First time on test,advice needed please

[DrWoody]

I have previously done 2 cycles,both the same,Primo/Winny.Was very happy with the results both times,I am now ready for some test.

39 years old/205lbs/bf% 14

been training on and off for 12 years

Here is what I plan

weeks 1-12 500mgs test e
weeks 1-12 25mgs proviron

Have Letro on hand in case of puffiness


start pct 2 weeks after last shot of test
pct is:
week 1-4 20mg nolva and 50 mg proviron


Questions:1)Do I need to run an AI during cycle or is the proviron sufficent?
Is the pct ok?I would rathernot do clomid as it makes me to depressed.Any suggestions on this and the cycle are greatly appreciated.

[DrWoody]

bump

[SMAN12b]

You shoudl be ok with the proviron as your AI during the cycle, if you notice water retention, you can eitehr up the dose of proviron or add in arimidex or another ai.

cycle looks good as long as your diet and training are there, you should do well

[bigwillystyle]

looks good bro

[DrWoody]

Thanks for the replies,anyone else?

[Hack72]

I would do 600mgs/wk, it has been shown that at this dose the most fat was lost, the most fat free mass, strength, and muscle volume gained when compared to any of the lower doses studied. Good luck

[Hack72]

Recommended dose for proviron is 100-150mgs/day. I have used this and had no sides at all. Found this dosage to work best.

[Swifto]

I would do 600mgs/wk, it has been shown that at this dose the most fat was lost, the most fat free mass, strength, and muscle volume gained when compared to any of the lower doses studied. Good luck

"600mg/wk" for a first testosteorne based cycle isnt right. 500mg/wk is the higher end. Also, why does "600mg/wk" produce more fatloss than 500mg/wk?

"it has been shown". Where exactly? You got a study as it would be interesting?

Finally your advice on taking 100-150mg/ED of Proviron. Why? That seems a lot. Perhaps for PCT as many use higher doses for PCT. But there arnt any studies stating it ISNT suppressive to ones HPTA above 150mg/ED. So this is why I use between 50-75mg/ED.

I used Proviron when "on" and didnt find it very good at combating estorgenic sides effects. More a labido enhancer during PCT. I also wont use it again as the primary compound to combat estorgenic sides. It simply wasnt strong enough I felt. Even at 75-100mg/ED.

[DrWoody]

Swifto,thank you very much for your reply.

What do you suggest I run as an AI during my cycle?I have Letro on hand,but would AIFM be better?

Should I up the dosage of Proviron to 50mg or drop it out of the cycle?

And if you can,please suggest a good pct that doesn't include clomid.

Cheers

[Swifto]

Swifto,thank you very much for your reply.

What do you suggest I run as an AI during my cycle?I have Letro on hand,but would AIFM be better?

Should I up the dosage of Proviron to 50mg or drop it out of the cycle?

And if you can,please suggest a good pct that doesn't include clomid.

Cheers

If you have to use an AI when "on". Use a low dose of Arimidex. Too many misuse AI's and run massive doses. AI's are misused more than AS IMO. Arimdiex 0.25-0.5mg/ED or EOD may suffice. Try it and see. Everyone is different. I'd go with 0.5mg/EOD and see how you go. If estrogenic sides are evident. Bump it to 0.75mg/EOD. And so on...Till you reach the correc dosage.

For PCT. I like HCG/Nolva/Proviron. Thats what I have used in the past. You could also add Aromasin and run it at 12.5-25mg/ED. Again, personal preference. My next PCT, will consist of HCG/Nolva/Aromasin/Proviron.

Save the Proviron for PCT and run it at 25-50mg/ED. If your sex drive has taken a dive. Try 50mg/ED.

Keep the Letro for another cycle IMO. It is too effective for the cycle you have proposed. It ca be used in future cycles.

Whilst your first cycle is to gain, be that fatloss or mass gain its also a total experiment IMO. You need to work out what works for your and react differnetly to each compound. What works for one, will not always work for another.

[DrWoody]

Awesome advice,thank you so much Swifto.

[Hack72]

My advice comes from Anabolic Steroids, Ultimate Research Guide vol.1. This has been researched with graphs showing exactly what i said to do. Just stating the facts the book said.

[armbar83]

My advice comes from Anabolic Steroids, Ultimate Research Guide vol.1. This has been researched with graphs showing exactly what i said to do. Just stating the facts the book said.

man this is the third time ive seen you do this today....please stop regurgitating ar. if you want to quote him or something do it or use a link to his info, but stop giving everyone cut and paste advice from that book...