Where did the theory of only running masteron @ a low BF % come from ?

[guest589745]

Can anyone explain this to me because it has never made sense and I just read a post recomending that again by someone else.

I want a thorough explanation to damnit!!

[GHO5T]

Can anyone explain this to me because it has never made sense and I just read a post recomending that again by someone else.

I want a thorough explanation to damnit!!

no clue bro

[guest589745]

no clue bro

Thats not the kind of thorough explanation I was talking about!!

[GHO5T]

Thats not the kind of thorough explanation I was talking about!!

[Bigmax]

Hey skull,Masteron is a compound that guys use for pre- contest...It gave you BBers hard rock look...when guys werent getting the same effect off season so they right away assumed it wasnt worth it.

[Bigmax]

But I would guess you knew this...

[Random]

I think the reason is that like others stated, the effects can be seen much more--hardness, vascularity and pumps---while at a lower bf so its used during contest prep...

i have used it in the final wks of preparing for a show, and it does work well for hardness, and vascularity,

however offseason it CAN certainly be used, however the thing is, i think the misconception comes from being that offseson, it will mostly just provide you with a nice strength gain--so in comparison it may be like a primo when used offseason--however once you are lower in BF, the effects can be seen much more and it would seem like a stronger compound then...

i feel that masteron would still be a great choice for an offseason cycle at 700-1000mg per wk, it would provide a nice strength gain as well as added hardness, and be even more effective while cutting...

CD

[guest589745]

I think the reason is that like others stated, the effects can be seen much more--hardness, vascularity and pumps---while at a lower bf so its used during contest prep...

i have used it in the final wks of preparing for a show, and it does work well for hardness, and vascularity,

however offseason it CAN certainly be used, however the thing is, i think the misconception comes from being that offseson, it will mostly just provide you with a nice strength gain--so in comparison it may be like a primo when used offseason--however once you are lower in BF, the effects can be seen much more and it would seem like a stronger compound then...

i feel that masteron would still be a great choice for an offseason cycle at 700-1000mg per wk, it would provide a nice strength gain as well as added hardness, and be even more effective while cutting...

CD

Thanks.

I am running it @ 500mg a week now with npp/tp/dbol

But what, people don't report any decent size gains on masteron? Don't you think gains from anything are dose dependant, no necessarily the BF % you are at?

Maybe it is commonly used at a too low dose of and that is where this came from partially ?

[guest589745]

But I would guess you knew this...

Yea but thanks

[Random]

But what, people don't report any decent size gains on masteron? Don't you think gains from anything are dose dependant, no necessarily the BF % you are at?

Hmm who knows, maybe not many users run it while bulking because of that myth?

either way 500-1000mg of mast should be great...

[guest589745]

People make masteron out to sound like a steroid that will only cut a littel fat off you and I just don't beleive that.

I'll have to see firsthand I suppose.

[GHO5T]

Thanks.

I am running it @ 500mg a week now with npp/tp/dbol

But what, people don't report any decent size gains on masteron? Don't you think gains from anything are dose dependant, no necessarily the BF % you are at?

Maybe it is commonly used at a too low dose of and that is where this came from partially ?

hey bro, i was interested in adding npp into my next cycle, just wondering what you think if it since your running it

[guest589745]

hey bro, i was interested in adding npp into my next cycle, just wondering what you think if it since your running it

Nandrolone is my favorite steroid so far in my use. I am running it @ 800mg.

[Random]

People make masteron out to sound like a steroid that will only cut a littel fat off you and I just don't beleive that.

Well it was the final wks of the contest prep, so my body coulda been resistant to further fatloss, but my fat loss from the masteron was minimal....

[perfectbeast2001]

masteron doesnt cut fat it hardens you up. What would be the point of hardening up muscle laying under a load of BF. It will put minimal to no size on you either.

[Bigmax]

Hey skull ive ran it pre-contest and bulk...its a matter of preference...The dosages??..you'll have to pm me bro...

[BigUno]

i did masteron with sust awhile back and i loved the combo worked for me kept bloatin down

[guest589745]

masteron doesnt cut fat it hardens you up. What would be the point of hardening up muscle laying under a load of BF. It will put minimal to no size on you either.

See what I mean ?


You have actually ran it before PB ?


And are you saying at any dose that is all it will do ?

[perfectbeast2001]

yes i ran it in my last cutting cycle. Prop,Winny,tren, masteron. Hardened me up and have me some sick pumps but not much else. I will run it at the end of my upcoming cut too.

[guest589745]

What dose ?

[Hellmaskbanned]

masteron doesnt cut fat it hardens you up. What would be the point of hardening up muscle laying under a load of BF. It will put minimal to no size on you either.

That's what I was always told aswell. I personally never tried nor ever will try masteron.

But the same is said about Winstrol, and I saw many benefits from running winstrol with my BF @ 15%.

[perfectbeast2001]

winstrol is very different, it will put size on you as well as quality and hardness. I ran masteron at 100mg ED for 4 weeks. It is similar to proviron - would you expect size gains from proviron?? NO! I don't understand what is so hard to comprehend. Masteron is an EXCELLENT pre contest or hardening compound but it wont put size on you.

[guest589745]

It is similar to proviron - would you expect size gains from proviron?? NO!

I hear ya but, you can't really compare them in the aspect of what causes muscle gains though, they are still different.

I'll just have to run it myself and see.

Thanks for everyones input.

[guest589745]

I still have no idea how a muscle can be "harder" from masteron. I mean, you either have muscle or you don't. As well, I have no clue what a "soft" muscle is, which is what I am assuming you have before you use masteron.....?

We'll see I guess, maybe I'll learn a thing or two.

[Random]

Well masteron is DHT derived so it will make muscle harder as well...

[perfectbeast2001]

I still have no idea how a muscle can be "harder" from masteron. I mean, you either have muscle or you don't. As well, I have no clue what a "soft" muscle is, which is what I am assuming you have before you use masteron.....?

We'll see I guess, maybe I'll learn a thing or two.

It give you a harder drier appearance, it does not turn "soft" muscle "hard".

[fLgAtOr]

I'd like to hear Nark's opinion as well...I think he likes it.

[DecimaMAS]

I'm going to post my results on this very topic as I'll be using a combination of Dianabol and Masteron while training. My goal isn't to gain mass, so much as improve the quality of what I already have.

At this point, I'm 185lbs, 5'8" and somewhere between 11-14% body fat (depending on the method used--calipers say around 13%).

[Rocky IV]

i know that u have to have low body fat..all it does is make you very hard,,but it doesnt really dry you out like winni...so if you have high fat percentage what happens when your muscles get harder?? they are just harder you wont see the benifits of any change by the eye becuase your muscles that are hardening are coverd by a thik layer of fat,,so in that case youl look the same as before you took it just maby a few pounds heaver and feeling rock hard..but visually the same as before...that y ppl ten to take winni at higher body phat becuase when it takes away exess water to to lowering estrogen,,even if your body fat is high you can still see the difference when loosing water wieght

[guest589745]

ppl ten to take winni at higher body phat becuase when it takes away exess water to to lowering estrogen,,even if your body fat is high you can still see the difference when loosing water wieght

Drostanolone reduces estrogen too and is more androgenic than people think.
Androgens promote lypolysis as well.

[guest589745]

How does a muscle get harder without adding fiber as well and therefore size?

Makes little sense to me.

[DecimaMAS]

Precisely. It adds density to the muscle. I don't think there's a single guy who's been on a serious cycle of the stuff who hasn't reported "stronger pumps" in the gym.

[vitor]

How does a muscle get harder without adding fiber as well and therefore size?

Makes little sense to me.

Makes no sense to me neither.

But I do agree that masteron is not an ideal muscle builder. Maybe because it has a structure similar to the androgen DHT(moreso than primo and winny), DHT is not particulary anabolic in muscle tissue, this is why Proviron isnt anabolic.

I think masteron is a strong androgen and a greate strenght builder. Since it also lowers estrogen levels in the body (it will shed some water obviously) its effects(vascularity, hardening) are more notebol on the dude with low bf, but thats really how it is with all compounds.

[Logan13]

Can anyone explain this to me because it has never made sense and I just read a post recomending that again by someone else.

I want a thorough explanation to damnit!!

It is hard to appreciate muscle hardness and increased vascularity through 2 inches of fat...........
not thorough but at least to the point.

[Logan13]

IMO, I do not think that 5% BF is the cutoff, but you should be able to see some striation before using it.

[guest589745]

It is hard to appreciate muscle hardness and increased vascularity through 2 inches of fat...........
not thorough but at least to the point.

Isn't it hard to appreciate ANY steroids effects with too much bodyfat ?

Why is drostanolone singled out in this aspect ?

[Random]

Isn't it hard to appreciate ANY steroids effects with too much bodyfat ?

Ha i know what you mean man but put it this way...

powerlifters appreciate the strength gains from steroids, and most of them are Fat as Fvck!

CD

[Logan13]

Isn't it hard to appreciate ANY steroids effects with too much bodyfat ?

Why is drostanolone singled out in this aspect ?

It depends on your goals. If pure mass is your goal, there are obviously much better AAS to accomplish it. Mast is just not a mass drug, more of a cutter drug. I have used it twice and loved the results!

[Random]

Mast is just not a mass drug, more of a cutter drug

I agree, great drug,

along with that, most steroids can be used for bulking or cutting, it mostly depends on the diet and supplementation....

i guess im not really sure where this thread is goin???

[guest589745]

It depends on your goals. If pure mass is your goal, there are obviously much better AAS to accomplish it. Mast is just not a mass drug, more of a cutter drug. I have used it twice and loved the results!

How exactly, is masteron "More of a "cutter" " ? How does it work in a way that it mostly (Only ?) causes fat loss (Or muscle "hardness") ?