MGF (clarification)

[sd-doggg]

Okay guys, so I recieved some MGF today that took forever to get to me. Im wondering if my unreconstitued MGF is still good even if it was at/below room temp for two to three weeks???

Im also just wondering what the upper limit would be on dosages per muscle???
I know what is recommended but Ive reconstituted with bacteriostatic water so I have a feeling I have to get rid of this stuff quick.

[305GUY]

i recently read something from a known producer and distributer of MGF who said MGF doesnt work... i'd stay away.... but...... thats just me...

[sd-doggg]

lol I read the same thing. I got PEGylated MGF coming monday so I was planning on testing the two one after the other and seeing if I noticed any difference. Wtv. I went ahead with the experiment and i guess my rat will know if the stuffs ok tomorrow.

[Carlito B]

lol I read the same thing. I got PEGylated MGF coming monday so I was planning on testing the two one after the other and seeing if I noticed any difference. Wtv. I went ahead with the experiment and i guess my rat will know if the stuffs ok tomorrow.

The feedback on the PEG mGF has not been good. Although the seller had a good intention at being ********** this did not work.

C

[comradebillyboy]

everything makes me hungry.

[JohnnyB]

The feedback on the PEG mGF has not been good. Although the seller had a good intention at being ********** this did not work.

C

I'll ask again, who is say this besides, you, your boss and the paid backer you have?

JohnnyB

[Gear]

I'll ask again, who is say this besides, you, your boss and the paid backer you have?

JohnnyB

I'd like to know the same thing.

-Gear

[sd-doggg]

Im on the peg mgf and its good stuff. 150mcg twice a week and its working just as well as the regular mgf at 900 mcg for the week. I still feel the effects of the peg mgf two to three days later. I was sent the peg mgf for free because the mgf didnt look like it was getting to me. I haven't heard of many people buying it at all, almost everyone seems to be waiting for more feedback and results before putting there money down (And rightly so). The only real effect so far of the introduction of the pegMGF seems to be declining sales of the old MGF.

[steroid-peptides]

PEG MGF doesn't work. If you want to waste your money, we can sell you some PEG MGF, we have it from our supplier who's getting rid of stock. Better yet, why not buy air in a vial? you'll have the same results as with PEG MGF. The product is worthless, so our suppliers don't want anything to do with it. Why would you?

Why would you waste your money on something that doesn't work is beyond me. I guess ignorance on the topic is widely spread. We don't bother selling it because it would be ripping off the customers, who wants to buy PEG MGF when it's well known the product doesn't work?

Steroid-Peptides
http://www.steroid-peptides.com

[zodiach]

PEG MGF doesn't work. If you want to waste your money, we can sell you some PEG MGF, we have it from our supplier who's getting rid of stock. Better yet, why not buy air in a vial? you'll have the same results as with PEG MGF. The product is worthless, so our suppliers don't want anything to do with it. Why would you?

Why would you waste your money on something that doesn't work is beyond me. I guess ignorance on the topic is widely spread. We don't bother selling it because it would be ripping off the customers, who wants to buy PEG MGF when it's well known the product doesn't work?

Steroid-Peptides
http://www.steroid-peptides.com

You say its well known that PEG MGF doesnt work, but I havent seen any reviews anywhere about PEG MGF not working. Do you have any evidence or studies (and I dont care what subjects they were done on) to back up these claims?

[Property of Steroid.com]

You say its well known that PEG MGF doesnt work, but I havent seen any reviews anywhere about PEG MGF not working. Do you have any evidence or studies (and I dont care what subjects they were done on) to back up these claims?

The idea behind it just doesn't make sense...it's almost like saying "We're going to add an ester to MGF"...anyone who understands MGF would know that if it were possible to add an ester to it, it would make the product useless.

It's just a horrible idea, and logically won't work. If it were something that had potential to work, S-P would be releasing it as a product...also, keep in mind that the company who is producing it tried to advertise here on Steroid.com and were denied because of their shoddy products and reputation.

[zodiach]

The idea behind it just doesn't make sense...it's almost like saying "We're going to add an ester to MGF"...anyone who understands MGF would know that if it were possible to add an ester to it, it would make the product useless.

It's just a horrible idea, and logically won't work. If it were something that had potential to work, S-P would be releasing it as a product...also, keep in mind that the company who is producing it tried to advertise here on Steroid.com and were denied because of their shoddy products and reputation.

I understand its like saying your going to add an ester, similar to aas in the sense that different esters can change the half-life of the drug. However there has been a lot of science shown as to why the PEGylation is necessary. Now whether or not the company producing it is doing it correctly or not is another matter, considering PEGs have different weights and can effect the uptake of the peptide, obviously this could be the cause for a product to work or not as well. My concern is not who is making it, but rather why the PEGylation is necessary or not for that matter.

[sd_dogg2]

If the proof is there why would you not offer some concrete evidence and enter into some sort of discussion on it. Instead what do you guys do-- state vaguely that it doesn't work and ban me when i post my results. Great tactic, we all believe you now. I am not a competing rep or a sh*t disturber I just thought my AR brothers deserved some info on how the peg was going for me. I have great respect for you and your wealth of knowledge mr. roberts but i feel that money is the issue here. If you believe the peg mgf doesn't work then why not provide some real info. Your tune has changed. You began by stating pegmgf would cause heart tissue growth and is dangerous and now you state that it is ineffective all together. If your aim is to provide misleading information than atleast make sure there is some continuity. I really looked forward to getting to know people on this board and learning and sharing information. I always try to conduct myself in a respectful fashion. Its a shame that this couldn't have spurned a meaningful discussion. I will not attempt to log in again.

gl to all (vets and board moniters think about what this board was originally intended for, im sur it wasn't just to line the sponsors pockets).

[Carlito B]

I'll ask again, who is say this besides, you, your boss and the paid backer you have?

JohnnyB

JB ,

I HAVE NO BOSS and have not had one since 2003 just so you know it...you have no IDEA ON WHO I AM and I will leave it like that. If is true you have "been around" on the boards then you'd know...but I guess not. This is a new handle since my old handle " Carlo" I can;t post for some reason..if you have been around here on this board ask FZANE ( from this board ) about me and he'll tell you.

C

[G-Force]

If the proof is there why would you not offer some concrete evidence and enter into some sort of discussion on it. Instead what do you guys do-- state vaguely that it doesn't work and ban me when i post my results. Great tactic, we all believe you now. I am not a competing rep or a sh*t disturber I just thought my AR brothers deserved some info on how the peg was going for me. I have great respect for you and your wealth of knowledge mr. roberts but i feel that money is the issue here. If you believe the peg mgf doesn't work then why not provide some real info. Your tune has changed. You began by stating pegmgf would cause heart tissue growth and is dangerous and now you state that it is ineffective all together. If your aim is to provide misleading information than atleast make sure there is some continuity. I really looked forward to getting to know people on this board and learning and sharing information. I always try to conduct myself in a respectful fashion. Its a shame that this couldn't have spurned a meaningful discussion. I will not attempt to log in again.

gl to all (vets and board moniters think about what this board was originally intended for, im sur it wasn't just to line the sponsors pockets).

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this is very interesting

i do not know the whole scenario regarding this members banning but IF what he say is true - it is as he says VERY dissapointing

since we all know that anthony roberts sponser is selling regular MGF it does appear that they could be using misleading information in order to sway users into buying their product rather than the PEG product which they do not sell

i am not saying this is the case - i am just stating how this appears to me and other users

i know i have (and many others) have challenged Mr Roberts and Steroid Peptides on the issue only to be completely ignored

i blelieve some clearing up is in order
and i know for a fact i am not the only one

[IBdmfkr]

Personally I'd go elsewhere to find your info, seems like you can't find anyone who hasn't been swayed by money into saying one thing or another around here. There are many different places to find descent info but you gotta look.. most of the boards are full of rubbish when it comes to a new compoune etc because of the financial backing/kickbacks they receive, just like the whole IGF LR3 deal recently.

[Property of Steroid.com]

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this is very interesting

i do not know the whole scenario regarding this members banning but IF what he say is true - it is as he says VERY dissapointing

since we all know that anthony roberts sponser is selling regular MGF it does appear that they could be using misleading information in order to sway users into buying their product rather than the PEG product which they do not sell

i am not saying this is the case - i am just stating how this appears to me and other users

i know i have (and many others) have challenged Mr Roberts and Steroid Peptides on the issue only to be completely ignored

i blelieve some clearing up is in order
and i know for a fact i am not the only one

I don't know why that member was banned either. Carlo B was banned several times for no reason, just last week, under 2 names. The story we got was that it was thought that he was some other member, signed up under a different name. I think that's kind of suspect.

The fact of the matter is that I was also challenged on my reccomendations as to why MGF/IGF is better than hGH, and I produced a ten page article illustrating my point. Currently, I don't have that kind of time, to devote to this issue. Frankly, the whole idea of PGF-MGF doesn't make sense in the slightest. If it were worthwhile for me to produce a ten page article on that issue, I would, but honestly, there is no profit in that for me, at all, and would be the equivalent of trying to explain why putting an ester on D-bol isn't a good idea. Most people just don't care about PEGMGF, and only about a dozen people give a shit about the threads in this forum, where all the bickering takes place.

Also, steroid-peptides was brought here by me, because I firmly believe that the "PEG" company is terrible, and they were making an effort to purchase advertising here....but S-P aren't "my sponsor"...I don't receive any money for saying they are a good company, nor for saying their products are good.

In addition, the person who keeps bringing up PEG-MGF is on the payroll of the company who sells it. That company used to sell regular MGF, and now claim that regular MGF doesn't work. If it doesn't work, then shouldn't they give back the money to everyone who bought it from them?

Finally... The Admin who keeps trying to play the good guy here, has asked for a huge discount from Steroid-Peptides on a 10 bottle order, in return for his endorsement of their products, and has said that he will support them as both an admin as well as an "AR-Hall-of-Famer"....

That's the full story.

Finally, ask yourself this:

How many times have I been wrong when I said something works, or something sucks? Remember when several months ago, I said that Cycleon, BDTR, and TOJ weren't good for the board? Yeah, and what happened? They tried to **** the whole board over. Remember when I said 956Vette was up to something shady? And what happened? Oh yeah....he was, and it was finally proven. How about when I was the first person to sniff out the MGF/Jackman scam several years ago? Oh....yeah, I was right again...Yet, even though I consistently see this shit coming, and ****ing tell everyone in advance, people still see the need to wait and see if I'm right, all the while saying I'm wrong. I've been right every time, and outlasted all the Smods here, and every admin so far. Just something to think about.

I wrote a 400 page book on AAS, and a 200+ page e-book on Peptides...I think I might know just a bit more than "GoldenBro69" or "RandomMod420" ...

[G-Force]

I don't know why that member was banned either. Carlo B was banned several times for no reason, just last week, under 2 names. The story we got was that it was thought that he was some other member, signed up under a different name. I think that's kind of suspect.

The fact of the matter is that I was also challenged on my reccomendations as to why MGF/IGF is better than hGH, and I produced a ten page article illustrating my point. Currently, I don't have that kind of time, to devote to this issue. Frankly, the whole idea of PGF-MGF doesn't make sense in the slightest. If it were worthwhile for me to produce a ten page article on that issue, I would, but honestly, there is no profit in that for me, at all, and would be the equivalent of trying to explain why putting an ester on D-bol isn't a good idea. Most people just don't care about PEGMGF, and only about a dozen people give a shit about the threads in this forum, where all the bickering takes place.

Also, steroid-peptides was brought here by me, because I firmly believe that the "PEG" company is terrible, and they were making an effort to purchase advertising here....but S-P aren't "my sponsor"...I don't receive any money for saying they are a good company, nor for saying their products are good.

In addition, the person who keeps bringing up PEG-MGF is on the payroll of the company who sells it. That company used to sell regular MGF, and now claim that regular MGF doesn't work. If it doesn't work, then shouldn't they give back the money to everyone who bought it from them?

Finally... The Admin who keeps trying to play the good guy here, has asked for a huge discount from Steroid-Peptides on a 10 bottle order, in return for his endorsement of their products, and has said that he will support them as both an admin as well as an "AR-Hall-of-Famer"....

That's the full story.

Finally, ask yourself this:

How many times have I been wrong when I said something works, or something sucks? Remember when several months ago, I said that Cycleon, BDTR, and TOJ weren't good for the board? Yeah, and what happened? They tried to **** the whole board over. Remember when I said 956Vette was up to something shady? And what happened? Oh yeah....he was, and it was finally proven. How about when I was the first person to sniff out the MGF/Jackman scam several years ago? Oh....yeah, I was right again...Yet, even though I consistently see this shit coming, and ****ing tell everyone in advance, people still see the need to wait and see if I'm right, all the while saying I'm wrong. I've been right every time, and outlasted all the Smods here, and every admin so far. Just something to think about.

I wrote a 400 page book on AAS, and a 200+ page e-book on Peptides...I think I might know just a bit more than "GoldenBro69" or "RandomMod420" ...

thanks for your response anthony -i do apreciate before i continue i would like to state clearly that i was by no means suggesting u were wrong - just that it COULD look suspicious to some people and it did to me, which was the reason for my questioning

i am not on this site night and day so i obviously miss a lot of posts - for instance the 10 page article on mgf being better than hgh

u have brought up quite a few details that i was not aware of previously and i thank you for clearing the issue up

cheers

ps what ever happened to BDTR? i never found out what he did? or vette for that matter
stop me if this is confidential - i was just curious

[goose]

Personally I'd go elsewhere to find your info, seems like you can't find anyone who hasn't been swayed by money into saying one thing or another around here. There are many different places to find descent info but you gotta look.. most of the boards are full of rubbish when it comes to a new compoune etc because of the financial backing/kickbacks they receive, just like the whole IGF LR3 deal recently.

I Concur to the fullest sence,nice post

At least you know IGF is just a fat burner

[Property of Steroid.com]

thanks for your response anthony -i do apreciate before i continue i would like to state clearly that i was by no means suggesting u were wrong - just that it COULD look suspicious to some people and it did to me, which was the reason for my questioning

i am not on this site night and day so i obviously miss a lot of posts - for instance the 10 page article on mgf being better than hgh

u have brought up quite a few details that i was not aware of previously and i thank you for clearing the issue up

cheers

ps what ever happened to BDTR? i never found out what he did? or vette for that matter
stop me if this is confidential - i was just curious

Nothing is confidential to me, as long as it wasn't told to me in confidence.

The former admins here basically tried to start a competing board and use the PM system to solicit members away...they also tried to pull sponsors from here. They were banned for that, and I came back for a few months as a mod, to help out a bit. Eventually, BDTR was an admin on that board they started, and made up the story that his g/f was hit by a car, and he set up a donation fund. Later, it came out that his story was a lie, and he was using the money to support a drug habit. He was removed as an admin from their board.

The thing with 956Vette was basically that he had monetary interests which were contrary to the interests of this board, and it's prosperity (nothing particularly shady, just had interests which were self-motivated and not in the best interests of Steroid.com and it's sponsors). He was removed for this reason. He was promoting people to vet status for being his friends, and trying to fill the mod staff with his buddies, in order to facilitate his own gains and interests.

Here's the ten page article I wrote on why hGH is not as good as IGF/MGF:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=258434

I was questioned on my holding this position for several weeks, and even criticized for it....until I wrote this article.

If in the future, it becomes relevant for me to explain PEGlyation and why doing so to MGF would be a bad idea, then I'll write an article. But you have to understand that I think that the PEGMGF thing will be a short lived fad, because I've been hearing it isn't working for people- hence, writing an article on a short lived fad isn't going to be something that I want to add to my library of work.

If you're interested, you can check out the current stuff that I've done (it's gotta be like 500 pages of articles and profiles) here:

www.anthony-roberts.com

Thanks for the sympathetic post...a lot of things go on, behind the scenes on most message boards, that when seen by the average member, look bad...but I assure you, I haven 't been wrong in the past, and I'm not wrong this time.

[thepopo]

PEG MGF doesn't work. If you want to waste your money, we can sell you some PEG MGF, we have it from our supplier who's getting rid of stock.

Why would a supplier randomly manufacture PEG MGF just to throw it away (They manufacture orders, they don't just randomly manufacture stuff...)? Better yet, who is a PEPTIDE company to say something doesn't work (they MAKE the stuff, they do not conduct medical/experimental tests out themselves)? They're just there to manufacture the peptide and make sure it's pure - it's no skin off their back if it's a bs product. They just sell you what you want, simple as that...

[Carlito B]

Why would a supplier randomly manufacture PEG MGF just to throw it away (They manufacture orders, they don't just randomly manufacture stuff...)? Better yet, who is a PEPTIDE company to say something doesn't work? They're just there to manufacture the peptide and make sure it's pure - it's no skin off their back if it's a bs product. They just sell you what you want.

You guys just do not know when to stop,,, this is making you look really bad.... did your partner Eddy send you here to keep trashing S-P?

the poppo = the police

I will reveal who you are and who your partners are if you keep this going, I got solid proof of this ( coming from your other affiliated company that posted it in the open the other day and I copied and pasted it before they deleted it ) and will post it if needed, for your own good and not to dissapoint your customers I advice you to back up and leave us alone, you do not see us in your forums do you?

I though i had a deal with Eddie the other day that we will keep it civil from now on I guess he lied because this keeps going...and I know he knows what is going on...who else is next to show on these threads? TheGame46? Luvhmyroids? I would nto be surprised one of these guys start a thread called : THE TRUTH ABOUT PEPTIDES or WHAT I CAN CONTRIBUTE TO OUR COMMUNITY...or this last one already seen on other boards ..THE REASON WHY PLAIN MGF WILL NOT WORK....

how about: THE REASON WHY ORAL IGF-1 WILL NOT WORK ?

say what?

C

[Carlito B]

not worth it

C

[scriptfactory]

Dear AR,

Why do all of these peptide/research chemical people act like children... They constantly call each other names, make up stories and rumours about their competitors products and basically act like e-thugs. Do they not realize that this turns a lot of people away from purchasing their products?

Sincerely,
Scriptfactory

[Carlito B]

Dear AR,

Why do all of these peptide/research chemical people act like children... They constantly call each other names, make up stories and rumours about their competitors products and basically act like e-thugs. Do they not realize that this turns a lot of people away from purchasing their products?

Sincerely,
Scriptfactory

There is no name calling here, who?

There are no rumors but facts!

no make up stories but real life events that ocurred a few years back.

S-P started here and they di d not even bother to attack anyone but we felt forced to defend ourselves when the competitor's reps come on these threads trying to push their own products, i believe S-P is paying high $$$$$$ to advertise here and is NOT FAIR for other company to advertise their products for free on S-P's expense.

This is not the first time but one of the many and the same pattern the same.." oh i am just stating the facts about this and that..." and all other BS...

Why don';t they work on improving their own products, refund people that bought their so called "bad MGF " and leave others alone?

C

[zodiach]

There is no name calling here, who?

There are no rumors but facts!

no make up stories but real life events that ocurred a few years back.

S-P started here and they di d not even bother to attack anyone but we felt forced to defend ourselves when the competitor's reps come on these threads trying to push their own products, i believe S-P is paying high $$$$$$ to advertise here and is NOT FAIR for other company to advertise their products for free on S-P's expense.

This is not the first time but one of the many and the same pattern the same.." oh i am just stating the facts about this and that..." and all other BS...

Why don';t they work on improving their own products, refund people that bought their so called "bad MGF " and leave others alone?

C

No offense bro, and I have zero affiliation with any companies, but can you show me any posts where a product was pushed? I am on here quite a bit, and I am sure some posts have been caught/edited/deleted as proved by some of the goings on so far. However I am just curious, I understand via the rules apparently we arent allowed to discuss competitors products which is fine I can go elsewhere for discussion. However all I have seen is questions about the PROCESS of PEG MGF, no one has said to buy it, or posted a link to it, I think everyone is just curious about it, and also how it might apply potentially to other products in the future. If it doesnt work then great thanks for saving us some money, but why not apply yourself to proving WHY it doesnt work??

[WEBB]

way to go Zodiach...now your going to get this one deleted too...how dare you question them....this whole scene got shitty in a hurry...

[thepopo]

There is no name calling here, who?

There are no rumors but facts!

No, not at all...

Anyways.. I'm out for this thread.. We've got businesses to run, thus more important things to do than denegrate to bickering.

-Thepopo
Mod - VIP - Vet

[Standard01]

Wow, I can't believe I just read all that b*llsh*t.

[Carlito B]

The truth is not BS.

The Poppo, good move bro

Zoldiach and other members:

I apologize you have to witness these BS drama but I am so tired of this happening over and over again, like i said before this is nothing new as "they" have attempted the same on 3 other boards ! Unfortunately one has to resort to ways that may not be "facts " to you but they are.

Is like this: a new X sponsor comes to a board selling MGF and then sudddenly you get all these guys :

questioning whether is good or not saying: " I've heard plain MGF is not good but the Pegylated is the real deal "

..then the sponsor will typically defend himself and his business and state the truth which is : " PEG mgf DOES not work "

...then you see "some guys" starting threads advertising the PEG MGF as an "imformative thread " basically spitting and giving the middle finger to the sponsor with the attempt to trash his operation, steal potential customers and again advertise for free on someone ( sponsor's ) expense!

...then they keep playing the victims by saying: " oh ..I am just passing some real valuable information to help members learn.." why is the sponsor deleting my threads? ....hey members this is not fair I am a victim when I am only trying to be a hero.."

...the same old pattern everytime...same strategy, same dirty way to ruin their competitors, just as low as scum if you ask me.

...here is why..."those guys" can't see other succeed , they are greedy and many know it....just like they had to sell recs a while back and got busted a husband and wife operation and children in the house on a suburban neighborhood in LA, i will dig out the article to show it to you if this keeps going... so back off Eddie this is getting too old , you are a father and I am too and we got business to run let's just act like mature people and focus on our thing, I do not go on your forums and if I had before which i did, we made a deal to stay away and keep it civil.

Thanks ,

C

[Carlito B]

No offense bro, and I have zero affiliation with any companies, but can you show me any posts where a product was pushed? I am on here quite a bit, and I am sure some posts have been caught/edited/deleted as proved by some of the goings on so far. However I am just curious, I understand via the rules apparently we arent allowed to discuss competitors products which is fine I can go elsewhere for discussion. However all I have seen is questions about the PROCESS of PEG MGF, no one has said to buy it, or posted a link to it, I think everyone is just curious about it, and also how it might apply potentially to other products in the future. If it doesnt work then great thanks for saving us some money, but why not apply yourself to proving WHY it doesnt work??

Zoldiach, I will be more than happy to share a lot more about it via email, please PM me your email addy.

Thanks,

C

[IBdmfkr]

Either way I think MGF is played up anyhow just like IGF LR3 was.. it will start off extremely overpriced, people will realize it isn't what it was cracked up to be and then the price will drop and generic will be available and only a certain crowd will utilize it rather than the average newbie that has no business using the compounds in the first place.. thing is these companies prey on the new guys to buy their products when in reality they just need to learn the basics of bodybuilding.
Oh well.. guess we all gotta make a living somehow.

[Carlito B]

Either way I think MGF is played up anyhow just like IGF LR3 was.. it will start off extremely overpriced, people will realize it isn't what it was cracked up to be and then the price will drop and generic will be available and only a certain crowd will utilize it rather than the average newbie that has no business using the compounds in the first place.. thing is these companies prey on the new guys to buy their products when in reality they just need to learn the basics of bodybuilding.
Oh well.. guess we all gotta make a living somehow.

Thanks,

Indeed MGF "may" be for the advanced user ..back when i was on test and deca i could nto even figure out how to site inject on bis, tris etc..nowadays I inject almots everywhere possible ie. calves,pecs, traps, lats, tris, rear delts ( painful ) bis ( inner and outer heads ) mid quads and upper quads etc...

MGF can be a relief for the advance AAS user and definetely a PLUS for any PCT protocol and /or as part of a pre-contest arsenal supplements.

Thanks,

C

[Triposinator]

Well said Sir - I agree 100%. And I'm not saying I'm an old pro when it comes to AAS or peptides. But I have been around gyms for nearly 2 decades. It seems that it is hard for the average newby to resist what seem to be shortcuts. This creates a market segment/opportunity for a few people to make some money. But in the end nobody seems to get hurt - just their wallets get lightened.

The money must be pretty good because the suppliers fight among themselves with a lot of enthusasim

Either way I think MGF is played up anyhow just like IGF LR3 was.. it will start off extremely overpriced, people will realize it isn't what it was cracked up to be and then the price will drop and generic will be available and only a certain crowd will utilize it rather than the average newbie that has no business using the compounds in the first place.. thing is these companies prey on the new guys to buy their products when in reality they just need to learn the basics of bodybuilding.
Oh well.. guess we all gotta make a living somehow.