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    A better S.E.R.M. than tamoxifen(nolvadex)?

    Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators

    Raloxifene (Evista) has the ability to bind to and activate the estrogen receptor while exhibiting tissue-specific effects distinct from estradiol.9 As a result, raloxifene is the first of a benzothiophene series of antiestrogens to be labeled a SERM. (Droloxifine, idoxifene and toremifene are similar SERM agents, but they are still considered experimental.) Raloxifene was specifically developed to maintain beneficial estrogenic activity on bone and lipids and antiestrogenic activity on endometrial and breast tissue. In December 1997, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) labeled raloxifene for the prevention of osteoporosis.

    Although the exact mechanism of action of raloxifene and other similar compounds has not yet been determined, it has been hypothesized that these agents work by inducing conformational changes in the estrogen receptor, resulting in differential expression of specific estrogen-regulated genes in different tissues.10 Activation of the estrogen receptor by these compounds may involve multiple molecular pathways that may result in gene expression of ligand-, tissue- and/or gene-specific receptors.11

    Raloxifen (Evista) a different approach

    Because SERMs are capable of inducing specific changes in the estrogen receptor, it is not surprising that they may mediate specific pharmacologic activity through their unique agonist or antagonist properties. For example, the agonistic properties of raloxifene on bone tissue were recently demonstrated by the specific activation of the human transforming growth factor-b3 gene, which is an important regulator of bone remodeling.12

    Scientists discovered the link between raloxifene and breast cancer in a somewhat roundabout fashion. They were studying the drug's effectiveness in preventing and treating another disease — osteoporosis — when they discovered it could help in preventing breast cancer as well. In fact, the women enrolled in that three-year osteoporosis study experienced a 50 to 70 percent reduction in breast cancer rates compared to the general population. In addition, raloxifene — unlike tamoxifen — does not appear to increase the risk of endometrial cancer, nor does it appear to cause the eye problems (cataracts) associated with tamoxifen. The verdict is still out, however, on whether raloxifene — like tamoxifen — increases a person's risk for pulmonary embolism and deep-vein thrombosis. While some studies suggest it does, not all research supports this finding.

    The less serious side effects associated with raloxifene are similar to those reported by women taking tamoxifen or undergoing hormone replacement therapy. In the case of raloxifene, the most common of these are hot flashes and leg cramps.

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    Good info.

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    Very interesting.

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    Ya i heard of this stuff but the question is...has anyone used it for PCT? On paper it looks damn good!

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    good read. . thx meso.... would like to see what it does to the HPTA... as compared to nolva and clomid... after reading the article where clomiphene was said to be more antagonistic than other serms in the hypothalamus I am surprised ot see results where nolva raises serum T more or comparably.. would liek to hear more from that too.

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    just reading about a better drug for breast cancer than tamoxifan. this must be it. less blood clots possible and something else. wish i had the paper next to me. good info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timtim
    just reading about a better drug for breast cancer than tamoxifan. this must be it. less blood clots possible and something else. wish i had the paper next to me. good info.
    The something else was eye challenges reduced which when you hear a complaint about nolva this is usually the complaint.

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    that was it meso. is it available yet or still in testing?

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    where d u get ur avatar meso??

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    Quote Originally Posted by timtim
    that was it meso. is it available yet or still in testing?
    It is available on the market for osteoparosis.

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    bump... i wanted to bump this thread. i thought about including this in my PCT at 60mg/day instead of nolva.

    1-10 test E 500mg/w
    7-12 winny 75 mg/day

    opinions? i know this should be in the pct, but this thread was already in here and i was looking for feedback. it certainly seems to be better than nolva and it's relatively cheap.
    Last edited by hawktribal; 02-08-2007 at 11:31 PM.

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    i've used it. blister packs from the pharmacy. 60mg/d does the job. but better than nolva? i dunno - i never got any sides from nolva. both brought me back in short order, but i utilized HCG during the cycle.

    toremiphene (another SERM) is supposed to be superior to ALL the others for HPTA recovery.

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    toremifene huh? might have to give it a try, i've had great results thus far i was just curious as to what serm was best. thanks bro

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    Raloxifene is good...its proved similar to arimidex in terms of ability to treat breast cancer. Is it better than nolva? I wouldnt say so from the research I have done, faslodex is one of the better drugs I have run into in thsi area but its given by injection usually just once a month and most people will never see it in this sport.

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    Tormifene and Roloxifene also dont seem to interfer with each others plasma levels when combined with a type II AI, like Arimidex or Letro. I've never seen an studies stating they do.

    I'm also yet to see a study stating they both increase PgR expression. Another action Tamoxifen seems to exhibit and these two (Tormifene, Roloxifene) dont.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swifto
    Tormifene and Roloxifene also dont seem to interfer with each others plasma levels when combined with a type II AI, like Arimidex or Letro.
    I woudnt put to much into that...I mean, ime using letro and nolva together right now(on cycle) and its working good, really good...No bloat or anything...

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    very good information. But nolva has worked well for me so I don't think I would change anything.

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