day). I also have no idea what your split is, what your intensity in the gym is like, how many reps sets you are doing.

2nd - From what you posted it appears you are on Zero carbs except what you are getting from some veggies (unless I missed something). If you are trying to burn fat and you are on that low fat diet with zero carbs eventually your bodys going to start eating muscle. I'd throw some carbs in. Low Glycemic carbs i.e. brown rice, sweet potato, Oatmeal. I'd rotate your carbs... 1st day 150 grams, 2nd day 75 grams, 3rd day 40..then start the rotation over. See how that goes and how your body responds and you may need to manipulate from there. I would guess your LBM to be around 170 so I would keep my protein around 275 to 300. If you can I would stick to whole foods instead of shakes. Shakes digest extremely fast, your body does not have to work to break that down. When you are taking in whole meals your body has to break that food down, hence your metabolisim will start working.

As far as spending lots of money on food, it would serve you better to join a Sams Club, Costco, BJ's etc. I buy the majority of all my food there and save tons of money.

I didn't want to get any more detailed than that because like I said this should be in the diet forum so I apologize to the members for posting this hear, hopefully I won't get flamed for it...lololol

Hope this helps some.

Sorry for asking on this thread. I didn't see a lot of sense in reposting another thread when this one was already going but I understand the rules and won't do it again. I applogise for that.

I try to only drink one or two shakes a day with only one scoop because I know it digests so fast. That's why I mostly eat food for my protein. I do need to add some carbs in. I definitely don't want my body eating the muscle I'm gaining. Me and my body is going to fight if that happens lol.

Sams is a good place to shop I go to Wal-Mart a lot too. Sams is cheaper but it's about a 20 miles trip to get to the nears sams kinda sucks.

[FrostByte]

Oh BTW the reason I working in the morning is because I work in attics the majority of the time. My cousin is an A/C Tech and Installer. We install Central systems doing duct work and all that. After being in an attic all day long sweating my ass off I feel to wore out to go to the gym. I wouldn't mind waiting a couple hours and hitting the gym once my body recooperates from the hot attics but I live about 15 miles from the gym. The way gas prices are right now I wouldn't be able to afford to drive there everyday. Thats another reason I ride with my cousin to the gym saves me gas. Working out in the morning makes me feel good all day long. It seems to workout better for me.

[Lavinco]

Wow!

And I thought I was a know-it-all when I found this site.

I have just been beat.

[I Stand Alone]

Is it just me or is the diet the least important thing in this thread.......not having any idea about PCT or better yet not willing to spend $45 on it to prevent possible health issues the more important issue? I may not be the person to talk you into looking more into PCT, I am sure you will look at my thread count and figure i am a newbie... someone with Vet by there name needs to try to get this point across...forget diet, losing body fat, cardio whatever.. make sure you are taking care of your body during and after cycle and have the resources on hand in case something does start to go wrong! This is down right scary!

[Twisted_Steele]

I wasn't award of PCT till just reading about it. $45 is a lot of money for that. It won't be anytime soon that I can even afford to buy something like that.

That may be the most important $45 you will ever spend. Without the right ancillaries, you could end up with gyno. Without the right PCT you could not only lose your gains, but screw up your natural test levels.

[NCNPC29]

Is it just me or is the diet the least important thing in this thread.......not having any idea about PCT or better yet not willing to spend $45 on it to prevent possible health issues the more important issue? I may not be the person to talk you into looking more into PCT, I am sure you will look at my thread count and figure i am a newbie... someone with Vet by there name needs to try to get this point across...forget diet, losing body fat, cardio whatever.. make sure you are taking care of your body during and after cycle and have the resources on hand in case something does start to go wrong! This is down right scary!

I agree about the PCT but the point was that he shouldn't have even been using yet.

[FrostByte]

After hearing you guys talk about PCT and me reading a lot about it the last couple days I'm definitely going to save up and get some soon I hope. Thanks a lot for all your suggestions and knowledge. It's all appreciated and I've learned a lot from it and reading on these forums. I hope to learn a lot more. Thanks again everyone!

[Bigmax]

Hey bro glad you're doing some research but let me be the first to tell you get the pct asap...no joke

[Twisted_Steele]

After hearing you guys talk about PCT and me reading a lot about it the last couple days I'm definitely going to save up and get some soon I hope.

Not just the PCT but get some bromo or letro too. Trust me, I know from experience...I've run tren alone and got a touch of gyno and that shit was hard to get rid of and I caught it very early. You don't want to wait till it shows up and then start saving up to get some help.

[RobbieG]

this guy is going to Oprah with "steroids won´t work!!they´ll ruin your life!!" story´s

[macktownmac]

man... im doing my second tren ace cycle, with Test prop, its some pretty strong stuff....

NO TEST?? hows the sex drive, you must be shutting down by now.... take a loan out if you have to, get the proper PCT, with out it your going to be comming off tren hard... hope you dont mess your self up in the long term

[magic32]

This is pretty much what I try to eat just about everyday. The chicken breast I am talking about is Tyson Brand. They are already cooked there is two different types Mesquite and Teriyaki flavors. They have anywheres from 17 to 19 g of protein in each one.

Breakfast - Two chicken breast.
Workout from 6 am to 8 am before going to work.
Then I eat one chicken breast, can of tuna fish, protein shake, and then I take 3 Amino pills. (Body Fortress Premium Amino 3000)
10 P.M. - One chicken breast
Lunch - Two chicken breast and a can of tuna fish.
3:30 P.M. - One chicken breast and protein bar.
Dinner (Never after 7 P.M.) - One chicken breast, Half a skillet of Stir Fry Veggies with no oils just seasoning.

I do pretty close to the same thing everyday.

There's the problem...you're retarding your metabolism. Macronutrients include Carbs, Fats, and PROTEIN, not just protein.

Those 7pm veggies are the only thing keeping you close to regular, add some fiber (apples, pears, tablets, Metamucil, something) during the day. Get a multi and some EFA’s (tuna is not a good source). And by all means perform some searches on carb cycling. Visit the diet forum, you'll be fine.

M.

[magic32]

this guy is going to Oprah with "steroids won´t work!!they´ll ruin your life!!" story´s

Yep!
I hate those guys/episodes.

M.

[FrostByte]

My sex drive is just fine I haven't had any problems what so ever where that is concerned. I've added noodles to my diet yesterday to help me get carbs. I'm going to add sweet potatoes here soon also. I need to add a bit more fat to my diet also but from the stuff I'm eating I'm getting a bit of fat also but not enough from what I'm hearing. I do take two multivitamins every morning, a B-12 1000 mcg, and 1680 mb cranberry pill. I forgot to mention those in my other posts. I've been taking that since I started working out even before I got on tren. If you guys have some more suggestions after reading this please be sure to share thanks a lot for your help it's greatly appreciated!