Some Questions About Cutting and Clen

[MoneyAddyct]

Hey everyone. I'm such an incredible hardgainer that I have to work EXTREMELY hard for every oz that I put on. However, I'm starting to become satisfied with my mass and although I have a low bf percentage, I'd like it to be a little lower. (I have decent ab definition but my main goal is more arm definition including shoulders, etc.) I've done some research into clenbuterol and am interested in taking it, but I have a few questions.

1. How much cardio should I
do per week to ensure that I'll lose fat but AT THE VERY LEAST keep
my muscle mass (of course I'd rather GAIN than KEEP)? Any specific time of
the day I should do cardio? I heard in the AM on an empty stomach is
the best way to go.

2. Now, do you suggest a certain starting clen dosage? I've read I
should start with 20mcg and then if I can tolerate that try another
20mcg later in the day, etc. Is that the right way to go?

3. I've read that after two weeks I need to take Benadryl to upregulate my beta-2 receptors. After two weeks, when I start taking Benadryl, do I stop the clen? How much Benadryl should I take (the recomended dosage on the
box per day?) And when?

4. Also, I've read that it's important to take tourine and/or
potassium with clen to keep from cramping and other sides. Is that accurate?

5. Is there anything else I can do (or take--besides test) to maximize my fat loss but help to ensure that I don't lose much mass in the process?

Thanks everyone and I look forward to hearing your responses.

MoneyAddyct

[MoneyAddyct]

No one?

[suckysucky]

Hey everyone. I'm such an incredible hardgainer that I have to work EXTREMELY hard for every oz that I put on. However, I'm starting to become satisfied with my mass and although I have a low bf percentage, I'd like it to be a little lower. (I have decent ab definition but my main goal is more arm definition including shoulders, etc.) I've done some research into clenbuterol and am interested in taking it, but I have a few questions.

1. How much cardio should I
do per week to ensure that I'll lose fat but AT THE VERY LEAST keep
my muscle mass (of course I'd rather GAIN than KEEP)? Any specific time of
the day I should do cardio? I heard in the AM on an empty stomach is
the best way to go.

2. Now, do you suggest a certain starting clen dosage? I've read I
should start with 20mcg and then if I can tolerate that try another
20mcg later in the day, etc. Is that the right way to go?

3. I've read that after two weeks I need to take Benadryl to upregulate my beta-2 receptors. After two weeks, when I start taking Benadryl, do I stop the clen? How much Benadryl should I take (the recomended dosage on the
box per day?) And when?

4. Also, I've read that it's important to take tourine and/or
potassium with clen to keep from cramping and other sides. Is that accurate?

5. Is there anything else I can do (or take--besides test) to maximize my fat loss but help to ensure that I don't lose much mass in the process?

Thanks everyone and I look forward to hearing your responses.

MoneyAddyct

2)do a search on the clen handbook i personally wouldn't start at anyhting lower then 40 then work myself up to no more then 160. But check it the handbook out theyll tell u

3)The normal cycle of clen is two weeks on two weeks off. I have done it for 6 weeks. Becaus ei was in PCT. You take the benadryl every 3rd week and ED that week. BUT i personally didnt think it helped all to much and was defiently losing its effectiveness.

4)Yea i use taurine its cheap it also talks about this in the handbook

5) clen is known to help mantain mass

[MoneyAddyct]

Ok, that helps a ton. Thanks! What about the cardio aspect??

[suckysucky]

I left that answer out because its varies for person to person. I might have to do more cardio then you to lose or vice verse. For what I am training for i do alot of running. But ya, am cardio is the best for fat loss, the only problem i have with it is i am not a morning person at all. Try it out along with the how much days a week/intensity/time works best for you

[stupidhippo]

I left that answer out because its varies for person to person. I might have to do more cardio then you to lose or vice verse. For what I am training for i do alot of running. But ya, am cardio is the best for fat loss, the only problem i have with it is i am not a morning person at all. Try it out along with the how much days a week/intensity/time works best for you

Im with u on that one.. am cardio is really effective but sux ass if u are not a morning person.... Im thinking of introducin am cardio next fall before school but who knows..... it would be nasty, thats for sure....

[MoneyAddyct]

Thanks for the tip bro. I'm not a morning person either. In fact, even waking up at noon is a little early for me. Can't wait to see how my 9:30 class is going to go come Aug. 24th.

[Kale]

Clenbuterol handbook
CLENBUTERAL FAQ: EVERYTHING YOU
NEEDED TO KNOW ABOUT CLENBUTEROL
by BigAndy69

What is Clenbuterol?

Clenbuterol is a beta-2 agonist and is used in many countries as a broncodilator
for the treatment of asthma. Because of it's long half life, clenbuterol is not
FDA approved for medical use. It is a central nervous system stimulant and acts
like adrenaline. It shares many of the same side effects as other CNS stimulants
like ephedrine. Contrary to popular belief, Clenbuterol has a half life of 35
hours and not 48 hours.

Dosing and Cycling

Clenbuterol comes in 20mcg tablets, although it is also available in syrup, pump
and injectable form. It's also available as a powder in some areas. Doses are
very dependent on how well the user responds to the side effects, but somewhere
in the range of 4-8 tablets per day for men and 2-4 tablets a day for women is
most common. Clenbuterol loses its thermogenic effects after around 8 weeks when
body temperature drops back to normal. Its anabolic/anti-catabolic properties
fade away at around the 18 day mark. Taking the long half life into
consideration, the most effective way of cycling clen is 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off
for no more than 12 weeks. Ephedrine or Yohimbine can be used in the off weeks.

Clenbuterol vs Ephedrine vs DNP

Ephedrine will raise metabolic levels by about 2-3 percent and 200mg of DNP
raises metabolic levels by about 30 percent. Clenbuterol raises metabolic levels
about 10 percent and it can raise body temperature several degrees.

DNP is by far the most effective fat burner but many people will never use it
because of the risks associated with it. It also offers no anti-catabolic
benefit. Although it does have anti-catabolic effect, ephedrine's short
half-life prevents it from being all that effective.

As far as side effects, Clenbuterol's are certainly milder than DNP's, and some
would even say milder than an ECA stack. There is no ECA-style crash on
Clenbuterol and many users find it easier on the prostate and sex drive. This
may in part be due to the fact that Clen is generally used for only 2 weeks at a
time.

Side effects

NAUSEA
NERVOUSNESS
DIZZINESS
DROWSINESS
DRY MOUTH
FACIAL FLUSHING
HEADACHE
HEARTBURN
INCREASED BLOOD PRESSURE
INCREASED SWEATING
INSOMNIA
LIGHTHEADEDNESS
MUSCLE CRAMPS
TREMORS
VOMITING
CHEST PAIN

The most significant side effects are muscle cramps, nervousness, headaches, and
increased blood pressure.

Muscle cramps can be avoided by drinking 1.5-2 gallons of water and consuming
bananas and oranges or supplementing with potassium tablets at 200-400mg a
day taken before bed on an empty stomach. Taurine at 3-5grams is a necessity in
minimizing cramps.

Headaches can easily be avoided with Tylenol Extra Strength taking at the first
signs of a headache.

Common Uses

Post-Cycle Therapy: Clen is used post cycle to aid in recovery. It allows the
user to continue eating large amounts of food, without worrying about adding
body fat. It also helps the user maintain more of his strength as well as his
intensity in the gym. Diet: Roughly the same as on cycle.

Fat loss: The most popular use for Clen, it also increases muscle hardness,
vascularity, strength and size on a caloric deficit. For the most significant
fat loss, Clen can be stacked with T3. Diet: A high protein(1.5g per lb of
bodyweight), moderate carb(0.5g to 1g per lb of bodyweight), low fat diet(0.25g
per lb of bodyweight) seems to work best with Clen.

Alternative to Steroids: Clenbuterol has mild steroid-like properties and can be
used by non-AS using bodybuilder to increase LBM as well as strength and muscle
hardness. Diet: A moderate carb, high protein, moderate fat diet work well.

Stimulant/Performance Enhancement: It can be used as a stimulant, but an ECA
stack may be a better choice because of it's much shorter half-life. Diet: To
take full advantage of the stimulatory effects of Clen, carbohydrates must be
included in the diet. Ketogenic diets do not work well in this case.

Precautions: Is Clen for you?

The same precautions that apply to Ephedrine must be applied to Clen, although
some people find ECA stacks are harsher than Clen. It should not be stacked
with other CNS stimulants such as Ephedrine and Yohimbine. These combinations
are unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Caffeine can be used in moderation
before a workout for an extra quick. burst of energy.

A word on Ketotifen

Ketotifen is safe antihistamine used extensively some European countries to
treat asthma and allergies. It can up regulate beta-2-receptors that Clen down
regulates. Basically, it allows users to extend their use of Clen for 6-8 weeks
at a time. 2-3mg a day is ideal, 10mg as found in "superclen" can make users
extremely drowsy. It also increases the effectiveness of Clen so doses must be
adjusted accordingly. The downfall of this drug is its ability to induce
extreme hunger is some people, which is not a desirable state to be in when
dieting.

Cycling Clenbuterol

Most users that report bad side effects and discontinue use are those who use
high doses right at the start of the cycle. The worst side effects occur within
the first 3-4 days of use.

A first time user should not exceed 40mcg the first day. Increase by one tab
until the side effects are not tolerable

Example of a first cycle:

Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
Day6-Day12: 100mcg
Day13: 80 mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to
normal gradually)
Day14: 60 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

Example of a second cycle:

Day1: 60mcg
Day2: 80mcg
Day3: 80mcg
Day4: 100mcg
Day5: 100mcg
Day6-Day12: 120mcg
Day13: 100 mcg
Day14: 80 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

What else do I need to know?

Taurine MUST be used with Clen at 3-5g daily. Clenbuterol depletes taurine
levels in the liver which stops the conversion of T4 to T3 in the liver.
Taurine allows the user to avoid the dreaded rebound effect and painful muscle
cramps. It's a must with Clen.

Clenbuterol should not be taken too close to a workout. It can interfere with
your breathing and complete ruin your workout. When doing cardio, it's
advisable to stay at a consistent pace and avoid HIIT style routines.

Do not take Clen Past 4pm and drink plenty of water; 1.5-2 gallons a day

[MoneyAddyct]

Thanks for the post. Man those side-effects looks fun.

[MoneyAddyct]

Quick question....after day 17 and the 2 week break...does one start at 20mcgs again?
And, is the dosage of clen to be taken all at once for the day or spread-out throughout it?

[rar1015]

It shows an example of a second cycle in kale's post.

[MoneyAddyct]

It shows an example of a second cycle in kale's post.

Oh...I didn't realize that 1-2wk ON was a cycle. My bad.

[marcus300]

If you want to cut i would do this just with diet and cardio first and shred the unwanted BF naturally, after a few wks the bf will slow down in dropping and this is the time to introduce some form of help IE clen of similar, this will help to shift the last bit of stubborn fat left.