parabolan / primobolan ??

[sigoo]

hi thier all,

my stats are :
i'm 30 , 5.8 " , 160 BF% ? but not fat. training for 10 years. i play karate. want to gain lean musle and lose fat not very important to gain too much waight. i was thinking of this cycle like so :
tren 1-6 100 mg/w. primo 400 mg/w
then 2 weeks pct nova and clomid

i dont want to get in to test cuz i'm sensative to gyno. and dont what to effect my sex life or my equipment in any way.
oh and this will be my first cycle.

what do you think, plz advise

thanks

[BG]

Put some more weight on naturally, hang around learn and research. Lets hear about your diet also, seems like it may need to be worked on a bit.Oh ya welcome aboard.

[sigoo]

yah , but what do you think of that cycle thats my question.

work out more !! if i could do that would you think that i would use riods ?
i think i reached my genetical bareier.

[BG]

You can always gain more by changing diet, training and rest. Cycle sucs IMO.

[Liftnainez]

yah , but what do you think of that cycle thats my question.

work out more !! if i could do that would you think that i would use riods ?
i think i reached my genetical bareier.

I can assure you at 160 lbs you did not come close to reaching your genetic barier

[Hellmaskbanned]

I can assure you at 160 lbs you did not come close to reaching your genetic barier

^^^^

He must have shitty genetics.

[Liftnainez]

^^^^

He must have shitty genetics.

yea just like everyone... haha

[pdog80]

Damn it, I knew I forgot something. Thanx for covering the AI for me bajan.

[sigoo]

dude i tryed every thing thier is. its been 10 years sice i started. did all i can and still the same stats. see thats ok for me cuz like i said im now playing karate. so just need about 10- 15 lb more.

[sigoo]

do you think this cycle will give the 10 - 15 lb ?

[sigoo]

and is it safe, i friend is telling me tren can be very harsh. what could that mean ? and what do you think about it?

[pdog80]

Dude, I already answered your other post which is very similar to this one.
Anyways, I doubt that you've reached your genetic potential because your 5'8, 160. You may need to work on your diet or routine or both. First of all, your caloric intake needs to be high if you wanna put on muscle. I'm talking about at least 3500 cals per day. Also, do not even consider tren for your first cycle. It's not for noobs. The side effects are very harsh and I know a couple people that have quit their cycles mid way because they couldn't handle the sides. Listen, when I first started lifting, I was 160. After 3 years of natural training, I gained 15 pounds of muscle. I'm 5'7" and right now weigh 205 w/10% bf. So if your 5'8, 160, I think there is room for you to grow w/o AAS for now. Just my two cents.

[pdog80]

But after all my advice, if you still insist on a cycle, then I would suggest a test only cycle. Test cyp or e at 400-500mgs/week for 12 weeks with proper PCT. Also, if you diet and routine suck while on cycle, your not gonna grow.

[sigoo]

come on, help me out here !

[BG]

Tren is harsh, especially for the your first time, I already told you, your not ready IMO.

[sigoo]

then what would you recomend ? primo only or what ?

[sigoo]

i really thank you for your help. but know how it is man. theres a turnament here in kuwait for karate. and i want to kick ass. but also the safest way poseble.

o'm alway training with supplements. to get all the things my body needs but i have a very high motablisim.

[sigoo]

i try to eat 5 meals a day. at the end its almost 3500-4000 cal. but it burns like hell in kuwait and my training is very intense. both the liftting and the karate

[sigoo]

thank you pdog80 for the reply. i think that i will change my mind on the tren but you know how it is bro, i will take the primo and will tell you how it goes. if not what i needed then i will do what you said.

thanks to bigguns101 too.

[BajanBastard]

100mg tren and 400mg primo weekly for 6 weeks? That cycle should give you a 1/2 pound or so.

Look, as bigguns said try adjusting you diet and start gaining some more weight, then when you have the aspect of constantly eating to gaining and maintaining lean body weight you can start a cycle if you wish.

400mg testosterone enanthate/cypionate weekly with .5mg letrozole ED.