taking ASA when over weight

[NewyorkGiant]

I have read alot about this on this site from searchs over the months and i am here to dispell the bs that the shapely body builders have been spewing.

My very first cycle i was about 50lbs over weight, I used ASA together with a low carb diet and saw wonderful results in just 6 weeks. not only did i lose tons of bodyfat i gained quite nicely. yes i know i will never enter a show, but i am realistic. I looked good in my clothes and got noticed and all. what it did was speed up my metyobolic rate and add muscle which in turn burned more fat at rest. of course you will say you can acheive the same results without steroids useing proper diet and weights/cardio which is true, but in my experience not as fast. I think alot of you guys tend to get cocky as body builders and say things like its a waste of gear. but i am living proof that it is not a waste.

[hardgainer12]

im still confused......how many times are u gonna post the same thing?

[NewyorkGiant]

im still confused......how many times are u gonna post the same thing?

wha???? this is only my second thread? first one on this subject.

[NewyorkGiant]

sorry this is the real thread it is not a question but more of a statement.

[Hackamaniac]

Can we see before and after pics???That would help alot in your case..

[perfectbeast2001]

If you are losing fat you should be in a calorie defecit. If you are in a defecit there is really no point in using AS unless you are cutting for a comp and worried about retaining muscle mass. There are many compounds I would reccomend (and have used in my own weight loss) but not AS. LOse the weight with diet, cardio and possibly some fat burning compounds then spend the money on AS to build some quality muscle.

[NewyorkGiant]

Can we see before and after pics???That would help alot in your case..

i do not have any body shots on my comp, but believe me when i tell you each persons body is different and it really worked for me.

[SHAGGY]

How can you possibly know wether the weight you lost can't be largely contributed to the dieting that you did and the exercise??

How can you possibly know that the only variable was the AAS.
Shortly stated you can't, and neither can we dispell that it didn't work.

Yes AAS combined with the diet and exercise might speed up the proces a bit(very little I think). But the main concern with AAS working with overweight people is not merely wether they are effective or not.

One must understand that taking AAS is a risk for anyone, let alone an overweight person who might have A high blood pressure, heightened liver stress and liver values because of fattening of the liver, higher cholesterol levels and so on. It is just to risky.

Also people tend to think that most overweight people lack the disclipine to lose weight, and certainly they will most probably have the same mentality concerning AAS, this is something you don't want.(Wether this is true or not I leave up to you).

Just my opinion though.

SHAGGY

[STEROIDZZ]

I dont think this is the right forumn to be posting your statement.... but you s hould have more discipline in yourself to lose weight without AA"s i know for a fact if you got your diet in check, cardio, and weight train... you would see the same results... speed of results depend on you ... in my opinion you took the lazy way out.... and i would probably give more credit to the low carb diet in losing weight then i woudl to the AA"s IMO

AA's should be used for muscle mass.. not fat IMO

[NewyorkGiant]

If you are losing fat you should be in a calorie defecit. If you are in a defecit there is really no point in using AS unless you are cutting for a comp and worried about retaining muscle mass. There are many compounds I would reccomend (and have used in my own weight loss) but not AS. LOse the weight with diet, cardio and possibly some fat burning compounds then spend the money on AS to build some quality muscle.

sorry but im telling you it can be done at the same time if you do it right. it is not a waste. high protien diet low carb added muscle and lost fat at the same time. i did not have to be caloarie deficit. It worked, i know you guys in shape find it hard to believe but its the honest truth.

[NewyorkGiant]

How can you possibly know wether the weight you lost can't be largely contributed to the dieting that you did and the exercise??



SHAGGY

very easy, i have dieted without asa, same kind of diet same kind of workout before and with the juice the results were night and day.

[stupidhippo]

If you are losing fat you should be in a calorie defecit. If you are in a defecit there is really no point in using AS unless you are cutting for a comp and worried about retaining muscle mass. There are many compounds I would reccomend (and have used in my own weight loss) but not AS. LOse the weight with diet, cardio and possibly some fat burning compounds then spend the money on AS to build some quality muscle.

I disagree with u here... AS do speed up losing weight a lot and u can keep much more muscle than u would otherwise..

[SHAGGY]

The only way you can know for sure is if your exercise routine and diet where exactly the same and also if your daily routine is exactly the same, and even then there could be unkown variables that could alter the results.

Nonetheless, I don't say it can't be done, I am just stating that it shouldn't.

And not calling BS or anything but do you mind posting some pics I would love to see the difference.

SHAGGY

[NewyorkGiant]

the way you guys were programmed to think is wrong, now i am not saying someone who is 200lbs over weight should try it but the myth that people over weight should not be on the juice is wrong. i should write a book, I am my own guinea pig, trust me when i tell you it can be achieved.

[stupidhippo]

im not saying using AS for fat ppl to lose weight is in anyway smart or safe... But its pretty certain its effective.. What I have seen in ppl its more effective than actual cutting drugs such as Clen.. Cardio + diet + AS is extremely effective in burning fat.. seen it countless times... much more effective than if u leave the AS out of equation.

[stupidhippo]

the way you guys were programmed to think is wrong, now i am not saying someone who is 200lbs over weight should try it but the myth that people over weight should not be on the juice is wrong. i should write a book, I am my own guinea pig, trust me when i tell you it can be achieved.

while u are right it is effective BUT there are some health concerns here... all in all though if under medical supervision and done smartly I believe some fatties could even benefit from AS health-wise.. but in general Id say its not the way to go... PPl might die of heart attacks and such..

[NewyorkGiant]

while u are right it is effective BUT there are some health concerns here... all in all though if under medical supervision and done smartly I believe some fatties could even benefit from AS health-wise.. but in general Id say its not the way to go... PPl might die of heart attacks and such..

someone i knew died of heart failure while on it and he was very big and fit, so yes the risk is there dont get me wrong. here is what i did i used a novice type cycle just 1cc twice a week, low carb diet,cardio 4 days a week weight 3-4 days a week. i have done the exact routine for years with and without the juice and as i said the results are night and day.

[NewyorkGiant]

I dont think this is the right forumn to be posting your statement.... but you s hould have more discipline in yourself to lose weight without AA"s i know for a fact if you got your diet in check, cardio, and weight train... you would see the same results... speed of results depend on you ... in my opinion you took the lazy way out.... and i would probably give more credit to the low carb diet in losing weight then i woudl to the AA"s IMO

AA's should be used for muscle mass.. not fat IMO

I dont see how it is "the easy way out" ,i workout hard and put in alot of will power and time at the gym. I think you fit and trim guys just want to be selfish and you guys tend to get cocky and think because you were always in decent shape somehow you deserve the juice more than others who have a bad metolism.

[IIIIIIIIIIII]

.... u can speed up your metabolism.. i hate when people say they are fat due to genetics... i havent seen a fat ethiopian altho i am sure atleast 1 of them has this "fat gene"

ANyways... what AAS did you take and how much?? What did your cycle look like

[NewyorkGiant]

someone i knew died of heart failure while on it and he was very big and fit, so yes the risk is there dont get me wrong. here is what i did i used a novice type cycle just 1cc twice a week, low carb diet,cardio 4 days a week weight 3-4 days a week. i have done the exact routine for years with and without the juice and as i said the results are night and day.

[NewyorkGiant]

.... u can speed up your metabolism.. i hate when people say they are fat due to genetics... i havent seen a fat ethiopian altho i am sure atleast 1 of them has this "fat gene"

ANyways... what AAS did you take and how much?? What did your cycle look like

I can tell you are one of those jerks who looks down on over weight people, but i am no longer over weight so save the fatty jokes. if you have to insult others then you are insecure about yourself.

[IIIIIIIIIIII]

i didnt insult you.. i asked your cycle.. yes u quoted "1cc" but OF WHAT????

[NewyorkGiant]

i didnt insult you.. i asked your cycle.. yes u quoted "1cc" but OF WHAT????

enan-test.

[dsa8864667]

So what did you take 1cc of what?

[IIIIIIIIIIII]

ok, well first off i have no need to be insecure.. i dint start the thread trying to brag about my amazing weight loss!!!! anyhooo... so 1cc twice a week of test e at 250mg???? what did your pct look like and how long did u run the cycle?

[IIIIIIIIIIII]

the reason i ask is because it takes about 4-6 weeks for the test E to even really kick in...

[NewyorkGiant]

the reason i ask is because it takes about 4-6 weeks for the test E to even really kick in...

6 weeks and it didnt take 6 weeks to start kicking in, thats another myth. increases in bench and other areas were quite noticable in just 2 weeks.
and yes 250mg of enan 1 cc twice a week for 6 weeks.
and this thread is not to show off my weight lose it is to show that weight loss and muscle gain can be acheived at the same time unlike what has been preached here by people who were never over weight in the first place.

[IIIIIIIIIIII]

ok... well a 6 week cycle of enan is a waste.. but hey congrats on the wieght loss.... ur not fat any more WOO HOO!!!

I guess decades of Body Building and AAS research and experiments have all been proven wrong by some chubby kid who did a 6 week cycle...


forgive me for the flame guys but this kid is a joke...

are you sure you weren't shooting heroin?? That would help u shed the pds...


dumb shit!

[NewyorkGiant]

ok... well a 6 week cycle of enan is a waste.. but hey congrats on the wieght loss.... ur not fat any more WOO HOO!!!

I guess decades of Body Building and AAS research and experiments have all been proven wrong by some chubby kid who did a 6 week cycle...


forgive me for the flame guys but this kid is a joke...

are you sure you weren't shooting heroin?? That would help u shed the pds...


dumb shit!

ok moron, i am 28 years old and you can call bs if you like, but this right here proves you are a jerk. I have no reason to lie, and i have put hard work into the gym, you are too dumb to understand it thats ok you were taught one way of thinking and you can't possibly see that, that theory was flawed. i know you picure a fat kid eating twinkies on the couch and taking steroids, this is far from the case here. dumb #####!!!

[IIIIIIIIIIII]

omg someone toss the fat kid a cookie and a hug and close this thread

[NewyorkGiant]

omg someone toss the fat kid a cookie and a hug and close this thread

kid? are you 40 years old or something? probably need viagra to get it up i bet. moron

[stupidhippo]

u know steroids start working a lot quicker than 6 weeks.. u just might feel the major kick-in then.. Even Marcus300 says short cycles can be done with long acting esters.. For his purposes I believe a 6 week cycle could have indeed been beneficial... My HR goes up in saome days after administering Test E for example (from 60 BPM to 80)... I dont believe his ideas are a good way to go BUT not believing him and flaming when nothing he has said is indeed impossible is IMO wrong..

[NewyorkGiant]

u know steroids start working a lot quicker than 6 weeks.. u just might feel the major kick-in then.. Even Marcus300 says short cycles can be done with long acting esters.. For his purposes I believe a 6 week cycle could have indeed been beneficial... My HR goes up in saome days after administering Tet E for example...

thank you, guys like him think they know it all and have closed minds.

[SMAN12b]

ok moron, i am 28 years old and you can call bs if you like, but this right here proves you are a jerk. I have no reason to lie, and i have put hard work into the gym, you are too dumb to understand it thats ok you were taught one way of thinking and you can't possibly see that, that theory was flawed. i know you picure a fat kid eating twinkies on the couch and taking steroids, this is far from the case here. dumb #####!!!

OK< NYG, consider this a warning. There is no need for name calling especially from a NEW member.

Not sure what ASA is, BUT AAS will NOT do take the place of proper diet and training.YES they will help but it is 80% dependant on diet and training.

This has NOTHING to do with us not wanting "Fatty's" to use steroids
It has to do with the health factor and the imbalance of Estrogen when someone with high BF uses AAS!

Please know what you are talking about before spewing garbage on this board.
We have doctors, and some very HIGHLY educated people on this board that will call out your BS.

Wonderful about your weightloss !! Kudos to you !!
But keep up this disrespectful attitude here and you won't be here much longer1

Have a nice day !!

[NewyorkGiant]

OK< NYG, consider this a warning. There is no need for name calling especially from a NEW member.

Not sure what ASA is, BUT AAS will NOT do take the place of proper diet and training.YES they will help but it is 80% dependant on diet and training.

This has NOTHING to do with us not wanting "Fatty's" to use steroids
It has to do with the health factor and the imbalance of Estrogen when someone with high BF uses AAS!

Please know what you are talking about before spewing garbage on this board.
We have doctors, and some very HIGHLY educated people on this board that will call out your BS.

Wonderful about your weightloss !! Kudos to you !!
But keep up this disrespectful attitude here and you won't be here much longer1

Have a nice day !!

thanks for the unbais you have toward new and former "fattys" unreal you jar heads are.
i guess you just dissmissed the fact that he insulted me a few times before this post correct?

[NewyorkGiant]

and i was not talking about the health concerns, that is a seprate issue i was reffering to the ones saying over weight people would not see the results which is bs if you ask me. you would know that if you bothered to read my posts.

[SMAN12b]

thanks for the unbais you have toward new and former "fattys" unreal you jar heads are.
i guess you just dissmissed the fact that he insulted me a few times before this post correct?

I didnt' dismiss anythiong, I read the entire thread. YOU are the one instigating this drama from the very first comment with your attitude and namecalling as you have done here in this post as well. I did NOT call you any names, but yet you feel the need to call me a Jar Head??

You seem pretty tough over the internet... i am scared....LOLOL

consider this thread and YOU reported enjoy the rest of your stay

[NewyorkGiant]

I didnt' dismiss anythiong, I read the entire thread. YOU are the one instigating this drama from the very first comment with your attitude and namecalling as you have done here in this post as well. I did NOT call you any names, but yet you feel the need to call me a Jar Head??

You seem pretty tough over the internet... i am scared....LOLOL

consider this thread and YOU reported enjoy the rest of your stay

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Please know what you are talking about before spewing garbage on this board.

especially from a NEW member

[SMAN12b]

u know steroids start working a lot quicker than 6 weeks.. u just might feel the major kick-in then.. Even Marcus300 says short cycles can be done with long acting esters.. For his purposes I believe a 6 week cycle could have indeed been beneficial... My HR goes up in saome days after administering Test E for example (from 60 BPM to 80)... I dont believe his ideas are a good way to go BUT not believing him and flaming when nothing he has said is indeed impossible is IMO wrong..

Hippo,

If you are going to reference a method used by a well respected member like Marcus, Please make sure you understand that method before PARROTTING it!!

In order to use long esters in "short" cycle, you must use very HIGH doses in the beginning to get blood levels up quickly..... not recomended for a novice user and NOR does it work with the way NYG is using it in a 6 week cycle

IT IS A WASTE period whether it may have SOME effect or not, he would have been better off using Test Prop for 6 weeks and gotten MORE results....that is the waste part.........

[*Narkissos*]

/me looks around for steroid question

/me finds none

/me moves thread to the lounge

Narkissos