Short/Heavy cycle...critique please

[GotGuns]

Having read several articles about short/heavy cycles from Marcus and others I have trashed the idea of running a test prop/tren /eq 12 week cycle. I've started my prime for 6 weeks and plan to start mid-feb. Stats: 6 foot, 232lbs, 11% bf, training 8 years, 7 cycles thus far. My thoughts are this...

1.25g test/wk for 5 wks
1g tren/wk for 5 wks

My questions are these...
1. Which test is best - Prop, Cyp or Enth? I guessed Prop as it guess it would have to be fast acting.
2. Is the Tren important in this kind of cycle and would you recommend 1g per week(only for 5 weeks remember)?

Many thanks for the advice

[Swifto]

Having read several articles about short/heavy cycles from Marcus and others I have trashed the idea of running a test prop/tren /eq 12 week cycle. I've started my prime for 6 weeks and plan to start mid-feb. Stats: 6 foot, 232lbs, 11% bf, training 8 years, 7 cycles thus far. My thoughts are this...

1.25g test/wk for 5 wks
1g tren/wk for 5 wks

My questions are these...
1. Which test is best - Prop, Cyp or Enth? I guessed Prop as it guess it would have to be fast acting.
2. Is the Tren important in this kind of cycle and would you recommend 1g per week(only for 5 weeks remember)?

Many thanks for the advice

Intresting cycle. Please post a log or all your results.

[G-1000]

Hold up a min.
I dont think you have a clue about tren at 1g. There are few of us who have done it at that dose. Have you run tren before.??? if so what does??? You also did not state what ester you wont to run.

As for test i would run a short ester like prop.

[GotGuns]

Intresting cycle. Please post a log or all your results.

I'll start a daily log as soon as all kicks off.

[GotGuns]

Hold up a min.
I dont think you have a clue about tren at 1g. There are few of us who have done it at that dose. Have you run tren before.??? if so what does??? You also did not state what ester you wont to run.

As for test i would run a short ester like prop.

Tren A. I've run Tren at 500mg/wk previously and got really good gains - I understand that it may not seem high to some, but if more is required then more will be used or is 1g a little too much?

[G-1000]

If i was you i would start at 700mg week. 100mg ed. %00 to 1g a week in tren is a huge jump. Soo how you feel after the first 2 weeks.

The sides with tren at 1g are a bitch.

[GotGuns]

If i was you i would start at 700mg week. 100mg ed. %00 to 1g a week in tren is a huge jump. Soo how you feel after the first 2 weeks.

The sides with tren at 1g are a bitch.

Many thanks. I shall be doing a log on here so you can all see how things are going and what the sides are like (hopefully little)

[G-1000]

If i was you i would run a dht in there as well. You can add winny at 700mg week also. The tren and winny make for a mean cycle.

[armbar83]

What would be some other recommended compounds and combinations for a 4 or 5 week cycle like this?

So far prop/tren and winny/tren....

But what else?

Thanks!

[Warrior]

Having read several articles about short/heavy cycles from Marcus and others I have trashed the idea of running a test prop/tren /eq 12 week cycle. I've started my prime for 6 weeks and plan to start mid-feb. Stats: 6 foot, 232lbs, 11% bf, training 8 years, 7 cycles thus far. My thoughts are this...

1.25g test/wk for 5 wks
1g tren/wk for 5 wks

My questions are these...
1. Which test is best - Prop, Cyp or Enth? I guessed Prop as it guess it would have to be fast acting.
2. Is the Tren important in this kind of cycle and would you recommend 1g per week(only for 5 weeks remember)?

Many thanks for the advice

1. Prop... mg per mg it will deliver more testosterone due to a lighter ester and it will give you more control over blood levels for this type of cycle design. If you can get your hands on some good prop - I would go that route.

2. I would lower the tren dose. You are suggesting 2.25 grams per week for your total weekly steroid use. I think that more of this total should come from testosterone and less from the trenbolone. I am also concerned too much trenbolone (a progestin like Deca) could really impact the HPTA... you would have testosterone, estrogen, trenbolone, progesterone kicking your HPTA into shutdown. We want quick HPTA recovery...

I would love to hear thoughts from Marcus regarding heavy progestin use during these short/heavy cycles... and if it is still an easy recovery. If you do run that much tren - I would be very interested to hear feedback...

In all honesty, if this is the first time you have tried cycling this way; just go with 2.25g of straight testosterone for 4-5 weeks. Get your feet wet - then play with it a little...

Good luck with your prime - keep a log! I'll be watching for it.

[evil pepsi]

yea, me too...

[G-1000]

1. Prop... mg per mg it will deliver more testosterone due to a lighter ester and it will give you more control over blood levels for this type of cycle design. If you can get your hands on some good prop - I would go that route.

2. I would lower the tren dose. You are suggesting 2.25 grams per week for your total weekly steroid use. I think that more of this total should come from testosterone and less from the trenbolone. I am also concerned too much trenbolone (a progestin like Deca) could really impact the HPTA... you would have testosterone, estrogen, trenbolone, progesterone kicking your HPTA into shutdown. We want quick HPTA recovery...

I would love to hear thoughts from Marcus regarding heavy progestin use during these short/heavy cycles... and if it is still an easy recovery. If you do run that much tren - I would be very interested to hear feedback...

In all honesty, if this is the first time you have tried cycling this way; just go with 2.25g of straight testosterone for 4-5 weeks. Get your feet wet - then play with it a little...

Good luck with your prime - keep a log! I'll be watching for it.

No way in hell. He will need hcg clomid nolv and a otc test buster for the last few weeks.

I have done high dose cycle of tren. It's not all that fun.

[GauchB]

that is a butt load of tren!!
many sides poss at that dose especially since your receptors are going to be at 1.5-1.75% inhibated generally from your first dose with your new dose 1g your receptors will most likely be all shorts of wacked out and the sides will then grow exponetially.

also how long ago did you last use tren?


Prop is prob best choice

[GotGuns]

that is a butt load of tren!!
many sides poss at that dose especially since your receptors are going to be at 1.5-1.75% inhibated generally from your first dose with your new dose 1g your receptors will most likely be all shorts of wacked out and the sides will then grow exponetially.

also how long ago did you last use tren?


Prop is prob best choice

it's been 10 months since i last used tren - it's been a long 10 months waiting for that feeling of strength again.

[GauchB]

it's been 10 months since i last used tren - it's been a long 10 months waiting for that feeling of strength again.

You can't beat that feeling!!!! Except Sex.

that's a good amount of time, and i hope your pct was good.
I would in all honesty go with 750mg. If your heart is set on 1g then i would say do a flip flop dose. 1 wk with 750 next with 1g etc...

Good luck my buddy absolutely gets a hardon for tren and wishes he could make love to it. Hope you have fun tossin the sh*t out of those weights.

[GotGuns]

You can't beat that feeling!!!! Except Sex.

that's a good amount of time, and i hope your pct was good.
I would in all honesty go with 750mg. If your heart is set on 1g then i would say do a flip flop dose. 1 wk with 750 next with 1g etc...

Good luck my buddy absolutely gets a hardon for tren and wishes he could make love to it. Hope you have fun tossin the sh*t out of those weights.

cheers bro!
I'll be logging everything on here - there's gonna be some blood spilt in the gym!

[GauchB]

Hell yeah!!!
That's what I like to hear!!

[Warrior]

No way in hell. He will need hcg clomid nolv and a otc test buster for the last few weeks.

I have done high dose cycle of tren. It's not all that fun.

How long did you run at that dose?

Even if the use is only kept to 4 weeks - I would be concerned about the suppression... the key is to hit the system hard and fast - then go back to homeostatis leaving the HPTA basically sayin, "WTF was that?!?" - with minimal shutdown.

[marcus300]

If your going to do a heavy short cycle the dose what you would use is worked off your cycle history also compounds used within this cycle are designed from your results from previous cycles, also i wouldnt like to comment on the dose you should use because i dont have your previous history and i wouldnt discuss the dose on the open forum only by PM, the dose you posted isnt what i call a heavy cycle, but on the other hand it may be for your cycle history,

You can use long esters or short but with long ester a large amount is usually needed so in this case i would stick with a short ester unless you have great results with longer ones,

Tren is a powerful compound and when used within a short cycle or long cycle gains are very good,but if used with a heavy short cycle many report sides and bad recovery so caution is needed remeber its not what your looking for when doing a short cycle, experienced users of tren will use it and they know best how to fully recover so a lot of history using tren is needed especailly at a high dose, have you ran it before? if you did how did you respond? at what dose did you use it at? what sides did you recieve? how was recovery?

When designing a cycle use compounds what work for you, you have got 7 previous cycle under your belt take a look back over them and see what works with your body and what you respond well to,

Priming is the most important thing you can do when cycling, make sure you prime correctly and create that very anabolic enviroment and open the window for a growth spurt, dont be to harsh with yourself while priming do it slowly and try not to lose any muscle tissue only Body fat, its all these factors when put together what make it work so take your time designing the cycle and plan the diet and intense training program.