Back on the Gas *Short cycle

[V_Vandetta]

yes cant wait I start my short cycle tomorrow ... I am really lookingt forward to this . it will be 4 weeks long and here what i am running

HGH
tren A
test E
NPP

I am so ready for this .. But special thanks to marcus300 for all his help with everything... on priming and cycle advise . so props to marcus for all his help.. I will keep you bros posted on how it goes ... and it pays to read his threads

[Hackamaniac]

Good luck big V!

[Knockout_Power]

yes cant wait I start my short cycle tomorrow ... I am really lookingt forward to this . it will be 4 weeks long and here what i am running

HGH
tren A
test E
NPP

I am so ready for this .. But special thanks to marcus300 for all his help with everything... on priming and cycle advise . so props to marcus for all his help.. I will keep you bros posted on how it goes ... and it pays to read his threads

When you run this cycle @ that length, what dosages are you working with and what sort of gains can you expect?

[Hellmaskbanned]

What are your dosages V?
PM me if you have to.

[V_Vandetta]

What are your dosages V?
PM me if you have to.

sure bro I will Pm them .... dont want it in the open fourm

[Knockout_Power]

sure bro I will Pm them .... dont want it in the open fourm

oops, sorry V, didnt mean to ask any sensitive info... My bad. How about the other question about gains you expect over just the 4 weeks. Is this a gaining or strictly maintainance cycle?

[2deizel]

why test e for only 4 weeks?

[V_Vandetta]

oops, sorry V, didnt mean to ask any sensitive info... My bad. How about the other question about gains you expect over just the 4 weeks. Is this a gaining or strictly maintainance cycle?

no problem bro .. I wont post cycle dose for several reason One being that dose for the short cycle is based on cycle experinace . and I dont want some newbie reading this thread and going with it ........ this will be a gaining cycle adding mass .. it will be the first time with this system .. but as far as gains I am open on that , 10-15 pounds would be great ... I am an old fart in this game and the real trick is PCT keeping the gains ... but like anything you have to try and see....

[V_Vandetta]

why test e for only 4 weeks?

it will be dose responsive and a long estor ... but the key is dose

[BG]

Test-e, why not prop?

[Knockout_Power]

... I am an old fart in this game and the real trick is PCT keeping the gains ... but like anything you have to try and see....

gotcha, my next question was about the PCT, how long do you run it? I assume this cycle will be heavier dosages, so do you need heavier PCT considerations or as though it were a regular cycle just shorter time with PCT?

[V_Vandetta]

Test-e, why not prop?

part of the short cycle look for a PM from me

[AnabolicAndre]

Hey V are you on TRT?

Is that why you are running a long ester test, Because you are already on a dose of test?

[V_Vandetta]

Hey V are you on TRT?

Is that why you are running a long ester test, Because you are already on a dose of test?

No not as of now >>>TRT the long estor test is part of the short cycle.. taken from marcus300 advise which i am going to follow .. thus far it seems in order .... where my trouble may arise is PCT I alreday have crappy Hpta .. from long cycles from the past i fuction at 65% which is not all that bad ... given my history ..... but this is not my first rodeo ... I will keep you bros up to date .. but if there is any problems I will stop and Pct

[*Narkissos*]

I'd like a PM too

[V_Vandetta]

I'd like a PM too

LOL coming at ya

[AnabolicAndre]

No not as of now >>>TRT the long estor test is part of the short cycle.. taken from marcus300 advise which i am going to follow .. thus far it seems in order .... where my trouble may arise is PCT I alreday have crappy Hpta .. from long cycles from the past i fuction at 65% which is not all that bad ... given my history ..... but this is not my first rodeo ... I will keep you bros up to date .. but if there is any problems I will stop and Pct

Ohhhh I follow. Are you concerned running with progesterone sides from running NPP and TREN together, I mean you said you have a crappy HPTA and those two particular compounds being pretty suppressive.

[AnabolicAndre]

oh duh 4week cycles! Good luck V keep us posted!

[*Narkissos*]

LOL coming at ya

got it thanks

[marcus300]

Long esters can be used with short burst cycles its the dose what counts in making it affective, normally long esters are used for the first 14-16days then swapped to short esters so it clears for when the cycle ends,

But alot as to do with the individual and his history and dosages what he as used, if you respond to long esters then go with it, if you don't,do what works, with short cycling you have all the answers to what compounds you need to take with looking back over your history, dosages varies drastically between individuals,

V as a great knowledge of his history and how is body reacts to certain Gear, V had all the answers to what works not me,

One major thing with short cycling is the prime, this will make the cycle far more affective, gains are normally about a 1lb a day for between day 1-18ish this also varies but thats the normal, but Ive seen massive amounts of gains and Ive seen little, its something what you need to try and see if it works,

Once you have designed the cycle and you got the prime in order then one last thing as to be in place and thats the training, full dedication and all out intense training is required 24hr dedication with your diet also, it is hard training like this but you can mentally prepare yourself for it because its only for the 30 days or so the cycle lasts,

I am confident that V will be pleased with the results.

[rodge]

i see more and more people jump on the short cycle bandwagon

would'nt sustanon be a better choice for the first part of the cycle instead of test-e as it has some prop in it but still is dosed at 250mg.

-rodge

[perfectbeast2001]

can I have a PM too!!

[Titan1]

test suspension must be good for a short cycle but short cycles is NOT better for HPTA look at this:The Journal of Pharmacology And Experimental Therapeutics, Vol 281, No. 1; 93-102, 1997.

HPTA Suppression Is Imminent

Anyone who’s used anabolic steroids for any length of time will easily observe that when they discontinue using, they invariably "crash." That is to say, their body is producing next to zero endogenous androgens. This can lead to significant loss of muscle gain, loss of strength gains, lethargy, depression and a whole host of other disorders. Of course, drugs like HCG, HMG, clomiphene and similar gonadotrophics can help to ameliorate such symptoms, but these aren’t 100% cure-alls. The success or failure of such secondary drug use varies considerably between individuals.

This study utilized ten healthy male volunteers who were randomized to receive either the phenylpropionate or decanoate ester of nandrolone via intramuscular, oily depo injection. A single injection of only 100 mg of nandrolone phenylpropionate caused almost complete suppression of endogenous Testosterone by day three and lasted until around day eight.

Endogenous levels of Testosterone didn’t return to baseline levels for almost fifteen days, while the same type of injection with nandrolone decanoate caused almost complete inhibition of endogenous by day four. Endogenous levels of Testosterone didn’t return to baseline levels for greater than twenty days! All this from a single, 100-mg injection of nandrolone!

This tells me that no matter what you do, whether it’s a short lasting ester or a long lasting ester, you’ll end up totally shutting down your body’s ability to make androgens for at least two to three weeks. Since nobody (well, at least nobody male) uses only 100 mg of nandrolone per week, it’s reasonable to conclude that the suppression caused by 500mg of an esterified anabolic per week (an average dose) would be much greater than two to three weeks. This study didn’t deal with fast acting orals like stanozolol and oxandrolone, but there’s no reason to think that these won’t cause HPTA insult as well.

It means that HPTA insult is inevitable and should be planned for accordingly in your cycle. That is to say, you should plan on crashing for a few weeks post-cycle no matter what. Because of this, you’re going to want to extend and "beef up" your cycle so that you overshoot your final goal.

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[marcus300]

test suspension must be good for a short cycle but short cycles is NOT better for HPTA look at this:The Journal of Pharmacology And Experimental Therapeutics, Vol 281, No. 1; 93-102, 1997.

HPTA Suppression Is Imminent

Anyone who’s used anabolic steroids for any length of time will easily observe that when they discontinue using, they invariably "crash." That is to say, their body is producing next to zero endogenous androgens. This can lead to significant loss of muscle gain, loss of strength gains, lethargy, depression and a whole host of other disorders. Of course, drugs like HCG, HMG, clomiphene and similar gonadotrophics can help to ameliorate such symptoms, but these aren’t 100% cure-alls. The success or failure of such secondary drug use varies considerably between individuals.

This study utilized ten healthy male volunteers who were randomized to receive either the phenylpropionate or decanoate ester of nandrolone via intramuscular, oily depo injection. A single injection of only 100 mg of nandrolone phenylpropionate caused almost complete suppression of endogenous Testosterone by day three and lasted until around day eight.

Endogenous levels of Testosterone didn’t return to baseline levels for almost fifteen days, while the same type of injection with nandrolone decanoate caused almost complete inhibition of endogenous by day four. Endogenous levels of Testosterone didn’t return to baseline levels for greater than twenty days! All this from a single, 100-mg injection of nandrolone!

This tells me that no matter what you do, whether it’s a short lasting ester or a long lasting ester, you’ll end up totally shutting down your body’s ability to make androgens for at least two to three weeks. Since nobody (well, at least nobody male) uses only 100 mg of nandrolone per week, it’s reasonable to conclude that the suppression caused by 500mg of an esterified anabolic per week (an average dose) would be much greater than two to three weeks. This study didn’t deal with fast acting orals like stanozolol and oxandrolone, but there’s no reason to think that these won’t cause HPTA insult as well.

It means that HPTA insult is inevitable and should be planned for accordingly in your cycle. That is to say, you should plan on crashing for a few weeks post-cycle no matter what. Because of this, you’re going to want to extend and "beef up" your cycle so that you overshoot your final goal.

_________________

long esters or short esters or even no esters can all be used with short cycles, if long esters are used a high dose is required so this should only be for the advanced BB, someone who knows exactly what works and what he responds to, any form of AAS can be if you respond to it,

All i can give here is some experience on the HPTA being shutdown, if you shut it down for a long number of weeks lets say 12 weeks it is harder to recovery than shutting it down for only a few days lets say 4 weeks, the longer your on the harder it is to recover, this also varies in many some bounce back straight away and some it takes weeks, but more or less the longer your system is shutdown the harder it is to recover

[marcus300]

i see more and more people jump on the short cycle bandwagon

would'nt sustanon be a better choice for the first part of the cycle instead of test-e as it has some prop in it but still is dosed at 250mg.

-rodge

Yes if thats what you respond well to, any kind would be good, there is no secret weapon with gear, each of us with some history have the answers to what works,

Priming is the secret for added advantage which will make the cycle more affective

[Swifto]

test suspension must be good for a short cycle but short cycles is NOT better for HPTA look at this:The Journal of Pharmacology And Experimental Therapeutics, Vol 281, No. 1; 93-102, 1997.

HPTA Suppression Is Imminent

Anyone who’s used anabolic steroids for any length of time will easily observe that when they discontinue using, they invariably "crash." That is to say, their body is producing next to zero endogenous androgens. This can lead to significant loss of muscle gain, loss of strength gains, lethargy, depression and a whole host of other disorders. Of course, drugs like HCG, HMG, clomiphene and similar gonadotrophics can help to ameliorate such symptoms, but these aren’t 100% cure-alls. The success or failure of such secondary drug use varies considerably between individuals.

This study utilized ten healthy male volunteers who were randomized to receive either the phenylpropionate or decanoate ester of nandrolone via intramuscular, oily depo injection. A single injection of only 100 mg of nandrolone phenylpropionate caused almost complete suppression of endogenous Testosterone by day three and lasted until around day eight.

Endogenous levels of Testosterone didn’t return to baseline levels for almost fifteen days, while the same type of injection with nandrolone decanoate caused almost complete inhibition of endogenous by day four. Endogenous levels of Testosterone didn’t return to baseline levels for greater than twenty days! All this from a single, 100-mg injection of nandrolone!

This tells me that no matter what you do, whether it’s a short lasting ester or a long lasting ester, you’ll end up totally shutting down your body’s ability to make androgens for at least two to three weeks. Since nobody (well, at least nobody male) uses only 100 mg of nandrolone per week, it’s reasonable to conclude that the suppression caused by 500mg of an esterified anabolic per week (an average dose) would be much greater than two to three weeks. This study didn’t deal with fast acting orals like stanozolol and oxandrolone, but there’s no reason to think that these won’t cause HPTA insult as well.

It means that HPTA insult is inevitable and should be planned for accordingly in your cycle. That is to say, you should plan on crashing for a few weeks post-cycle no matter what. Because of this, you’re going to want to extend and "beef up" your cycle so that you overshoot your final goal.

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Another reason why I think HCG is so important whilst "on".

[V_Vandetta]

well it would seem that some disagree with the short cycle and or compounds... I picked what compounds i respond to marcus300 help put things in place ... also I am waiting for my blood work (which was last week) should be ready today So .. with that i think this will work and 1lb a day Yes it worth the time money and training ... also diet 5-6000 cals a day is no easy task ..... but in all things will work If not stop .. than PCT ....

You never know unless you try .... So first shots is today

[marcus300]

well it would seem that some disagree with the short cycle and or compounds... I picked what compounds i respond to marcus300 help put things in place ... also I am waiting for my blood work (which was last week) should be ready today So .. with that i think this will work and 1lb a day Yes it worth the time money and training ... also diet 5-6000 cals a day is no easy task ..... but in all things will work If not stop .. than PCT ....

You never know unless you try .... So first shots is today

As agreed V swap the test e on day 15 to prop so it lines up with pct, i have faith in this ive seen it many times work with amazing results, you sound like the prime is spot on which as alot to do with growth,

I will state again, long esters can be used but a high dose is required, with V he responds very well to test e so thats the base for the start, and with his cycle history he can take a large amount of test, remember its only for 30 days, 24hr dedication

[Swifto]

Yes if thats what you respond well to, any kind would be good, there is no secret weapon with gear, each of us with some history have the answers to what works,

Priming is the secret for added advantage which will make the cycle more affective

The faster your shutdown also makes it harder to recover. Which seems as though it would occur in short cycles pretty rapidly, due to the higher doses being used. I think we would agree larger doses of androgens would cause shutdown far more rapidly.

[GGallin]

Well after I try my 10 week cycle which I just started, maybe I will reasearch more and consider a short cycle myself. Would you say a short cycle would be more healthy than say a long cycle?

[marcus300]

The faster your shutdown also makes it harder to recover. Which seems as though it would occur in short cycles pretty rapidly, due to the higher doses being used. I think we would agree larger doses of androgens would cause shutdown far more rapidly.

We not talking about shutdown we all know this occurs its recovery whats important,

Short cycles are not always high dose, but yes of course you get shutdown, but being shutdown for a large number of weeks is far worse than shutdown for a 20 days, recovery is better and quicker normally (there are exception to everything but more or less shorter is better for the HPTA recovery)

[V_Vandetta]

As agreed V swap the test e on day 15 to prop so it lines up with pct, i have faith in this ive seen it many times work with amazing results, you sound like the prime is spot on which as alot to do with growth,

I will state again, long esters can be used but a high dose is required, with V he responds very well to test e so thats the base for the start, and with his cycle history he can take a large amount of test, remember its only for 30 days, 24hr dedication

will do brotha ....going to swap on day 15 to the prop ... cant wait to see how well this works... and the prime was easy ( becasue of experinace ) I feel great and let the poundage begain LOL

[marcus300]

Well after I try my 10 week cycle which I just started, maybe I will reasearch more and consider a short cycle myself. Would you say a short cycle would be more healthy than say a long cycle?

Everyone is differnt to what cycles work for them, sometimes you can tell if you noramlly cycle and all the gains are in the first part of the cycle, short cycles would be ideal for someone like that, but prime is the key for them to work

[Swifto]

We not talking about shutdown we all know this occurs its recovery whats important,

Short cycles are not always high dose, but yes of course you get shutdown, but being shutdown for a large number of weeks is far worse than shutdown for a 20 days, recovery is better and quicker normally (there are exception to everything but more or less shorter is better for the HPTA recovery)

I see what your saying.

I havent ever done a short cycle and dont want to knock it to I try it!

But...

I dont like the thought of shutting my HPTA down, then recovering, then shutting it down, recovering etc...Doesnt look healthy at all IMHO. I think thats shown by the emotional problems and deppression PCT often brings.

[GGallin]

Everyone is differnt to what cycles work for them, sometimes you can tell if you noramlly cycle and all the gains are in the first part of the cycle, short cycles would be ideal for someone like that, but prime is the key for them to work

Sorry I am a noob, what do you mean by priming?

[marcus300]

I see what your saying.

I havent ever done a short cycle and dont want to knock it to I try it!

But...

I dont like the thought of shutting my HPTA down, then recovering, then shutting it down, recovering etc...Doesnt look healthy at all IMHO. I think thats shown by the emotional problems and deppression PCT often brings.

Wooow you got it wrong, you cycle and recover just like any type of cycle, i always advice a good prime again before another cycle begins because thats were the results come from, many do on and off cycling short cycles with bridges Pro's use that alot, but id advice good primes between cycles thats what its all about,

[marcus300]

Sorry I am a noob, what do you mean by priming?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=231569

[V_Vandetta]

Sorry I am a noob, what do you mean by priming?

great read


http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=231569

[V_Vandetta]

I see what your saying.

I havent ever done a short cycle and dont want to knock it to I try it!

But...

I dont like the thought of shutting my HPTA down, then recovering, then shutting it down, recovering etc...Doesnt look healthy at all IMHO. I think thats shown by the emotional problems and deppression PCT often brings.

for My self with 15 week cycles .... how soon before I shut down ? within weeks .. now as marcus said the longer on the longer HPTA is suppressed for long periods the harder PCT recovery ... which In my case is True thats why i cant do long cycles anymore with out cruiseing between ( most of the time ) but IMO 3 weeks shutdown VS 12-15week shut down 3 weeks would be much easyer to recover from ... if not bridge or cruise .... also would it reall matter what dose you take becasue in the end or at some point you shut down ( depending on compound ).. also as said the prime is key... i didnt fullly understand untill i completed it .... how it would work .. but know I see ....

but you are right as well swift you will be shut down just at what point is recovery the best and effective

[Bigmax]

Hey V...foward the pm to me if you dont mind..I'd like to compare with the ones that marcus and I have come up with for my cycles..