Eq pains........this is horrible

[moush]

hey guys i am nearing the end of my Test E and Eq cycle. I am in my 13th week of the total 16. My elbow joints are killing me and the bottom of my bicep (the opposite side of the elbow). Alsolute pain! I cant do heavy curls or shoulder presses anymore because of the pain. Anyone else experience this pain? ANy way to bring down the pain? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks

[Diesel]

The Test E should have helped with this. However, EQ does dry your joints out. This is why I run a minimal amount of Deca along side it.
I would suggest glucosamine but that takes four weeks to really kick in.
You got four weeks left, you could up the Test E dose to try and increase water retention.

When I run EQ without Deca I can't walk up a flight of stairs by week 9.

D

[hung-solo]

The Test E should have helped with this. However, EQ does dry your joints out. This is why I run a minimal amount of Deca along side it.
I would suggest glucosamine but that takes four weeks to really kick in.
You got four weeks left, you could up the Test E dose to try and increase water retention.

When I run EQ without Deca I can't walk up a flight of stairs by week 9.

D

i could be wrong but i thought eq was good for the joints? correct if i am please

[jmp51483]

i could be wrong but i thought eq was good for the joints? correct if i am please

Yup, I was under the same impression... Back to the research Boards for us Mk :-D

[Diesel]

i could be wrong but i thought eq was good for the joints? correct if i am please

Not at all.
It is great for vascularity. Hence, very little to no water retention = joint pain.

D

[MotoLifter]

The Test E should have helped with this. However, EQ does dry your joints out. This is why I run a minimal amount of Deca along side it.
I would suggest glucosamine but that takes four weeks to really kick in.
You got four weeks left, you could up the Test E dose to try and increase water retention.

When I run EQ without Deca I can't walk up a flight of stairs by week 9.

D

I'm gonna run this cycle soon, I take glucosamine anyway, but what would you consider a minimal dose of deca? I dont wanna run into this problem when I'm on.

[Da Bull]

Not at all.
It is great for vascularity. Hence, very little to no water retention = joint pain.

D

Exactly.......there's been an article floating around saying EQ is better for the joints than deca....but ppl fail to realize it was written in a persons oppinion and had NO data to back up his claims.his claim was it brought up collogen levels in the joints to some astounding number....but in the meantime every one has joint pain on EQ.

[hung-solo]

Not at all.
It is great for vascularity. Hence, very little to no water retention = joint pain.

D

k thanx for the correction. back to the research board we go! WWEEEEEEE!!

[Diesel]

I'm gonna run this cycle soon, I take glucosamine anyway, but what would you consider a minimal dose of deca? I dont wanna run into this problem when I'm on.

I usually will run 200mg/wk deca along side the EQ and my Test intake ALWAYS is higher than the EQ/Deca doseage.
However, I have a bad knee that has been operated in twice.
I should have asked at what dose he was running the Test E and EQ. If the Test E is at a lower doseage than the EQ, that could be the problem as well.

D

[TheMudMan]

I'm gonna run this cycle soon, I take glucosamine anyway, but what would you consider a minimal dose of deca? I dont wanna run into this problem when I'm on.

200mg /wk

[Spoon]

thats just the news i did not want to hear. im running test e/eq on august. oh well i shall find out for myself.

[idence]

i could be wrong but i thought eq was good for the joints? correct if i am please

That is what I've been told.

[Diesel]

Most people do experience discomfort running EQ.

However, not all experience unbearable pain.

I believe mine stems from my knee ops.

D

[TheMudMan]

That is what I've been told.

I'm running Prop/EQ/Winny because there's no water retention with any of the compounds I'm using my joints have been pretty dry...... if it wasn't for the glucosamine and tons of water I drink my joints would be a lot sorer than they are now........

[Diesel]

I'm running Prop/EQ/Winny

I'd be a cripple on that stack.

D

[fabry]

great news!
never heard about mixin eq and deca but sounds it is the right way to go!!!
tnx diesel

[fabry]

another question... if somenone decide to run 500mg cyp 400 eq, adding 200mg deca will cause a bad ratio "test/other drugs"... do u understand what i mean?
tnx

[idence]

I'm running Prop/EQ/Winny because there's no water retention with any of the compounds I'm using my joints have been pretty dry...... if it wasn't for the glucosamine and tons of water I drink my joints would be a lot sorer than they are now........

Im going to run a Cyp/EQ/Winny my self. glucosamine? Is that used for rebuilding and repairing of cartliage. Chondroitin lubes joints? -Makes sense I'm glad I checked the thread.

[Diesel]

another question... if somenone decide to run 500mg cyp 400 eq, adding 200mg deca will cause a bad ratio "test/other drugs"... do u understand what i mean?
tnx

I understand.

You should be just fine.

D

[idence]

another question... if somenone decide to run 500mg cyp 400 eq, adding 200mg deca will cause a bad ratio "test/other drugs"... do u understand what i mean?
tnx

EQ and Deca will be in your system for 5-6 months. If all that I've read is correct. But I belive they have to be testing for Juice NCAA,NFL, MLB. Not to many check on random drug test for juice. Please correct me if im wrong.

[Diesel]

EQ and Deca will be in your system for 5-6 months. If all that I've read is correct. But I belive they have to be testing for Juice NCAA,NFL, MLB. Not to many check on random drug test for juice. Please correct me if im wrong.

I'm not sure what your question is on the drug testing.

For the record, Deca and EQ can be detected upwards to 18 months after your cycle.

D

[fabry]

my question had nothing to do with drug test or similar stuff, tnx anyway.
i make u this exemple...
it is always suggested to run Eq or Deca at a lower dosage than Test.
accordin to this i was planning to run 400 test cyp and 300/350 eq per week, right?
now, if i add another 200mg deca, ill take more "other drugs" than test! is this ok or i have to increase test?
or maybe just go with 300eq and only 100mg deca with 400mg test!
tnx for help.

[Diesel]

Sorry....EQ is upwards to 5 months.

Deca is upwards to 18 months.

D

[Diesel]

my question had nothing to do with drug test or similar stuff, tnx anyway.
i make u this exemple...
it is always suggested to run Eq or Deca at a lower dosage than Test.
accordin to this i was planning to run 400 test cyp and 300/350 eq per week, right?
now, if i add another 200mg deca, ill get more "other drugs" than test! is this ok or i have to increase test?
or maybe just go with 300eq and only 100mg deca with 400mg test!
tnx for help.

Give me some personal stats so I can help you a bit better.

Will this be your first cycle?

D

[fabry]

no, 2nd cycle.
ive done a test dbol before,planned for 12 wks but had to stop after only 7-8 coz of a low back problem.
cycle was:
1-4 30mg dbols
1-12 250mg test enanth E4D
(anti e's, pct, liver protectants etc etc)

im not interestin in huge mass that is why i was thinkin about eq over deca, but i dont want to risk and bad sides like joint pain or sh!t like that.

2nd cycle was supposed to be:
1-10 test cyp 400mg
1-11 eq 300mg
11-12-13-14 prop @ 75/100mg EOD till pct

im 184 cm and my weight is now 85kg but was over 93kg after cycle (i lost and im stilll loosing fat coz im now cuttin wiith eca and clen)

tnx for your help

[philthy1]

i am about to run 750 Enth with 400 EQ also, is it worthwhile to look into GNC joint lubricating supplements?

[Diesel]

im not interestin in huge mass that is why i was thinkin about eq over deca, but i dont want to risk and bad sides like joint pain or sh!t like that.

2nd cycle was supposed to be:
1-10 test cyp 400mg
1-11 eq 300mg
11-12-13-14 prop @ 75/100mg EOD till pct

im 184 cm and my weight is now 85kg but was over 93kg after cycle (i lost and im stilll loosing fat coz im now cuttin wiith eca and clen)

tnx for your help

OK, I have to admit that I am not good with the metric conversion thing. I think 85kg is around 200lbs.

You can run those doses and add 100mg/wk deca to see how it goes. If you experience any joint pain you could jump the deca to 200mg/wk without increasing your test intake.

I would also move the prop to the start of the cycle to give you a jump start.

If I'm being unclear at all, let me know.

Moush...sorry for hijacking your thread bro.

D

[Diesel]

i am about to run 750 Enth with 400 EQ also, is it worthwhile to look into GNC joint lubricating supplements?

Screw GNC.

Honestly I get my glucosamine from CVS. Just as good and half the price.

D

[fabry]

thinkin about prop at the beginnin myself too. or dbols, much cheaper!!!!
sorry for coming into this thread, but i think this will be useful for other people.
tnx to all of u.

[moush]

well i am using glucosamine with chondroitin and MSM and i still have joint probs! I drink tons of water too. I am using nolva and l-dex also. I am running 500mg Test E/wk and 400mg Eq/wk and i was planning on using winnie for the last couple of weeks but I think thats out of the question with the way things are going.

[Krunchtime]

well i am using glucosamine with chondroitin and MSM and i still have joint probs! I drink tons of water too. I am using nolva and l-dex also. I am running 500mg Test E/wk and 400mg Eq/wk and i was planning on using winnie for the last couple of weeks but I think thats out of the question with the way things are going.

exact cycle im running. except im running 300mg of eq a week. Havent had any joint pain yet but Im just in week 2

[sp9]

MSM for joint pain? http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshel...25,807,00.html

[Diesel]

well i am using glucosamine with chondroitin and MSM and i still have joint probs! I drink tons of water too. I am using nolva and l-dex also. I am running 500mg Test E/wk and 400mg Eq/wk and i was planning on using winnie for the last couple of weeks but I think thats out of the question with the way things are going.

Stop using the L-dex for the last few weeks and see if it helps at all.
I never use it when running EQ.

D

[UrbanDawg]

i could be wrong but i thought eq was good for the joints? correct if i am please

EQ strengthens tendons via collagen synth etc blah blah
it is nuetral on lubing joints. I run Deca with it - the 2 are a good co,pliment

[hatchblack]

no, 2nd cycle.
ive done a test dbol before,planned for 12 wks but had to stop after only 7-8 coz of a low back problem.
cycle was:
1-4 30mg dbols
1-12 250mg test enanth E4D
(anti e's, pct, liver protectants etc etc)

im not interestin in huge mass that is why i was thinkin about eq over deca, but i dont want to risk and bad sides like joint pain or sh!t like that.

2nd cycle was supposed to be:
1-10 test cyp 400mg
1-11 eq 300mg
11-12-13-14 prop @ 75/100mg EOD till pct

im 184 cm and my weight is now 85kg but was over 93kg after cycle (i lost and im stilll loosing fat coz im now cuttin wiith eca and clen)

tnx for your help

I would frontload with some Dbol and look into shooting the prop ED instead of EOD. I would only run the prop for the last 2 weeks so that you could start PCT sooner as well. 4 weeks of shots is alot.

[Diesel]

I would frontload with some Dbol and look into shooting the prop ED instead of EOD. I would only run the prop for the last 2 weeks so that you could start PCT sooner as well. 4 weeks of shots is alot.

Two weeks of prop at the end is a waste IMO.

In addition, he is presently cutting and wants to remain lean so I think prop would be a better front load than Dbol.

D

[lollipops]

Currently having a similar problem. I am running winny, test e, and eq now, nearing the end of my cycle. I know what you mean with the pain, but no pain no gain. I suggest drinking a lot of water and taking glucosamine. I like to use 4 glucosamine tabs per day with winnie. You can get 120 of 2000mg of glucosamine at Wal-Mart for $13. Go there quick!

[hatchblack]

Two weeks of prop at the end is a waste IMO.

In addition, he is presently cutting and wants to remain lean so I think prop would be a better front load than Dbol.

D

Point taken. I would figure the Dbol would keep some more water in the joints though. I was just talking about finishing with the prop for two weeks so that you could start PCT right after your last shot. Well 3 days after at least.

[moush]

well i have been takin glucosamine for the past year, but i was hoping there was something else to combat the pain

[dirtdawg]

thanks for posting this thread, i was going to do test and EQ, but now i might switch to fina