Not enough Test E??

[XXChAoTiCXX]

I just started my second cycle, which is Deca 600mg/wk with Test E 250mg/wk, and I noticed a sudden drop in libido shortly after my first injection, and now a week into it I've got Deca dick. I am also taking Novaldex 20mg/day. Should I raise my Test E to 600mg/wk to have ample Testosterone in my body, or just drop the Deca down to 250-300mg? My first cycle was just Test E alone and I gained about 10lbs.

28 years old
200lbs 12%b.f.
CLEAN diet approx 300gm protein 500gm carb 100gm fat daily intake.

[*Alex*]

up your test to 500mg, lower your deca to 400mg...edit

[XXChAoTiCXX]

Thanks, I thought so but wished for a second opinion.

[*Alex*]

edited my post ,cuz i dint see stats at first.

[*Alex*]

up your protien to 400g.

[pdog80]

Why go up another 100 grams? I think he should be fine at 300 grams of protein. That's 1.5 grams per pound and that should be good. Too much protein isn't good cuz it can convert to fat.

[Wizeguy]

Always make sure your Test mg's are more than your Deca mg's. To avoid deca dick!

[mkrulic]

Always make sure your Test mg's are more than your Deca mg's. To avoid deca dick!

truer words have never been spoke

[Kale]

...,,,,,,

[YZFR1Tim]

I just started my second cycle, which is Deca 600mg/wk with Test E 250mg/wk, and I noticed a sudden drop in libido shortly after my first injection, and now a week into it I've got Deca dick. I am also taking Novaldex 20mg/day. Should I raise my Test E to 600mg/wk to have ample Testosterone in my body, or just drop the Deca down to 250-300mg? My first cycle was just Test E alone and I gained about 10lbs.

28 years old
200lbs 12%b.f.
CLEAN diet approx 300gm protein 500gm carb 100gm fat daily intake.

I would lower your deca dosage for two weeks straight to 400. Front load the test 750 for the two weeks you lowered the deca. Then the third week, go to 500 test and 600 deca. you should still be fine. Make sure you stop the deca two weeks BEFORE you stop the test. Deca has a longer half life and will stay in your system and negatively affect libido if you don't end your cycle this way.

good luck

[V_Vandetta]

just a reminder on deca it's a good idea to have your test Mg be more than your deca or the sides will come on and quick .. a good way would be TEST at 600mg deca 400Mg and remember a good AI while on a deca cycle

[XXChAoTiCXX]

Alex, what in my stats made you edit your post? Also I forgot to mention my goal, which is gain lean mass, strength is not really an issue. Yeah, I wish I knew about the Test E > Deca deal, now I've got a limp noodle. Should I take a dose of Test in the middle of the week to spike it up??

[MasterShake]

I have read from reliable sorces on this board that 250 mg of test is more than enough to replace the natty test that is shut down by deca. Everyone reacts differently though, so you will have to figure it out as you go,, same as i will when i start my first deca cycle. some don't suffer any sides frome deca. lucky bastards!

[AaronJM1984]

isn't it a bad idea to change doses of test during a cycle, wont changing doses up and down encourage side effects

[Ufa]

Not in this case. He is on thin ice.

[LatinoPR]

Test @ 500 is good,Deca @ 300-400...and i hope have a good pct..!!!

[MasterShake]

isn't it a bad idea to change doses of test during a cycle, wont changing doses up and down encourage side effects

Bro, he already has the WORST side effect!

Sorry, it is no laughing matter. I would even out the the dosages at least and see if that does the trick. Maybe 400mg deca, 400mg test. thats just me, but i don't know the mg/ml of each you are dealing with...

[swamp honky]

I started my deca cycle 2 weeks ago.. im only doing 200mg's a week..I have noticed only a slight decrease in libido, but everything still works fine ; ).
My test-e hasnt arrived yet.. I think im gonna keep the deca below 400, even at a peak ( yall are scaring me with the limp talk)..so far im noticing some nice little gains..Im pretty excited about the test coming.. any suggestions to how much in ratio i should do with the deca?? AND would like to know when i should start taking an anti estrogen? AND what will jumpstart my own test production when im done... (8 week cycle)
35 y.o.
6'1..205..13% b.f.

[V_Vandetta]

I started my deca cycle 2 weeks ago.. im only doing 200mg's a week..I have noticed only a slight decrease in libido, but everything still works fine ; ).
My test-e hasnt arrived yet.. I think im gonna keep the deca below 400, even at a peak ( yall are scaring me with the limp talk)..so far im noticing some nice little gains..Im pretty excited about the test coming.. any suggestions to how much in ratio i should do with the deca?? AND would like to know when i should start taking an anti estrogen? AND what will jumpstart my own test production when im done... (8 week cycle)
35 y.o.
6'1..205..13% b.f.

bro dont be worried deca acts very different on sertin people as said ... but over the years I have run deca countless times and some times at HIGH DOSES and the rule of thumb is to have a higher test mg than Deca .. but a good Mg of deca is 300mg -400mg with a testmg at 400-600Mg as far as PCT forget about nolva with deca you should be running a good anti e Now like letro at .5mg E/O/D if you start to feel sides coming on up your letro to 1mg than if still run the letro at 1mg E/D .... as for the pct HCG has always been Boss on deca cycles for kicking natty test back in but remeber no matter what PCt once the HCG ,clomid is done your natty test slows back down .. but its a great way to kick start things back in allowing for natty test to take back over aslo if deca sides kick in its ok to run Hcg mid cycle at 500iu 3 X a week for 2 weeks this will also help with Pct

[XXChAoTiCXX]

Ok, so I ordered some letro, so my nolva is useless now? Also I gave myself a jump of Test E last night and I must say, the results came pretty quickly. (I got wood) :-) And a cold too :-( As for this HCG stuff, that's not something I can order online is it? I noticed you (Vandetta) didn't have a link attached to it. Also how do you convert i.u. to mg?

[timtim]

nolva upregulates progesterone receptors making progesterone related gyno pretty easy to develop. be careful.

[V_Vandetta]

Ok, so I ordered some letro, so my nolva is useless now? Also I gave myself a jump of Test E last night and I must say, the results came pretty quickly. (I got wood) :-) And a cold too :-( As for this HCG stuff, that's not something I can order online is it? I noticed you (Vandetta) didn't have a link attached to it. Also how do you convert i.u. to mg?

bro it would depend on what you get most HCG come in kits with the bac water and they are 5000Iu per bottle that will hold the 5mil of bac the hcg looks like a little pill at the bottem so 5cc in will equal 1cc 1000iu 1/2 cc = 500iu... also once mixed keep it in the fridge ...

And its against the rules to post sites and i cant Pm as of yet

[RA]

Sorry to hear about the deca dick..*shivers thinking about it*

[XXChAoTiCXX]

nolva upregulates progesterone receptors making progesterone related gyno pretty easy to develop. be careful.

Whoa, wait a minute. I thought the [I]purpose[I] of taking nolva was to reduce the risk of gyno.

[one8nine]

Always make sure your Test mg's are more than your Deca mg's. To avoid deca dick!

OH GOD I KNOW WHERE THIS IS GOING

test is needed in every cycle!!

everyone is different i didnt get deca dick!!

i did we all need test!!

no test no cycle squack!!

there i did it all for you guys we can skip that part and go right to answering his question directly

[one8nine]

i think a good question to ask you is how much do you have on hand? how high can you afford to raise the test? can you put the test at 600 and keep the deca at 600 or lower it a little to 500 or maybe even 400 if needed and still have the same cycle time?

[RA]

As I have said in the past many experience this side with deca...its not being a fn parrot to say that..its the truth. Some ppl have it stuck in their head that this is some kind of urban legend..its not.

OH GOD I KNOW WHERE THIS IS GOING

test is needed in every cycle!!

everyone is different i didnt get deca dick!!

i did we all need test!!

no test no cycle squack!!

there i did it all for you guys we can skip that part and go right to answering his question directly

[timtim]

Whoa, wait a minute. I thought the [i]purpose[i] of taking nolva was to reduce the risk of gyno.

no its true. this is why during pct for progesterone related gear (deca, tren, anadrol) people come back and say they got gyno 2 months after their cycle and what not. during the cycle you'd be running bromo or cabaser to combat the progesterone but after, due to the long life of deca, once the bromo/cabaser clears the remaining progesterone will bind to the receptors quickly because nolva upregulates them. it doesnt happen for non-progesterone gear though.

[XXChAoTiCXX]

no its true. this is why during pct for progesterone related gear (deca, tren, anadrol) people come back and say they got gyno 2 months after their cycle and what not. during the cycle you'd be running bromo or cabaser to combat the progesterone but after, due to the long life of deca, once the bromo/cabaser clears the remaining progesterone will bind to the receptors quickly because nolva upregulates them. it doesnt happen for non-progesterone gear though.

Ok, so if I kick the Nolva, and replace it withletro, I should be ok then b/c letro is not augmenting the progesterone? I have never heard of nor know where to find bromo/or cabaser. Although my copy of Anabolics 2006 came in the mail today, and I did find where Deca can give you gymo, so you are correct. I guess I am lucky so far...
This week (which ends tonight) I used the following:
Friday: 600mg Deca 250mg Test E. 20mg Nolva
Sat 20mg Nolva
Sun 20mg Nolva; No sex drive
Mon 20mg Nolva; Erection WEAK
Tue 20mg Nolva + 500mg Test E
Wed 20mg Nolva
Thurs 20mg Nolva; Hard as a ROCK!!
Tomorrow I plan on 400mg Deca and 500mg Test E.

Hopefully this should keep my Test level high enough to perform, and I plan on switching from Nolva to Letro as an anti-estrogen. Comments welcomed and appreciated.

[Jakspro]

no its true. this is why during pct for progesterone related gear (deca, tren, anadrol) people come back and say they got gyno 2 months after their cycle and what not. during the cycle you'd be running bromo or cabaser to combat the progesterone but after, due to the long life of deca, once the bromo/cabaser clears the remaining progesterone will bind to the receptors quickly because nolva upregulates them. it doesnt happen for non-progesterone gear though.

Does this happen with just Nolva or other serms?

[timtim]

just nolva with specific gear.

nolva wont do anything for gyno caused by deca so drop it. letro will be ok.

[XXChAoTiCXX]

What if I am stacking Deca with higher dosages of Test E, then I should probably take both letro and Nolva, or Letro will suffice?

[timtim]

do a search, nolva conflicts with one of the ai's, not sure which one

[*Alex*]

armidex and nolva

[Ufa]

When taking that much Deca you won't have to worry that much about
aromatization. The Deca will zap your test levels down (big time).

With Deca Dick you are most likely in negative territory. If that is possible.
Thats why they have been saying take test with deca. More test than
Deca. You get the limp noodle taper down on Deca and increase test.

[BigJames]

Whoa, wait a minute. I thought the [I]purpose[I] of taking nolva was to reduce the risk of gyno.

Nolva reduces estrogen related gyno. Deca can cause progesterone / prolactin gyno. To combat that you need B6, Bromo, or Cabergnal (sp?).

Check Deca's profile.

BigJ

[WEBB]

Deca dick is the worst thing that ever happened to me, and it is not easy to combat once it is set in full force, i am glad your coming outtas it ok, but keep your test higher throughout the cycle and every cycle from now on....

[jcstanto]

I have read from reliable sorces on this board that 250 mg of test is more than enough to replace the natty test that is shut down by deca. Everyone reacts differently though, so you will have to figure it out as you go,, same as i will when i start my first deca cycle. some don't suffer any sides frome deca. lucky bastards!

Is 250mg of Test E. a week good enough for good gains in strength/weight?

[MasterShake]

Is 250mg of Test E. a week good enough for good gains in strength/weight?

i would not run test alone at less than 500mg, onless it was for hrt or "cruising" between cycles, but..... anyone can build muscle with a kickass diet, and some grueling exercise, so if you did that AND added 250mg of test, yes you could get solid gains. some people have better results than others, and 250 is a VERY low amount of test, but still more than natty.