Just got out of ths hospital, no more juice.

[Ironman5151]

Well,

I've been having problems lately with my blood pressure and heart rate. I was rushed to the hospital last week with a heart rate of 217 and blood pressure was 192/108. Doctor said I about 30mins to live or i would have went into cardiac-a-rest(spell?) and would have died immediately. They kept for 3 days, and they still don't really don't know what the problem is. They just say its from my steroids. I'm still going for updates. Well to make a long story short, I'm only 22 and its time for a break from the juice . I talked to my doctor about running hgh year around to give my body a break from the juice. He named off tons of negative side effects, which I didn't think there was many. I just know by using the the hgh, and igf it would give my heart and blood pressure a rest while I can still grow at some increasing rate. I read the steroid profile on this website but it didn't give me many side effects on it. Will somebody post me some links to some studies that talk about the positive and negative side effects of hgh and igf. It would be greatly apprecaited, and don't you think this would be a better route for a little while to let my body take a break from the steroids? Thanks...going to the hopsital at the age of 22 scaed this sh** out of me but i love what I do.

Just glad to have a fourms like this one to get help and to be educated on different drugs.

[stayinstacked]

I'd get your ass back to the hospital, I'd see a different Dr. and have some more tests done to pinpoint the real problem. Your only 22 years old, you couldn't have possibly cycled enough juice to cause any long term effects or heart damage. Were you currently on cycle during this? If so what and how much? I'm just finding this really hard to believe that it's directly related to steroids

[BigMaus]

I'd get your ass back to the hospital, I'd see a different Dr. and have some more tests done to pinpoint the real problem. Your only 22 years old, you couldn't have possibly cycled enough juice to cause any long term effects or heart damage. Were you currently on cycle during this? If so what and how much? I'm just finding this really hard to believe that it's directly related to steroids

Yeah...indeed!
Most of them always point at the aas.
Without even looking at the real problem.

[moresize]

how long was your cycle and what did you run?

sound more like you were on some sort stimulant, but good luck

[Ironman5151]

I took a half a vigra pill(just 25mgs), and supposly their saying that has triggered all this. I just checked my blood pressure and its 183/91 so just got ahold of my doctor and headed there(they flushed my body for 3 days, so the vigra should be gone and I'm still having problems). Thanks for all the support and concern from everyone. My parents don't understand about the juice and how much I love what I do, so its good to have people to share my problems with. When I get back tonight, i'll post my cycle history. I'm currently running 1000mg test e, 600mg deca, and 400mg trea acetate a week right now(eod injection). 5th week in. Their saying the tren and vigra is doing something to my blood. I post when I get back from doctor.

It aggervates me that I was in the hospital for three days, they release me, and two days later I went back for the same problem reoccuring. All they did was injected with an i.v., gave me 4 types of shots and then released me with no medicine(that was last night). Now here I am today feelling the same sypmtoms all over, so maybe my doctor will give me something ~ shrugs ~.

[*Narkissos*]

I don't see how viagra could have triggered your high blood pressure episode.. as viagra lowers bllod pressure.

Actually.. this was the purpose it was created for.

I will say that your drug dosages are on the high side.

Test especially...and you didn't note whether you were running an AI or not.

Tren increase BP as well.

[prncezzml]

Did you have any past existing heart conditions (just out of curiousity)?

[Smart-tony]

I would get the 2006 anabolic reference and read the book.You don't need to go that high of dose for a cycle.

[longhorn814]

first off, youre only 22 so you dont need juice and you dont need that high of doses either. Second if you almost went into cardiac arrest, I would get off everything and stay off until you know what the hell is going on with your body. They wont be able to figure out what is wrong with you if youre still on juice or anything else. Come on here, have a little common sense here bro. Is your life really worth risking over this?

[BG]

first off, youre only 22 so you dont need juice and you dont need that high of doses either. Second if you almost went into cardiac arrest, I would get off everything and stay off until you know what the hell is going on with your body. They wont be able to figure out what is wrong with you if youre still on juice or anything else. Come on here, have a little common sense here bro. Is your life really worth risking over this?

Agreed, I would also get a second opinion.

[SukaDaddio]

first off, youre only 22 so you dont need juice and you dont need that high of doses either. Second if you almost went into cardiac arrest, I would get off everything and stay off until you know what the hell is going on with your body. They wont be able to figure out what is wrong with you if youre still on juice or anything else. Come on here, have a little common sense here bro. Is your life really worth risking over this?

He says it best, amen brotha

[Ironman5151]

Did you have any past existing heart conditions (just out of curiousity)?

Nope, never had any problems ever before. Even ran the same cycle at lower dosages.

first off, youre only 22 so you dont need juice and you dont need that high of doses either. Second if you almost went into cardiac arrest, I would get off everything and stay off until you know what the hell is going on with your body. They wont be able to figure out what is wrong with you if youre still on juice or anything else. Come on here, have a little common sense here bro. Is your life really worth risking over this?

I love what I do. No its not wroth risking my life, but do you expect to one day fall over from heart probelms when you have been using steroid for 3 years(off and on) at the age 22, no. Yes I understand I should have waited but I'm sure there are many others on this board that wish the would have waited. The type of problems I'm having dont occur eveyday. If I was going to risk my life, I would coninute the steroid when I got out of the hopsital. Last time I check, everybody on this board is risking their life to some certain extent. I agree about my dosages, but I broke the Alabama state record last summer, and was training to break the world record this feburary. Thats why I was at such high dosages. I'm only 22 and was benching 540lbs before being admitted to this hospital. I wasn't just taking the high dosage for fun. I was attempting to set a record that not many people my age are capable of doing. Thanks for the input bro. I'm defintily going to take a break. Thats why I'm reserching the sides of growth to run year around to give my heart and blood pressure some rest.



I started working-out at the age 18, weighing 150lbs. Couldn't even bench 135lb(natural weak as*). Before being addmitted to the hospital, I just turned 22 two weeks ago, and I'm 230lb with 8.5%bf. Thats 80lbs in 4.8 years. Bench went from 135lb to 495lbs raw, 540lbs with shirt.

[Ironman5151]

Couple questions for the smart people:


1) Doctor said my muscle enzymes levels were 1500, and normal should be 200. Is this from the intense training and high dosages of steroids or just from the cardic-a-rest that I about went into?


2) Will someone give me some links on positive and negative side effects of hgh? Do you think this would be a good alternative for a little while. Maybe run 5iu's year round?

3) What do you think about me running growth year round, IGf-lr3 every other month. Thats first option, assuming this will give me heart and blood pressure a break. Second option running growth year round, igf-lr3 every other month, and the month I'm on the igf add in 250-500mg of prop the month that i'm on the igf to rapidly grow the new muscle cells that I'm getting or should I just wait later on and run a monderate 10 weeks cycle?




Just an update, Doctor put me on a beta blocker for 2 weeks to help control my blood pressure. I feel like a new person already. Why I'm having the high blood pressure is still unknown. He assuming ths high blood pressure will go away in two weeks, assuming its form the allergic reaction they think I had with the tren and vigra. If they washed the vigra out of me, I'm wondering why I'm still feeling like this ????


Thanks all the input and suggestions everyone has inputed. All I know is I love working out

[longhorn814]

I love working out too as do most people on here, but if youre having such major problems at such a young age, why are you even considering running more drugs such as HGH or IGF? Do you feel you can not make gains naturally? At your age, you should be able to make good gains naturally.

[rock75]

I took a half a vigra pill(just 25mgs), and supposly their saying that has triggered all this. I just checked my blood pressure and its 183/91 so just got ahold of my doctor and headed there(they flushed my body for 3 days, so the vigra should be gone and I'm still having problems). Thanks for all the support and concern from everyone. My parents don't understand about the juice and how much I love what I do, so its good to have people to share my problems with. When I get back tonight, i'll post my cycle history. I'm currently running 1000mg test e, 600mg deca, and 400mg trea acetate a week right now(eod injection). 5th week in. Their saying the tren and vigra is doing something to my blood. I post when I get back from doctor.

It aggervates me that I was in the hospital for three days, they release me, and two days later I went back for the same problem reoccuring. All they did was injected with an i.v., gave me 4 types of shots and then released me with no medicine(that was last night). Now here I am today feelling the same sypmtoms all over, so maybe my doctor will give me something ~ shrugs ~.

Wow 22 yrs old and all ready using such high dosages - and people wonder why steroids get a bad rep. You probably don't even take any time off either, cause you love what you do. Guess what I love what I do, I LIVE!!!

And you still feel the same, and probably still took your shots today - cause you love what you do. You're age is really shining through bro, and it's a shame!!!!!

[rock75]

Couple questions for the smart people:


1) Doctor said my muscle enzymes levels were 1500, and normal should be 200. Is this from the intense training and high dosages of steroids or just from the cardic-a-rest that I about went into?


2) Will someone give me some links on positive and negative side effects of hgh? Do you think this would be a good alternative for a little while. Maybe run 5iu's year round?

3) What do you think about me running growth year round, IGf-lr3 every other month. Thats first option, assuming this will give me heart and blood pressure a break. Second option running growth year round, igf-lr3 every other month, and the month I'm on the igf add in 250-500mg of prop the month that i'm on the igf to rapidly grow the new muscle cells that I'm getting or should I just wait later on and run a monderate 10 weeks cycle?

Ok, so you have no clue why you almost when in to cardiac-arrest you still want to figure out how you can continue to use steroids, not how you can live - not a very mature way of looking at things


Just an update, Doctor put me on a beta blocker for 2 weeks to help control my blood pressure. I feel like a new person already. Why I'm having the high blood pressure is still unknown. He assuming ths high blood pressure will go away in two weeks, assuming its form the allergic reaction they think I had with the tren and vigra. If they washed the vigra out of me, I'm wondering why I'm still feeling like this ????

One major side effect of steroids is HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE - the higher the dosages, the higher the risk - and you've all ready admitted to 1000mg test, 600mg deca and 400mg TA a wk, popping Viagra which again a possible side effect is HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE and you are wondering why you still have HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE -What other stimulants are you taking - Red Bull, Stacker etc...???

Thanks all the input and suggestions everyone has inputed. All I know is I love working out

Do you love working out more than your life? And don't answer that with lifting is my life.

[Ironman5151]

I love working out too as do most people on here, but if youre having such major problems at such a young age, why are you even considering running more drugs such as HGH or IGF? Do you feel you can not make gains naturally? At your age, you should be able to make good gains naturally.

I'm not having major problems. I get blood work done every 2 months. Last blood work was done 2 weeks ago. Including x-ray and echo-gram of my heart. Everything showed up perfect. You people just jump to everything. My major problem is me having a chemical imbalance (the doctor called it) with a pill I took. Not my damn steroids. Yeah I can make gains naturally, but not the kind I want. I don't know what you call good gains, but obviosuly mine and your 'good gains' are different. Me being 22yrs old 230lbs, 8.5%bf, benching 540lbs is what I call good gains. Whats are 'your good gains'?

[Ironman5151]

Wow 22 yrs old and all ready using such high dosages - and people wonder why steroids get a bad rep. You probably don't even take any time off either, cause you love what you do. Guess what I love what I do, I LIVE!!!

And you still feel the same, and probably still took your shots today - cause you love what you do. You're age is really shining through bro, and it's a shame!!!!!

And people wonder why steroid get a bad rep? Well its not because a damn 22 year old in alabama is taking what ou call a high dosage. There are body builders in my area, thats yeah 30+ in age, taking 5grams+ a week of steroids. I occiassly take no more than 1000mg total a week. I was uping my dosage to break a world record. I'm assuming you have tons of world records and know exactly where i coming from? YEAH RIGHT. For your information I'm unders supervision of a doctor and see's my dosage no harm. If my blood work is fine, whats the problem?!?! The problems I'm having now isn't from my steroids dosage, its from the allergic reaction I got. You damn people kill me know everything without knowing anyones background....

[Ironman5151]

This post was for me to get educated help. Not a bunch people not knowing anything about me telling me what my problem is.

I'm sorry for sounding like a dick, but the last thing I need is a bunch of people who love what I do preach to me other than being supportative.


If someone with some knowlege like Narkissos, prncezzml, or others feel like giving me some guidance, other than preaching to me please help:

Couple questions for the smart people:


1) Doctor said my muscle enzymes levels were 1500, and normal should be 200. Is this from the intense training and high dosages of steroids or just from the cardic-a-rest that I about went into?


2) Will someone give me some links on positive and negative side effects of hgh? Do you think this would be a good alternative for a little while. Maybe run 5iu's year round?

3) What do you think about me running growth year round, IGf-lr3 every other month. Thats first option, assuming this will give me heart and blood pressure a break. Second option running growth year round, igf-lr3 every other month, and the month I'm on the igf add in 250-500mg of prop the month that i'm on the igf to rapidly grow the new muscle cells that I'm getting or should I just wait later on and run a monderate 10 weeks cycle?

[Maldorf]

And people wonder why steroid get a bad rep? Well its not because a damn 22 year old in alabama is taking what ou call a high dosage. There are body builders in my area, thats yeah 30+ in age, taking 5grams+ a week of steroids. I occiassly take no more than 1000mg total a week. I was uping my dosage to break a world record. I'm assuming you have tons of world records and know exactly where i coming from? YEAH RIGHT. For your information I'm unders supervision of a doctor and see's my dosage no harm. If my blood work is fine, whats the problem?!?! The problems I'm having now isn't from my steroids dosage, its from the allergic reaction I got. You damn people kill me know everything without knowing anyones background....

I do have to agree with you somewhat, but it seems you started using AAS too early really. As the years go by youre going to have to use higher and higher doses to continue to grow. If you had waited longer, the doses you are using would be smaller. I dont really see those dosages you ran as being a problem really, I have run much more. From what I read, you started taking AAS after lifting naturally just 1 year?!
Are you still taking the AAS right now with the symtoms youre having? I hope that you stopped and went into PCT. Youll need to give yourself some time to get over this. Did you have an echo while you were suffering these symtpoms? Did they run a stress EKG along with a nuclear imaging of your heart? If they didnt, I would at least want those tests run.

[Ironman5151]

I do have to agree with you somewhat, but it seems you started using AAS too early really. As the years go by youre going to have to use higher and higher doses to continue to grow. If you had waited longer, the doses you are using would be smaller. I dont really see those dosages you ran as being a problem really, I have run much more. From what I read, you started taking AAS after lifting naturally just 1 year?!
Are you still taking the AAS right now with the symtoms youre having? I hope that you stopped and went into PCT. Youll need to give yourself some time to get over this. Did you have an echo while you were suffering these symtpoms? Did they run a stress EKG along with a nuclear imaging of your heart? If they didnt, I would at least want those tests run.

Thanks man for talking to me normally. I'm just looking for help. Yeah, I kick my ass for starting so early. Lifted almost 1.5 years then started. All cycle being 10 weeks long. Of course, first cycle being test e at 250mg a week for 10 weeks. This past cycle was the highest cycle by far. I just wanted the record extremly bad. I was planning to take off 5 months after doing this intense 10 weeks cycle. All has been done under my doctor. No, I dropped all AAS since I've had the problem. Last injection was last wednesday, and all this started this past saturday. I asked the hormone doctor to give me some medicine to bring my levels back to normal and he said I didn't need anthing. Time would fix it I don't understand that. I had PCT anyways, and yes I've started it. I just was hoping to get some free medicine from him . The echo was 2 weeks ago along with blood work(doctor was checking for enlarged heart or blocked artery, just normal check-up and everything was good) prior to my problems, and also had a echo while I was in the hopsital. The echo that was taken in the hospital, I was feelling fine at the time. A nuclear imaging has been done as well. No stress EKG though. I'll ask doctor about it. Thanks again for the advice, and I'll suggest it to my doctor. I was started on a beta blocker today, and feeling better already. Hopefully after taking this medicine for two weeks, and I calm down, everything will go back to normal.

[Mealticket]

where's liftergirl when nyou need a REAL MD to answer questions instead of all this regergitated bs

[Ironman5151]

longhorn814:

Sorry bro for being so offensive. Just seems like a lot of people on these fourms always jump to conclusions without knowings the whole background of a person. Didn't mean to be so rude on my reply back bro. Just aggervated at all this happening one month prior to my competion. You stated "Do you feel you can not make gains naturally? At your age, you should be able to make good gains naturally" Yeah man, I should be totally happy with me results of growing naturally at my age and yes i'm aware that my hgh levels already higher than most people and that hgh wouldn't do that much to me right now. I'm currently eating 350g of protein a day, 400g of complex carbs, and etc...my diet is perfect. I take 11 pills a day including multi vitamins, and etc. So nutrition is to perfection (to some point). So if I can affoard to run hgh year around, and igf-lr3 every other month, and if my body needs a break from juice right now, why not use it? All it can do is help my gains... Espically when it comes to getting lean as hell this summer.

[roensan]

why the viagra with your age and that gear you dont need viagra, did you use xtc,mdma or something else i know its verry dangerous to take viagra with xtc it can cause high bloodpressure even heart failure.

[Ironman5151]

why the viagra with your age and that gear you dont need viagra, did you use xtc,mdma or something else i know its verry dangerous to take viagra with xtc it can cause high bloodpressure even heart failure.

mdma is by far the best sex drug I was suppose to be leaving this monday to go on vacation with my girlfriend. I was expermiting with vigra to see what it would do. Sometimes after I get my first you know what, my dude won't work for seconds. Was looking for a pill to make my buddy stand tall so we can have lots of good sex. A friend of mine runs tren and vigra all the time without no problems. Well, it didn't work for me.

[Ironman5151]

Will someone with some knowlege PLEASE give me some answers and input to my three questsions. I'm anxious to hear what people have to say.


With the third question, I figure it might be bad to ramp my test levels up for on month with the igf and then back down every other month. Some might think it would work... ~ shrugs ~

[Ufa]

Iron Man- Sorry for your recent set back! I was reading some of your
posts. It appears that you were making your own gear. Is it possible
you did something wrong? Or did I mis read thread?

Hope you get well soon.

[abstrack]

This post was for me to get educated help. Not a bunch people not knowing anything about me telling me what my problem is.

I'm sorry for sounding like a dick, but the last thing I need is a bunch of people who love what I do preach to me other than being supportative.


If someone with some knowlege like Narkissos, prncezzml, or others feel like giving me some guidance, other than preaching to me please help:

Couple questions for the smart people:


1) Doctor said my muscle enzymes levels were 1500, and normal should be 200. Is this from the intense training and high dosages of steroids or just from the cardic-a-rest that I about went into?

What enzymes? CPK Enzyme? If he is talking about a this enzyme, then yes it could be harmfull to your body ( Liver, Heart, Lungs) Try a search on rhab domyolysis. I am not to sure on what enzymes you are tlaking about though.


2) Will someone give me some links on positive and negative side effects of hgh? Do you think this would be a good alternative for a little while. Maybe run 5iu's year round?

You could search the forum on HGH and read yourself. There is a plethora of info on this board and even on PubMed.

3) What do you think about me running growth year round, IGf-lr3 every other month. Thats first option, assuming this will give me heart and blood pressure a break. Second option running growth year round, igf-lr3 every other month, and the month I'm on the igf add in 250-500mg of prop the month that i'm on the igf to rapidly grow the new muscle cells that I'm getting or should I just wait later on and run a monderate 10 weeks cycle?

I would consider getting your health stable and continuing researching yourself. You can educate yourself to know more then what people tell you.

Read the bold print

[Ironman5151]

Iron Man- Sorry for your recent set back! I was reading some of your
posts. It appears that you were making your own gear. Is it possible
you did something wrong? Or did I mis read thread?

Hope you get well soon.

yeah man, your right. I make my own gear. That was in my mind at first but I have a friend that is running the same dosage, that came from the same pot without problems. One expection is he isn't running the tren that I made. Doctor said the tren was my problem. He said the tren and the vigra dihlated my blood vessles or something. I can't remember his exact words. Biggest thing I remember is that he said the tren plus the vigra gave my body a chemical imbalance with my blood and heart ??? It's been over a week since I've taken a shot of tren, so I'm assuming its out of my body by now.

[Ironman5151]

Read the bold print

Thanks a million.

1) he didn't exactly say. I meant to ask him but I was so shaken up last time I seen him, it slipped my mine. All he stated was my muscle enzymes levels were 1700 which was meaning I had muscle damage. All he stated about the situation and I was just curious what others thought he was talking about

2 and 3) Guess your totally right. Pubmed was the website I was looking for that had researches about substances.




Thanks to everyone for their input and advice. This was by far and unexpected situation that happen to me. I'm sill puzzled about what has totally happened. Guess once I calm down and get to feeling better, the only thing will make me understand everything totally is spening time with my doctor and reviewing everything. Just sharing my problems with others so maybe others will be aware of the dangerious sides of taking vigra with steroids. I wasn't aware. Just heard from a friend that it worked, and popped it in my mouth. Dumb me. I've never had bad experiences taking any type of drug, so this all was a first for me.

[Ufa]

IRONMAN Just be cool with for a little while. I hope
you wait till you get stabilized. Good Luck!

[kungen1234]

Also had heartproblems last cycle.
More specifically atrial fibrillation, was finally treated after acouple of months through cardioversion.

However, little is known about causes for AF, I was running 1g test, 350mg tren and some lowdose T3 and 150mcg Clen.

Hightened metabolism(by t3 and to some extent tren) is a correlation for atrial fibrillation. Clenbuterol has in case studies proven to induce AF in extremely high single doses(in humans). Not that my other lifehabits also pulled their part to giving and maintaining AF, such as binge drinking, coffe at work, cigarettesmoking when drinking etc.

[Maldorf]

Please keep in touch and let us know how things work out for you. I would like to know if your symtoms return when you go back on cycle someday. I had similar problems with tachycardia and it turned out I had a reduced ejection fraction. After being off for a few months everything returned to normal and I havent had any troubles since, even though I resumed cycling AAS. Sometimes you will just never know what caused the problem. Of course the docs blamed the steroids in my case too, but I am not convinced because I actually started cycling a few months later and had more ultrasounds run and my heart continued to improve even though I was taking the AAS. Sometimes it can be a virus in your bloodstream that is causing the problem, I think maybe thats what happend to me.

[roensan]

it is not the cycle. it looks like your body was burning from the inside.
its here in the netherlands a problem with the sex partys,xtc=mdma in comb- with viagra is asking for troubles and your body is heating from the tren, the comb- is verry dangerous.
just take a cycle without the tren and stay away from recreational drugs when on a cycle than you dont have the roblems.
for hgh i think your to young, your own produktion is high at the moment, you must take a high dose from it around 6 iu or even higher for a long period.
it aint wonder drugs.
igf1-lr3 is different i am not advising you to take that but you dont messup your own hgh produktion.

hope this will help

[BG]

Another 22 year old know it all......I remember those days.

[roensan]

When i was that age i could only buy some dianabol or test no way we could buy hgh.
Now you can buy verry dangerous supps like slin, igf and they take foolish amounts of steroids.
But like those days it is stil the dieet and the training that make the difference,eat right and train hard.

[Maldorf]

Lets keep in mind here though that this guy is in the elite of powerlifting, especially for his age. His goals are much different than the average user on here, and anything less than what he is doing now would be a step backward. To just tell him to eat right and train hard is just rediculous. I have to say that I dont agree with him using AAS at such a young age with little lifting experience, and that he should have waited longer to start using. I personally wouldnt have been in such a rush to get to the point he is at now, whats the big rush? I feel by using so early you have made your lifting career that much shorter. I guess he will be able to reach his goal at a young age though. Question is, what comes after that?

[roensan]

If you read. IT IS NOT THE CYCLE. He did tested his blood every two months. I know that his goals are high but then stay away from other drugs he is 22 there are guys that drop dead on that age.
your body cannot take it all.
It is party and drugs or training and anabolics not together that is the problem.
A friend of mine was taking anabolics and went out to party he WAS a good bodybuilder but is now into a psychosis and lives in a clynic now.
He did a lot of partys with drugs but without anabolics, no problem there but he went skinny again and needed some size.
Anabolics work also on the brain like other drugs so be carefull.
I have been into the sport for 25 years now and have seen alot.
read and learn on pudmed and other sites and ask your doc or a doc.
You dont want to risk your life.

[Ironman5151]

Yes, this definitaly has been a eye openier for me. I been regreting forever now that I started to early. Thanks to the forums I regret. My town is full of young steroid users. Almost the whole high school is on. I'm talking 16 and 17 years old that know nothing about steroids, taking 500mg+ for 16 weeks. No education, no PCT. I know of atleast 15 young users off the top my head. Just buying and injecting. I been needing to give my body a big break, and I was just waiting until this summer after my competition to take it. Now it has just came a little early. Just going to turn to slin and igf for a long time, until my body feel recovred from everything and blood work shows i'm back to normal. My usual dosage usually consist of 800-1000mg at max. I just got a little carried away wanting to set new world record. I still have a year before I turn 23, so I have time to heal and try again. Like everyone says, nothing is worth risking my life. i have plenty of time. Just glad to be alive and its break time.

[spywizard]

so the short of it, and i picked it up in one of your post

let see you used the term "continued quick growth"... i suspect you have body image issues and that's what the deal is..

GH may be stunted in you already..

IGF and other peptides would probably be abetter route for you, but they are still very new..

good luck..