The real deal or MyoGenX

[BOOST]

Just seeing what the feedback is, I am already on the dark side and would have a tough time being convinced.

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[cfiler]

I'm planning on adding it to my next PCT.

Or off cycle with a AI, I could see it being usefull.

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Everyone who's tried it has been satisfied.

[briansauras]

do you need to use an AI with it?

[pigrond]

i plan on using it as soon as my pct is finished ,if it helps me keep my strength up for my next cycle ,ill buy a bunch of it just to have for off cycle training.

[perfectbeast2001]

I plan on using it as soon as I can buy it in UK or Anthony takes pity on me and sends some

[affliction]

i have tried supplements be4 and percursors, nothings compares..to aas...especially if you know what ur doing......

[cfiler]

do you need to use an AI with it?

Nope, they don't need to be run together.

But, with a AI, I should be able to raise test levels much higher than normal and drop estrogen levels at the same time.

[cfiler]

I'd expect it to be pretty effective while off cycle.

Could even go and run it with some HGH and slin while off. That could possibly make up one heck of a great stack.

If it's as potent as it apears, it could be a great addition to clen cycles aswell.

I'm definately going to try some after my upcoming cycle.

[BOOST]

Do you need PCT after this stuff?

[magic32]

Do you need PCT after this stuff?

It is PCT, essentially.

M.

[vecchio82]

I would say run it 2 weeks before, during, and after your cycle. I think it will make recovery alot easier if included with a proper PCT. It acts like a natural HCG, i.e.-keeps your balls from shrinking.

[G-1000]

Is it worth that much more money then trib?

[vecchio82]

Well, I've taken Trib before, and to me at least, it is definitely worth the extra money. I had little to no results from Trib, but MyogenX definitely gave me tangible results.

[GauchB]

I don't know much about it; however, I know somone whohas used and was very happy with results although it he said aas is far superior.

So i guess it's all in what you want to get out of it.

Good Luck

[Liftnainez]

I would say run it 2 weeks before, during, and after your cycle. I think it will make recovery alot easier if included with a proper PCT. It acts like a natural HCG, i.e.-keeps your balls from shrinking.

Interesting..Can somebody back this up? I know its not exactly HCG, but does it mimic the the way it works in the slightest form, bc for my next pct I am going to run, aromasin,nolva,provirion and some creatine.. would adding this make my pct that much better?

[vecchio82]

I am not exactly sure about the chemical process behind this. I can just say that while taking it, I had that heavy balls feeling. They were definitely bigger. Anthony?

[vitor]

Liftnainez-Anti-estrogens only increase testosterone levels by blocking the inhibition by estrogen on the HPTA axis,
while Myogenx is supossed to cantain a Saponin plant that increase androgen properties by raising LH.

Imo AI+Myogenx would be very effective since thay increase T-levels from 2 diffrent angels.
When natty T-levels increase(if myogenx is used alone) there will be more aromatasion to estrogen which might inhibit the Pituitary somewhat again, another reasen for using them together.

[Swifto]

Liftnainez-Anti-estrogens only increase testosterone levels by blocking the inhibition by estrogen on the HPTA axis,
while Myogenx is supossed to cantain a Saponin plant that increase androgen properties by raising LH.

Imo AI+Myogenx would be very effective since thay increase T-levels from 2 diffrent angels.
When natty T-levels increase(if myogenx is used alone) there will be more aromatasion to estrogen which might inhibit the Pituitary somewhat again, another reasen for using them together.

Vitor...We think too alike.

Agreed.

My add this to my AI cruise after my next cycle. BW would be very intresting indeed.

[Liftnainez]

Liftnainez-Anti-estrogens only increase testosterone levels by blocking the inhibition by estrogen on the HPTA axis,
while Myogenx is supossed to cantain a Saponin plant that increase androgen properties by raising LH.

Imo AI+Myogenx would be very effective since thay increase T-levels from 2 diffrent angels.
When natty T-levels increase(if myogenx is used alone) there will be more aromatasion to estrogen which might inhibit the Pituitary somewhat again, another reasen for using them together.

thanks very much for the resonse vitor! your always helping out! thanks

[Liftnainez]

Vitor...We think too alike.

Agreed.

My add this to my AI cruise after my next cycle. BW would be very intresting indeed.

and if swifto backs him up i know all is well!

[Swifto]

Liftnainez-Anti-estrogens only increase testosterone levels by blocking the inhibition by estrogen on the HPTA axis,
while Myogenx is supossed to cantain a Saponin plant that increase androgen properties by raising LH.

Imo AI+Myogenx would be very effective since thay increase T-levels from 2 diffrent angels.
When natty T-levels increase(if myogenx is used alone) there will be more aromatasion to estrogen which might inhibit the Pituitary somewhat again, another reasen for using them together.

By blocking the amount of estrogen receptors already active in the Hypothalamus.

[vitor]

By blocking the amount of estrogen receptors already active in the Hypothalamus.

Yup, thats what I meant.

I read some medical studies which said that up to 50% of inhibition on testosterone(HPTA) in males, is from estrogen alone. Thats probaly why some Docs are starting to use anti-estrogens as a HRT protocal in some cases.

[The_Canibal]

Yup, thats what I meant.

I read some medical studies which said that up to 50% of inhibition on testosterone(HPTA) in males, is from estrogen alone. Thats probaly why some Docs are starting to use anti-estrogens as a HRT protocal in some cases.

very useful info
thx

[Swifto]

very useful info
thx

More reasons why AI's can be used sensibly "off" cycle.

[The_Canibal]

More reasons why AI's can be used sensibly "off" cycle.

a more "feasible" option..than cruising with primo...are there any health risks involved?how does it affect the pituitary...

[Swifto]

a more "feasible" option..than cruising with primo...are there any health risks involved?how does it affect the pituitary...

AI's arnt really designed primarily for men. Their for women fighting forms of breast cancer. Often more effective then SERM's. So one could state their use on men isnt documented aswell as womens and studies havent been carried out on men (Well...I'm yet to see one!) Grey area IMHO.

Some Endriconologists use AI's for HRT purposes, or to try to correct a low level of T in a subject proir to administering HRT/TRT. HRT/TRT being the last final straw.

I've seen endriconologists state there use should be limited in the long run and use should be monitored by a professional regulalry. Some are against, some for.

Anyway...

Primo will suppress you HPTA and at massive doses or for prolonged peroids can cause "shutdown" (build up of androgen receptors in the Hypothalamus) so its not ideal to use long peroids. Though a low dose may not cause "shutdown", only inhibition.

I may try Primo at a low dose 400mg/wk after using it at a higher dose cycling for a few weeks and see how my BW comes back. If my Pituitary has begun to function again, after larger doses and other compounds, I may stay on it a little longer. All in the BW.

I think if I were you I'd try the AI when "off" and get BW done 1-2 weeks before and 4-5 weeks after. Try Aromasin 12.5-25mg/ED or Arimidex 0.75-1mg/ED.

[BOOST]

Very Interesting.

Would you Bro's just run this with PCT or stand alone?

[magic32]

I would say run it 2 weeks before, during, and after your cycle. I think it will make recovery alot easier if included with a proper PCT. It acts like a natural HCG, i.e.-keeps your balls from shrinking.

It wouldn't make a lot of sense to run this during, as it primarily boosts natty, which isn't being produced once a cycle is really in gear.

Originally Posted by Boost.

Would you Bro's just run this with PCT or stand alone?

It could be used both ways: 1) to increase non/off cycle test and; 2) to restore natty levels post cycle.

M.

[yourmom]

What AI do you recommend?

[magic32]

I say try the big three (L-dex, A-dex, Aromasin) and see which works best for you.

But if you've had Gyno...Letro!

M.

[reppedout1]

i'm goona use it in my pct and to cruise between cycles,i never wanna be in a non anabolic stage if i can help it

[magic32]

i'm goona use it in my pct and to cruise between cycles,i never wanna be in a non anabolic stage if i can help it

Why?

Cruising prevents the restoration of natty, right?
Test boosters increase natty, right?
Therefore, if natty cannot be restored due to cruising, test boosters have nothing to boost.

M.

[reppedout1]

sorry i gess i meant to say bridge my bad

[magic32]

No problem bru, I just wanted to make sure you weren't wasting your supp.

M.

[reppedout1]

good lookinout man,appreciate it

[Swifto]

sorry i gess i meant to say bridge my bad

Bridge with what exactly?

[reppedout1]

myogenx,between my 2 cycles a year,just to keep myself in an anabolic stage

[Swifto]

myogenx,between my 2 cycles a year,just to keep myself in an anabolic stage

And an AI if needed.