thinking of planning for my first

[IronReload04]

Here is the deal. I made up my mind when i was 16 that i wanted to do this shit. I am currently 20 years old. The time i am thinking of doing this would put me a couple months away from 21

I have a real solid base. real solid lifts. and a real solid regeme (dc)

I am thinking of doing this around december if i choose to do so


Just to put it out there, im currently 5'8, 210, 12-14 bf

Bench (which i shouldnt be doing on dc)- 265-275 for 10
squat- 355 7 ass to grass, 300 20 ass to grass
deadlift- 485 for 3, cant remember off hand what a higher rep set would be
(and these lifts arnt bullshit. there not hte bull shit you see on you tube. they are done in a strict and controlled fashion with full rom. no bullshit bounces or any bullshit like that)

got the diet down. its not to complicated, over 2 and a half pounds of meat, and boatloads of brown rice, stay strict around junk food and plenty of powder comes out to 360 g protein a day. will take it up t obviously the body can handle more when on juice




I was thinking about about doing this around december, i have a long winter break, and intend to just work a stupidly easy job, and just eat and eat and eat and eat, become an offensive lineman if i have to and just gain as much mass as humanly possible, then diet down to somthing respectable after i recover from pct


I was kind of thinking of going with prop. reasons being, i have the security to stop quicky if somthing goes wrong, less bloat. bloat kind of scares me because it raises blood pressure, in which case, i have no medical problems, i just want to be safe. I am planning on doing the standard 500 mg a week

i am not sure if i should go 8 or 10 weeks? If all goes perfectly, are the odds very good that my test levels will return to normal after pct? how bad is the bloat on enenthate, do you ever feel like your on your deathbed because of the bloat with the high blood pressure?

IN all honosty, i dont NEED to do steroids. I am still making great natural progress. however, i dont thing to many people can be elite without them. I have made the decision that every bodybuilder makes. and i have chosen that i want to be elite, and the bottom line is, there is only one way to get a place at the table. i know i am still making natural progress, but thats because diet and training are on the money. i want to take it to the next level. I am doing this for the same reason all of you are, to make elite status and to get there faster


I am really thinking of holding off until 22 or 23. or, do just 1 cycle in december and then wait till im 23 to do it again. my mind isnt made up yet, but i want to do it this year

as a side note, i have limited aas experience. i did some stupid ass 1-test when i was 17, and have been clean ever since. did a couple six weekers, it was retarted, it was a crap compound which didnt work, i wouldnt even count it as steroids

[SMAN12b]

Well, not much to say here, you answered your own questions, you are still young and making progress. Not a time to add AAS to the mix yet and risk messing up your natural HPTA and the gains ou are making.
IF you can hold out a year or two just think of the solid base you would have to work off of , You would be a monster!!!!!

But given the time you have been a member on this board, I doubt you are going to wait much longer, I advise against it, but if you decide to do it, then at least do it right and start off with just a single compound , single Ester Test for 10-12 weeks with proper PCT. if your diet is as you say, then you will make great gains off of that cycle and you will learn how your body reacts to it.

Keep reading here and make sure you are willing to take the risk of your natural progress. I would personally wait until I was 24-25, but if you think you are gonna make a career out of it, i understand your wanting to get ahead quicker, just dont' risk your health doing it.

Good luck with whatever you decide and keep us posted

_______
SMAN

[Bigmax]

Guy quite honestly after reading your post I think you need to do more reading before starting anything bro.You're all over the place....youve made up your mind but you really dont need them(in your own words)..if you're still making natural progress then dont squander that by shutting it down just cause you want to use AAS.Continue to make progress on ytour own then later you can try something after you have exhausted your own natural progress....believe me youll get farther in the long run.....Now youve made a decision that a bodybuilder would make yet you say you're going to be a lineman...WTF???

[Bigmax]

Well SMAN and I are kinda ...sorta on the same page except i wouldnt tell you to take anything.

[SMAN12b]

Well SMAN and I are kinda ...sorta on the same page except i wouldnt tell you to take anything.

Well I agree with you Bigmax and that is why i but the bold larger print in my post.
Just wanted to make sure if he does do it, he goes at least in the right direction.....

Hopefully he will take advantage of the natural gains he is still making. what I would give to have that again!!

[Bigmax]

You're right!!!!...as always...LOL..

[HORSE~]

To the thread starter if you can type a thread this long with out the use of aas you dont need them yet

To poster 2 and 3 yall are gay.... ROFL!!!!

[SMAN12b]

To the thread starter if you can type a thread this long with out the use of aas you dont need them yet

To poster 2 and 3 yall are gay.... ROFL!!!!

which one am I again????...am I 2 or 3 but you will always be #1 Horse

[HORSE~]

Why thank you sweetie..... LOL

You were poster number 2 BTW

[IronReload04]

Guy quite honestly after reading your post I think you need to do more reading before starting anything bro.You're all over the place....youve made up your mind but you really dont need them(in your own words)..if you're still making natural progress then dont squander that by shutting it down just cause you want to use AAS.Continue to make progress on ytour own then later you can try something after you have exhausted your own natural progress....believe me youll get farther in the long run.....Now youve made a decision that a bodybuilder would make yet you say you're going to be a lineman...WTF???

Let me clarify some things.

1. I am not making a career out of this. I want to be more like vic richards. except i wont ever take that much shit

2. offensive lineman like dorian yates off season. eating absurd amounts of brown rice and chicken to ramp my weight up and leverage extremely heavy weight

3. imho........nobody really NEEDS steroids. if diet and training are smart like it should be, NOBODY should ever stop progressing, i dont give a shit how big and strong you are, you can always eat more and gain more naturally. muscle gain is infinite, even naturally, but me and everyone on this site wants to be elite like i said before

4. HIGHLIGHT AND STAR THIS ONE.

since enough of the older, wiser, and experienced guys advise me to wait anohther year or 2, i think thats what i will do. maybe 1, 22 or 23 does sound better. not as good as 24 or 25 though, but we will see how it goes.





I think me and many guys on this website have a very strong drive deep down inside of us to be the best. and its crushing not to be the best when some of your peers are on another level of the playing field. I am just being honost. and i acknowledge starting earlier for those reasons are starting for the wrong reasons. But man, we all want to be the creme of the crop, and like i said before, its tough mentally to accept that those peers not on an even playing field may at the moment be better than you. its tough to accept and it kills me inside. even though obviously when you break it down its an ego thing, as shitty as that sounds, i am just being truthful because i feel i can be open here. And i have nothing to be ahsamed of, i think i have already build a base that not alot of people achieve naturally(relative to the entire weight lifting population). So there you have it

the best decicion i can make right now is to hold off like you guys said

[IronReload04]

instead what i think i will do, is this, do the off season dorian yates type thing for 4 months, but do it naturally .

[IronReload04]

go from like september through december, and start dieting down in like january

[SMAN12b]

I am impressed and very proud of you !!! I think it is the right way to go! and we will be here when you are ready.!

[Bigmax]

OK bro....sounds good!!!...hey horse you're still my NO.1 BIATCH!!!!!lol...