Had bloodwork done and Liver is still elevated.

[ghostRidedawhip707]

I finished my cycle with Winny and 3 days later I had a doctors appt for the first time in about 3 years so he wanted to run some blood work. I already knew that my levels would be off and sure enough it was. I did'nt start my pct yet so choles was high and test was like 84. He said 245 was normal.

I got some more blood work done last Fri and my test is now 233, but my liver is higher that before. How could this be? I've drank like 3 times in the last 5 months.

Could it be the nolvadex or any other pills?

[Maldorf]

Some of the liver enzymes they check for are also enzymes that are released when skeletal muscle is damaged. Ive seen studies that show weightlifters showing elevated levels after heavy lifting. Did you lift heavy close to the time the test was run, and did you have tests run in the past when you were lifting that showed normal enzymes? Docs swear that one of the enzymes they test is only from the liver, but a study I read showed this not to be true. Not sure who to believe at this point. There is one enzyme the study suggested testing, its a enzyme that isnt normally run. I forget its name. I had elevated enzymes, and requested another test run with this third enzyme. The third enzyme wasnt elevated at all.

[ghostRidedawhip707]

Some of the liver enzymes they check for are also enzymes that are released when skeletal muscle is damaged. Ive seen studies that show weightlifters showing elevated levels after heavy lifting. Did you lift heavy close to the time the test was run, and did you have tests run in the past when you were lifting that showed normal enzymes? Docs swear that one of the enzymes they test is only from the liver, but a study I read showed this not to be true. Not sure who to believe at this point. There is one enzyme the study suggested testing, its a enzyme that isnt normally run. I forget its name. I had elevated enzymes, and requested another test run with this third enzyme. The third enzyme wasn't elevated at all.

I ran this morning and lifted heavy yesterday. The first test I fasted for, and I took another test today for Iron and a couple I can't remember. He wants to send me to a specialist. That's what scared me. I had hurt my back and pinched my sciatica recently so I think he may have tested me for that today.

Do you think the nolvadex or exestemene could elevate it? Or am I just paranoid? Well, that's why this forum is here. thanks bro.

[Maldorf]

I ran this morning and lifted heavy yesterday. The first test I fasted for, and I took another test today for Iron and a couple I can't remember. He wants to send me to a specialist. That's what scared me. I had hurt my back and pinched my sciatica recently so I think he may have tested me for that today.

Do you think the nolvadex or exestemene could elevate it? Or am I just paranoid? Well, that's why this forum is here. thanks bro.

Sorry, cant answer question about nolvadex and exestemene.

[ecivon]

I ran this morning and lifted heavy yesterday. The first test I fasted for, and I took another test today for Iron and a couple I can't remember. He wants to send me to a specialist. That's what scared me. I had hurt my back and pinched my sciatica recently so I think he may have tested me for that today.

Do you think the nolvadex or exestemene could elevate it? Or am I just paranoid? Well, that's why this forum is here. thanks bro.

I wouldn't be too concerned at this point. You're being referred to a specialist because your doc isn't trained to diagnose technical issues with livers. Iron levels will impact liver performance as will other factors not related to nolvadex, or exemestane. If your levels are only slightly elevated that could be normal as they fluctuate for any number of 'normal' reasons. You'll be okay.

[Maldorf]

yikes, just noticed that I have 666 posts now after the above post.

[ghostRidedawhip707]

yikes, just noticed that I have 666 posts now after the above post.

Hail the Man of Darkness!!!

[ghostRidedawhip707]

I wouldn't be too concerned at this point. You're being referred to a specialist because your doc isn't trained to diagnose technical issues with livers. Iron levels will impact liver performance as will other factors not related to nolvadex, or exemestane. If your levels are only slightly elevated that could be normal as they fluctuate for any number of 'normal' reasons. You'll be okay.

That's what I thought. Just paranoia. Usually my health is good, but anything can happen. I'll just hang in there and give a couple more months till cutter.

Off the subject... what do you look for besides time on time off in your blood work that will determine you are ok for your next cycle? Thank man.

[stupidhippo]

cant nolvadex and other SERMS raise liver enzymes a bit? maybe i should check...

just checked, it can cause elevation of liver enzymes but very rarely....

[shrpskn]

Try some OTC liver aides.

I have found aides such as milk thistle and/or liv-52 to help.

Proper hydration is always beneficial as well...keep them organs flushed.

[ghostRidedawhip707]

Try some OTC liver aides.

I have found aides such as milk thistle and/or Liv-52 to help.

Proper hydration is always beneficial as well...keep them organs flushed.

I've been taking this Liver Cleanse for about a month now. I guess I'll have to wait and see. Thanks guys.

[shrpskn]

^^ Yes, sometimes these liver aides need to be ran continuously for a lengthy period of time to gain any real benefits from them.

[ghostRidedawhip707]

^^ Yes, sometimes these liver aides need to be ran continuously for a lengthy period of time to gain any real benefits from them.

Fo Sho. I'll get some Milk thistle as well. Thanks

[ghostRidedawhip707]

Ok, here are the results that I got yesterday.

Liver (Bilirubin) .5mg Normal: 0.2-1.2 Normal
Liver (AST) 82U/L Normal: 10-40 High
Liver (ALT) 72U/L Normal: >36 High

I'm currently taking creatine could this have some effect?

In one month my test went from 84 to 233. Yupee!!!

[stupidhippo]

Right now I wouldn't be worried about hepatitis too much, because your liver enzymes are only slightly elevated. Normaly in hepatitis, liver enzymes can go into the thousands. I would ask for a liver ultrasound if one hasn't been done already. Also I would stop the Nolvadex for now because Nolvadex may not only cause hepatitis (which I don't think you have) but it may also cause steatosis (or fatty liver). This is a well known side effect of Nolvadex and is also assosciated with elevated cholesterol levels. The ultrasound will show if you have fatty liver or not. Fatty liver is reversible but if you continue with some medications too long it may progress to non-alcoholic steatohepatitis and eventually cirrhosis.

where u get this info? Cause it doesnt say that in my pharma book.. Ive heard of nolva raising HDL, not total cholesterol.. but am interested so if u tell me where u got this info?

[stupidhippo]

is nolva another risk factor? could u specify a lil more.. cause didnt see that either.. looked only in one place so im not saying u are wrong. just curious..

[stupidhippo]

thx for the link, good info.. I usually just look things up from my countries list od medicines in use (cant describe it better) as u dont understand finnish I bet u wont do anythign with that info.. but yeah its not very throrogh and some things are clearly missing from there..

tamoxifen can cause liver steatosis as well as raised liver enzymes so OP's high values might be because of that..

[guest589745]

what were your liver values? Mine were 77 after a cycle.

[flex99]

if you tell me what your blood results were i could give you some advise. normaly the tests that are done to check liver function are for three enzymes: AST (SGOT), ALT (SGPT), and ASP. the first two are the main ones. if you give those values i will give advise.

[flex99]

what were your liver values? Mine were 77 after a cycle.

77 what? you cant just have 77 as your liver values. which ones ast (sgot), ALT (SGPT) ?? . 77 for any of these values are high, however if you dont drink heavily it is really nothing to worry about. its just an indication that your liver is in "super mood", working harder. now if it starts working crazy hard thats when you got a problem

[guest589745]

77 what? you cant just have 77 as your liver values. which ones ast (sgot), ALT (SGPT) ?? . 77 for any of these values are high, however if you dont drink heavily it is really nothing to worry about. its just an indication that your liver is in "super mood", working harder. now if it starts working crazy hard thats when you got a problem

I dunno man, thast just what the doc told me, 77 ?

[stupidhippo]

not always.. and in a case like this I wouldnt worry about the liver enzymes.. yes what the previous poster is saying is partly right, there are not awyas very high levels of liver enzymes when there is significant liver damage.. but this is in cases of chronic damage.. . There is possibly some damage but vERY unlikely any fibrous changes, especially any that could be found in an ultrasound...

[stupidhippo]

i know =) u are right in everything u say in that, but i wasnt saying anything contradicting that. imo he doesnt need no ultrasound.. since he is gonna use nolva in PCT.. such a short duration it is VERY unlikely that any of those things u mentioned would occur.. atleast to the extent that anythign would be seen in an ultrasound and if so he should just stop the nolva which he is doing anyway , right?

but yeah u are right that in theory ultrasound might be done (in an optimal world) in a case like this.. definelty not in my country though, and IMO not needed here but maybe im wrong =) actually im a med student, so alot still to learn

[stupidhippo]

hahahahahaha... i prolly wont do anymore AAS =) but only because I cant seem to sustain anything more than I had naturally - in long term..in here they dont do the ultrasound for that reason - thats for sure.. but u americans have a lot of money

[ghostRidedawhip707]

Ultrasound was done and the doc said it was normal. A little off, but that is because I ate before I went in. It was higher the second time around, and I only started using nolva in my pct and creatine.