Interesting ballot measures that passed in Arizona.

[Logan13]

Interesting ballot measures that passed in Arizona.
BAILABLE OFFENSES Passed
Referendum Objective: This proposition would amend the Arizona Constitution to prohibit bail for any person who is charged with a serious felony offense (as determined by the Legislature) if the person charged entered or remained in the United States illegally and the court finds proof that the person committed the crime is evident or the presumption that the person committed the crime is great.
Sponsor: Legislature
Status: On Ballot (Proposition 100)

STANDING IN CIVIL ACTIONS Passed
Referendum Objective: This proposition would prohibit a person who wins a civil lawsuit from receiving punitive damages if the person is an alien who entered the United States in violation of federal immigration law.
Sponsor: Legislature
Status: On Ballot (Proposition 102)

ENGLISH AS THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE PassedReferendum Objective: This proposition would replace the existing provision of the Constitution of Arizona with a new provision establishing English as the official language of this state. Any person performing an official act of the state or a local government would be required to preserve, protect and enhance the role of English as the official language.
Sponsor: Legislature
Status: On Ballot (Proposition 103)

THE PROTECT ARIZONA MARRIAGE AMENDMENT Did not pass
Initiative Objective: "This proposed amendment to the Arizona Constitution preserves “marriage” as only consisting of the union of one man and one woman, and prohibits creating or recognizing any legal status for unmarried persons that is similar to that of marriage."
Sponsor: Protect Marriage Arizona
Status: On Ballot (Proposition 107)

[Tock]

Sorry, but the "Protect Arizona Marriage Amendment" thing did not pass.
Evidently, folks in Arizona are not as opposed to gay marriage as folks in other states.

[Teabagger]

The opposition to the Ban Gay Marriage run a very effective disinformation campaign, and the supporters of the bill did not do much in terms of TV ads. The TV ads protrayed the Amendment as taking away seniors social security who just lived together and were not married. They also indicated domestic partners would lose rights...which is wrong, and a lie. A similar measure was on the ballot 2 years ago and it passed with over 80% voting for it.

It was a small victory for them yesterday, but I guarantee the backlash has already started. The measure will be on the ballot again in 2 years and the campaign for it will be long and brutal. People can be fooled, especially old folks who are afraid of losing income, but once they realilze they have been duped they tend to become very angry. See ya in two years.

[biglouie250]

It was a small victory for them yesterday, but I guarantee the backlash has already started. The measure will be on the ballot again in 2 years and the campaign for it will be long and brutal. People can be fooled, especially old folks who are afraid of losing income, but once they realilze they have been duped they tend to become very angry. See ya in two years.

that sounds rather condensending. its amazing how short sighted people can be.

[Teabagger]

that sounds rather condensending. its amazing how short sighted people can be.

Oh...OK.

[biglouie250]

Oh...OK.

how does it personally affect you? i can understand not wanting tax dollars to go somewhere you dont believe in IE Stem cell research. I dont agree with it, but i understand the argument......im sorry but i dont see a valid argument against gay marriage. let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

[RA]

how does it personally affect you? i can understand not wanting tax dollars to go somewhere you dont believe in IE Stem cell research. I dont agree with it, but i understand the argument......im sorry but i dont see a valid argument against gay marriage. let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

I dont know anyone thats not a sinner. People can still have deeply heald religious beliefs that a man should not marry a man.

Personally Im on the fence with the issue but I dont scoff at those are for or opposed.

[biglouie250]

I dont know anyone thats not a sinner. People can still have deeply heald religious beliefs that a man should not marry a man.

Personally Im on the fence with the issue but I dont scoff at those are for or opposed.

got ya. listen i can understand if you dont believe in it, but does that mean you should prevent them from doing it? it doesnt affect any single person other then that particular gay couple. if you are deeply religious then you shouldnt marry a man, dont push your beliefs on others. i understand your point on why you wouldnt want your tax dolllars going to stem celll research but this isnt a tax dollar issue, its an individual decision and core republican beliefs which i believe in say that less govt intervention is better.

[RA]

got ya. listen i can understand if you dont believe in it, but does that mean you should prevent them from doing it? it doesnt affect any single person other then that particular gay couple. if you are deeply religious then you shouldnt marry a man, dont push your beliefs on others. i understand your point on why you wouldnt want your tax dolllars going to stem celll research but this isnt a tax dollar issue, its an individual decision and core republican beliefs which i believe in say that less govt intervention is better.

and I can see your argument. Thats why Im on the fence

[Kärnfysikern]

Interesting ballot measures that passed in Arizona.BAILABLE OFFENSES
Referendum Objective: This proposition would amend the Arizona Constitution to prohibit bail for any person who is charged with a serious felony offense (as determined by the Legislature) if the person charged entered or remained in the United States illegally and the court finds proof that the person committed the crime is evident or the presumption that the person committed the crime is great.
Sponsor: Legislature
Status: On Ballot (Proposition 100)

sounds resonable

STANDING IN CIVIL ACTIONS
Referendum Objective: This proposition would prohibit a person who wins a civil lawsuit from receiving punitive damages if the person is an alien who entered the United States in violation of federal immigration law.
Sponsor: Legislature
Status: On Ballot (Proposition 102)

Could not this possibly make it alot easier for employers of illegal imigrants to abuse the hell out of them?

ENGLISH AS THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGEReferendum Objective: This proposition would replace the existing provision of the Constitution of Arizona with a new provision establishing English as the official language of this state. Any person performing an official act of the state or a local government would be required to preserve, protect and enhance the role of English as the official language.
Sponsor: Legislature
Status: On Ballot (Proposition 103)

Isnt this more or less a unspoken rule over there? Swede has no official language either but I have never seen that as a problem

THE PROTECT ARIZONA MARRIAGE AMENDMENTInitiative Objective: "This proposed amendment to the Arizona Constitution preserves “marriage” as only consisting of the union of one man and one woman, and prohibits creating or recognizing any legal status for unmarried persons that is similar to that of marriage."
Sponsor: Protect Marriage Arizona
Status: On Ballot (Proposition 107)[/QUOTE]

Bullshit

[RA]

Isnt this more or less a unspoken rule over there? Swede has no official language either but I have never seen that as a problem



People are getting pissed because it used to be when you came to this country you would learn our language. Now a growing population refuses and we have to press 1 for english

[Kärnfysikern]

People are getting pissed because it used to be when you came to this country you would learn our language. Now a growing population refuses and we have to press 1 for english

sounds stupid. Is it in the states close to the mexican border?

[RA]

sounds stupid. Is it in the states close to the mexican border?

You do see it more in the southern U.S. but Michigan also has a very large arab population and many refuse to learn english. I cant remember where the guy was but he put a sign up outside his restaraunt. You must order in English...funny, if you cant speak it, how would you read the sign..


Seems like penn or ohio

[Logan13]

Sorry, but the "Protect Arizona Marriage Amendment" thing did not pass.
Evidently, folks in Arizona are not as opposed to gay marriage as folks in other states.

My bad, it was my intention to post the illegal immigrant bills. I have edited my first post.

[Logan13]

sounds stupid. Is it in the states close to the mexican border?

I live in the Midwest, and every day I see more and more things posted in English and Spanish. "Please press 1 for Spanish, 2 for English" This shit is getting old.

[mcpeepants]

You do see it more in the southern U.S. but Michigan also has a very large arab population and many refuse to learn english. I cant remember where the guy was but he put a sign up outside his restaraunt. You must order in English...funny, if you cant speak it, how would you read the sign..


Seems like penn or ohio

I think that happened at Philly cheese steak shop in philly

[Teabagger]

sounds stupid. Is it in the states close to the mexican border?

Yes Arizona borders Mexico. Whats the point? The US WAS a melting pot...legal immigrants came to this country, German, Swedes, Norweigian, Polish, Italian, etc...and adopted English as their new language. They "assimilated" into the society, and became successful citizens.

Now thanks to the well intended, but misguided left, the US is more like a tossed salad not a melting pot. The "new immigrants" Arab, Russian, Mexican, South American, refuse to adopt English as their language. This burdens our school systems and government agencies by needing tax dollars to employ multi-lingual workers to serve those who do not want to assimilate. This is not good for the US, and has not been good for France, Britian, etc...So now the people are fed up...saying you come here to live, better adapt to our ways, cause we're done adapting to yours. Not stupid at all...

[RA]

I think that happened at Philly cheese steak shop in philly

I think your right. The guy caught all kinds of flack for telling people they had to order in English. Im all for voting it our official language.

[Kärnfysikern]

Yes Arizona borders Mexico. Whats the point? The US WAS a melting pot...legal immigrants came to this country, German, Swedes, Norweigian, Polish, Italian, etc...and adopted English as their new language. They "assimilated" into the society, and became successful citizens.

Now thanks to the well intended, but misguided left, the US is more like a tossed salad not a melting pot. The "new immigrants" Arab, Russian, Mexican, South American, refuse to adopt English as their language. This burdens our school systems and government agencies by needing tax dollars to employ multi-lingual workers to serve those who do not want to assimilate. This is not good for the US, and has not been good for France, Britian, etc...So now the people are fed up...saying you come here to live, better adapt to our ways, cause we're done adapting to yours. Not stupid at all...

Well I totaly agree with the bold part and what is stupid is that its even a issue, i,e that people are so daft that they dont learn the language in the country the live, I think its stupid that english has to be legaly made the official language because it should be so obvious it is already.

[Phreak101]

Well I totaly agree with the bold part and what is stupid is that its even a issue, i,e that people are so daft that they dont learn the language in the country the live, I think its stupid that english has to be legaly made the official language because it should be so obvious it is already.

Logan said it best, it's to the point where we are writing new laws to enforce the old ones....pathetic.

[DSM4Life]

You do see it more in the southern U.S. but Michigan also has a very large arab population and many refuse to learn english. I cant remember where the guy was but he put a sign up outside his restaraunt. You must order in English...funny, if you cant speak it, how would you read the sign..


Seems like penn or ohio

This happened in phila. at a cheesesteak spot. There was a sign saying the same thing, "You must order in English and speak slowly."

As far as the other topics go, i said it before and i'll say it again
All religion does is separate people.

[DSM4Life]

I think that happened at Philly cheese steak shop in philly

didn't see this post, but you are correct.

[humungus88]

I like this guy


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