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i dont plan on this because i love going to the gym but i was just wondering
could an athlete that is participating in daily intense practices with intense conditioning and intense drilling, and also using AAS, and not lifting weights.. still see the benefits?
im assuming that the gains would be mroe geared towards the activity.. more speed and strength in the motions performed, but not as much size and strength as what are commonly associated with AAS
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Originally Posted by one8nine
You wouldn't be at a very high level in your sport if you never weight train.
But yes , aas would help you get stronger in what you practice in sport wise,,....Sprints=faster , Jumps=Higer. But if you didn't lift you wouldn't be competitive in anything but golf/fishing/nascar or poker LMAO!
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Steve Abas who is an olympic silver medalist in freestyle wrestling stated that 90% of his training IS wrestling, he runs 1 or 2 times a month and weight trains 1-2 times a month. im not saying he is everybody but im saying its possible to be competative without weight training.
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He's full of shit.
What year was this 1909? LOL
Every top notch competitor lifts to some degree.
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this most recent olympics
why would he lie about that
im just saying its possible to make it without weights, especially in wrestling where agression and technique hold a higher hand than pure muscular strength
but also curious about the effects of AAS when doing it that way
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He is lyeing plain & simple. OFF SEASON he incorporates more weights!
During season I could see him wrestleing more often with few weight sessions just to maintain strength. + Many athletes don't give out there training secrets.
+ In wrestling it doesnt matter how aggressive you are if your to weak to make it useful.
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why would he lie about that? why would he give out bad advice that he doesnt believe in? olypic athletes dont have an off season.
and as to the training secrets... if he DID work out often how woudl that be a secret? its not like people would be liek OH SHIT THIS OLYMPIC ATHLETE WORKS OUT AT THE GYM ALL THE TIME THATS THE SECRET ILL DO IT TOO
your last statement is very true to a point but i have seen ugly guys with no muscle definition and bitch tits, or guys that are skinny as hell and dont look like atletes at all beat the crap out of people who look like BBers just because they have their technique down
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Olympic athletes don't have an off season!? Thats new to me!
They train the same throughout the whole year....Don't think so. I compete in an olympic sport and I must say there is different training for offseason and during your actual time of competition Aka season.
And to your other point about skinny/ugly/bitch tit guys beating ppl who look like bbers. Strength isnt of use if not known how to use it...Technique! Just because they dont look like bodybuilders doesnt mean they arent strong as hell! At the olympic level the smaller guys strength may surprise you.
They all lift to some degree. Its not as important as the actual sport training but its important.
& there may be a few , make that a 1% who dont lift but they are not involved in a explosive sport.
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help recovery , modivation , prevent muscle damage and increased performance i would think. dont know how theyd go in pct though as im sure theyd end up samller bmi than they started at
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Who knows...maybe...Could have just stretched the truth a little...
Want to buy a bridge brotha.....
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you have no idea what he does. you make it sound like you know him.He is lyeing plain & simple. OFF SEASON he incorporates more weights!
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Simple rule, the biggest and strongest players rule the field, in almost any sport!!
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Steroids help you recover faster from whatever activity you are performing. You must, however, push your body further while on AAS to reap the benefits of the added intensity and recovery. Doing AAS and doing the same things you did while off will not do much but maybe give you a mental edge.
Most of us see adding muscle mass and strength as the most beneficial way of using gear, but hey, to each his own.
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Some times I wonder if athletes tell lies deliberately to shake off their competitors
I mean, if they want that new kid who`s breathing down their neck to get out of competition form you just tell the media that 90% of your training consists of curlin up in a fetal position and squeeze your body togheter as hard as you can, and voila, the rest of the field are out as they`ve been doing that for six months instead of training properly.
A former workout partner of mine is a professional strongman and he said that body builders would lie about their routines and diets all the time in magazines; he knows some of the pros so its probably true.
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this was at a training session where we pay for him to teach us technique and give advice for a day why would he mislead a bunch of guys trying to learn and paying him to help. at the oplympic level, im sure the other competators KNOW HOW TO TRAIN, and are not going to change their routene to copy someone else. the other olympians wont say "oh steve says he doesnt lift so ill stop lifting cause i dont need to"
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To answer the question, YES. If you took AAS and only did bodystrength exercises and conditioning you would advance more than without it. A study published in the New England Journal of medicine found that couch pottatoes who took test for a given time period(20 weeks I think)gained lean muscle mass and lost fat WITHOUT WORKING OUT at all.
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thank you this was the whole point of the thread that no one has paid attention to yet
do you have a link to this journal?
and by the way i have a friend that does deca only cycles and dont work out only works construction and hes been getting a lot bigger with no ill effects except bloating.
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Nah, don't have the link anymnore, been years since I've seen it, really quite funny. You see, they were trying to prove that AAS didn't work to promote muscle growth, and they wound up proving it works better than even we thought. I'll see if I can find it for you though~
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no sweat if you cant
i believe you abuot it thats not why i asked for it
i just wanted to read all of the details of it
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ABSTRACT Background Athletes often take androgenic steroids in an attempt to increase their strength. The ef-ficacy of these substances for this purpose is unsub-stantiated, however.Methods We randomly assigned 43 normal men to one of four groups: placebo with no exercise, tes-tosterone with no exercise, placebo plus exercise, and testosterone plus exercise. The men received in-jections of 600 mg of testosterone enanthate or pla-cebo weekly for 10 weeks. The men in the exercise groups performed standardized weight-lifting exer-cises three times weekly. Before and after the treat-ment period, fat-free mass was determined by un-derwater weighing, muscle size was measured bymagnetic resonance imaging, and the strength ofthe arms and legs was assessed by bench-press and squatting exercises, respectively.ResultsAmong the men in the no-exercise groups, those given testosterone had greater in-creases than those given placebo in muscle size in their arms (mean [ SE] change in triceps area, 424 104 vs. 81 109 mm2; P 0.05) and legs (change in quadriceps area, 607 123 vs. 131 111 mm2; P 0.05) and greater increases in strength in the bench-press (9 4 vs. 1 1 kg, P 0.05) and squatting exercises (16 4 vs. 3 1 kg, P 0.05). The men assigned to testosterone and exercise had greater increases in fat-free mass (6.1 0.6 kg) and muscle size (triceps area, 501 104 mm2; quadriceps area, 1174 91 mm2) than those assigned to either no-exercise group, and greater increases in muscle strength (bench-press strength, 22 2 kg; squatting-exercise capacity, 38 4 kg) than either no-exercise group. Neither mood nor behavior was altered in any group.ConclusionsSupraphysiologic doses of testoster-one, especially when combined with strength train-ing, increase fat-free mass and muscle size and strength in normal men. (N Engl J Med 1996;335:1-7.)©1996, Massachusetts Medical Society.From the Department of Medicine, Charles R. Drew University of Med-icine and Science, Los Angeles (S.B., C.C., B.C.); the Exercise ScienceLaboratory, El Camino College, Torrance, Calif. (T.W.S., T.J.B.); the De-partment of Medicine, Harbor–UCLA Medical Center, Torrance, Calif.(N.B., J.P., R.C.); and the Department of Public Health, Oregon StateUniversity, Corvallis (R.T., A.S.). Address reprint requests to Dr. Bhasin atthe Division of Endocrinology, Metabolism and Molecular Medicine,Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science, 1621 E. 120th St.,MP #2, Los Angeles, CA 90059.NABOLIC–
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thanks good read
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In my first post I answered your question.
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True I have no idea what he does.
But I know to compete as high in the olympic level you have to incorporate weight training in your program.
Did I ever said I know him.Wow very good.....
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Here's a "Rule of Thumb", basically, whenever Shortie speaks listen because he's RIGHT! We're the type of guys that don't generally speculate and when we do it's prefaced as such. For example, "I'm not sure but I'd guess" or "If I were to conjecture".
This happens quite often! For example, "I drenk no milk. Milk is for beebies, when you grow up you drenk beer."Power Viking - Some times I wonder if athletes tell lies deliberately to shake off their competitors
- Arnold
And Mask is right, though he had some fun with your thread, he indeed answered it in his/the very first response.
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LOL your threads are entertaining to read.
When I read that pumping iron qoute of arnold I had a flashback and heard his voice saying it while I read it.AHHHHHHHHHHHH
I don't want anybody to think Im a dick nor am I trying to act like one.
I just told my side of the story. I like to discuss , thats why I'm in a discussion forum Oh Yeah.
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Anyone participating in a progressive training approach where increased strength and/or muscle is fundamental to their continued success can see benefit from AAS as long as diet and rest is properly applied as well.
For instance, take two sprinters.
Sprinter A) Takes his bowl of Weaties in the morning and runs wind sprints on a track for 30 minutes trying to shave a little time off every week.
Sprinter B) Consumes two bowls of Weaties with a scoop of whey, injects 100mg of testosterone propinate and then later heads off to the track for 45 minutes for his wind sprints. Attempting to beat his last time every relay.
Sprinter B will have greater fast twitch growth and thus more powerful legs... he's got the AAS to help generate greater protein synthesis and calorie partitioning for faster recovery a greater supercompensation.
Moral of the story... as long as you are an athlete that could benfiet from increased strength and muscle and are actively engaged in a progressive training program with proper diet and rest - then yes, AAS can help.
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I read a book about 8 years ago that talked about people that dont lift and take ass. it to said the same thing that that shorty was talking about
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I personally avoid any heavy lifting when taking my ass.
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im sorry guy my badIn my first post I answered your question.
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good info guys
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Pride fighting heavyweight champion and one of the greatest fighters in the world Fedor does not lift
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i've seen some kung fu people do some amazing things, without a weight room.
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How do you know? You his training partner?
Fedor Emelianko Is pretty big to not do any weight lifting.
I would think doing cardio type exercises like grappling , sparring, etc. Would make it impossible to be "heavy".
I've seen him do pullups , push ups, & sledge hammer drills, but I've seen very little of his training.....do you know a great deal on his routines?
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I actually just finished 12 week cycle of 400mg test cyp.
I have not gone to the gym or cardio'd once since this cycle.
I decided to try this because I religously go to the gym from september to like May.
My summer schedule makes it very difficult for me to go, somone recommeded to me to try the test as I stopped the gym.
THIS MAY SOUND LIKE A BIG WASTE OF MONEY 2 U,
but believe me when I say I actually grew, I notice it in my trapezius, neck chest and back the most. I am doing pct right now with nolvadex and then will hook it up again around xmas..........
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why on earth would you want to do that? and you're right, that makes absolutely no sense to me.
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Jesus!!!!...ive heard it all now....Fukk me runing!!!
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oh doing nothing for 12 weeks is almost the same thing as being a real athlete
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Yeah, waste of money and an unecessary stress to put on your body unless you were simply using replacement doses...
But a large shoulder girdle is characteristic of a properly virilized male. Men with naturally low testosterone levels will tend to have narrower shoulders (you could be naturally hypogonadal)... and taking an exogenous boost will manifest itself in this area... the upper shoulder girldle is quite sensitize to the androgens.
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