Clen for a female?

[topnotch]

Hey everyone, I'm asking this pertaining to my mother. She is looking to lose some weight. She has used prescription diet pills like phentermine and adipex in the past, and is looking to use them again. She is in her mid-40's and not overweight at all, just needs help due to age to lose those few extra pounds. She doesnt work out, just does walking and cardio every day. She works in a cabinet shop so she is very active throughout the day also. Would anybody recommend clen for her or does anyone else have any suggestions?

[sundancekid]

The recent articles about the depletion of taurine in the heart has really scared me off of clen. If she has the money I think HGH would benefit her and has a hell of a lot more advantages.

[topnotch]

she's not going to do anything as advanced as hgh...like i said she's not a bodybuilder or anything like that all she wants is extra help w/ shedding a few pounds. And health is a major concern to me since it's my mom, thats why i'm asking everyone. She also wont do any injectable only tablets.

[ecivon]

she's not going to do anything as advanced as hgh...like i said she's not a bodybuilder or anything like that all she wants is extra help w/ shedding a few pounds. And health is a major concern to me since it's my mom, thats why i'm asking everyone. She also wont do any injectable only tablets.

It's up to you, but I would try to discourage my mom from using clen. Everyone wants the 'magic wand' for losing weight. It doesn't exist. Clen will mess up the heart and cholesterol, especially in older people. Encourage her to clean up her diet and do cardio. Either take her to the gym with you, or get her to go on long walks.

[topnotch]

It's up to you, but I would try to discourage my mom from using clen. Everyone wants the 'magic wand' for losing weight. It doesn't exist. Clen will mess up the heart and cholesterol, especially in older people. Encourage her to clean up her diet and do cardio. Either take her to the gym with you, or get her to go on long walks.

I'm just researching this for her. She's just wanting to take the adipex diet pill b/c she has had good luck w/ it in the past. She has a great diet, and does cardio everyday, and also has to do a lot of physical labor at work. Just being in her 40's it makes it hard to lose weight that easy so she likes these meds as they help a lot.

[stacked566]

Bro its not like when you turn 40 it all of a sudden gets hard to lose weight. People stop producing as much GH when they mature into adults, usually late teens to early twenties and plus since she is a woman she is more prone to storing fat. Less testosterone= less AR receptors in adipose tissue= more fat storage. Her diet is obviously not that good and her 'cardio' isn't strenous enough. Just ask her to write down what she eats, figure out her total kCals, macronutrient breakdown, etc and figure out her caloric expenditure based on BMI and her cardio. Then see where the problem is. Clen isn't a good choice for her, because of the strain on her heart. Albuterol might be a better choice if she's interested though. I don't trust those prescription diet pills either, no idea what's in them and possible sides. I'm not trying to be a dick, but I was in a similiar situation where my dad wanted to use clen or an eca stack to shed some lbs...I told him no way, stop eating frosted mini wheats and get your butt into the gym. Just my .02.

[topnotch]

Like I said, I was the one questioning the clen...she hasn't talked about it. I know her diet is in check though. And yes when you get in your late 40's things have slowed down a lot since say 20. She walks a faster pace than i can on a treadmill for up to 2 hours every night..

[ecivon]

I'm just researching this for her. She's just wanting to take the adipex diet pill b/c she has had good luck w/ it in the past. She has a great diet, and does cardio everyday, and also has to do a lot of physical labor at work. Just being in her 40's it makes it hard to lose weight that easy so she likes these meds as they help a lot.

Understand all of that Bro and also your concern for her. I am definitely not an advocate of clen. You might want to look into a modified eca stack. Not as potent as clen, but definitely far less potentially harmful. If her diet is truly okay and she does cardio and has a physical job, then short of cosmetic surgery she may just be one of those whose weight/shape may be just what it is.

[topnotch]

Thanks for the info guys...like i say she's not fat by any means. She's about 5'4" and around 125-135 pounds, which for a 47 year old lady is good, also considering she has a lot of muscle from lifting cabinets and things like that over the years. She wouldn't consider surgery at all...just wanting help to lose that extra 5 to 10 pounds for the warm time of the year coming up in a few months. I'll look more into a good eca stack for her though. thanks

[ect0m0rph]

It's up to you, but I would try to discourage my mom from using clen. Everyone wants the 'magic wand' for losing weight. It doesn't exist. Clen will mess up the heart and cholesterol, especially in older people. Encourage her to clean up her diet and do cardio. Either take her to the gym with you, or get her to go on long walks.

Couldnt have said it better myself. Tell her to make sure her diet and cardio are completely in order before taking clen.

[mrjingalang]

I agree Bro i would definetly try to discourage my mom from using clen. there are other ways to become fit and stay fit. I have heard from alot of women lately that they are thinking of trying clen. I would definetly tell your mom theres other ways, but if she does decide to try clen make sure her cardio workout is in tip top shape and that she has no heart problems. She would need to start off with low dosages too. I hope you can talk her out of it.

[fatrock]

I agree Bro i would definetly try to discourage my mom from using clen. there are other ways to become fit and stay fit. I have heard from alot of women lately that they are thinking of trying clen. I would definetly tell your mom theres other ways, but if she does decide to try clen get it from AR-R and make sure her cardio workout is in tip top shape and that she has no heart problems. She would need to start off with low dosages too. I hope you can talk her out of it.

Clen is a great product and does wonders, but its not for your mom.

[wes cst rydr]

all of the sudden every one hates clen.........fallow the leader...thats funny! next month every one will hate eca and be on clen again..!

[THE PUMP]

yea i hate that copy cat sh!t!

[lifterjaydawg]

I like clen. I have started to see more and more women get interested in clen. I only know of one girl who used it and she liked tthe results. She kept the dose very low (never went above 40mcgs) and had a very good diet and cardio routine. She had hit the wall in her wieght loss and stayed the same wieght for about a month. Clen worked very well to jumpstart the wieght loss process, and she started losing wieght again. She was very happy with the results.

[topnotch]

I like clen. I have started to see more and more women get interested in clen. I only know of one girl who used it and she liked tthe results. She kept the dose very low (never went above 40mcgs) and had a very good diet and cardio routine. She had hit the wall in her wieght loss and stayed the same wieght for about a month. Clen worked very well to jumpstart the wieght loss process, and she started losing wieght again. She was very happy with the results.

Thanks everyone...I just dont know if I should get some of this for my mom or not. I mean she wants the adipex, which i dont know a whole lot about, so the clen may be safer than that who knows.

[ascendant]

all of the sudden every one hates clen.........fallow the leader...thats funny! next month every one will hate eca and be on clen again..!

they have very good reasoning for it. it's not follow the leader, it's the fact that on many boards, a lot of info came out lately about the negative cardiovascular effects of clen, particularly the taurine depletion which they believe is responsible for the myocyte cell death in the heart, which can eventually literally kill you.

now, as far as supplementing with taurine to stave this side-effect, that has not been confirmed to be effective as of yet. so, at this point, we have no surefire way of preventing the scar tissue build-up on the heart caused by the myocyte cell death.

[ascendant]

as far as what to do for your mother, i'd definitely try and get her into a gym. without working out to help maintain muscle while losing weight, much of what she'll lose will be muscle, which will slow her metabolism. besides, at her age, light workouts will have many other benefits too, like keeping away osteoperosis and other deteriorating diseases. cardio is better than nothing, but working out as well will help greatly. tell her not to do it half-assed. if it's that important to her, all it takes is 3 - 1/2hour sessions of working out per week. as far as the fat-burners, i'm not comfortable giving advice on that as i'm not sure what would actually be safe for her considering we don't what other health conditions she might have that could complicate things.

[dhriscerr]

Sorry double post, cant figure out how to delete it!

[dhriscerr]

You dont even need to get her to the gym if she doesnt want to go buy a few different weight dumbells and have her do 20lb in each arm squats at home and some shoulder presses, lunges, lateral raises, curls, tricep extensions, and chest presses on a stability ball or bench. You can get cheap rubber plasitic covered dumbells and a stability ball for under 50 bucks at Wal-mart. And it will work to keep her from losing the muscle might even help gain a bit, but the resistance training will help her lose fat, when in conjunction with a diet and cardio. Thats why you do cardio in the morning on an empty stomach or after a work out when your glycogen is low it makes you use up fat faster, otherwise its just going to burn carbs or possible muscle

[topnotch]

You dont even need to get her to the gym if she doesnt want to go buy a few different weight dumbells and have her do 20lb in each arm squats at home and some shoulder presses, lunges, lateral raises, curls, tricep extensions, and chest presses on a stability ball or bench. You can get cheap rubber plasitic covered dumbells and a stability ball for under 50 bucks at Wal-mart. And it will work to keep her from losing the muscle might even help gain a bit, but the resistance training will help her lose fat, when in conjunction with a diet and cardio. Thats why you do cardio in the morning on an empty stomach or after a work out when your glycogen is low it makes you use up fat faster, otherwise its just going to burn carbs or possible muscle

I agree..she does do some minor weight workouts here at home. She has one of those small home gyms that chuck norris advertises that slides up and down...she adds like either 25 or 50 pounds of resistance(i think thats the max) and does sets of 25 squats, then does like a chest movement also...she does it for about 30 minutes before walking usually...but not every night

[gym lord]

all of the sudden every one hates clen.........fallow the leader...thats funny! next month every one will hate eca and be on clen again..!

not me ... i'm on clen right now ... love it ... shake, baby shake

[gym lord]

Thanks everyone...I just dont know if I should get some of this for my mom or not. I mean she wants the adipex, which i dont know a whole lot about, so the clen may be safer than that who knows.

adipex is speed ... raises blood pressure and heart rate ... but doesnt cause the arrythmia that some experience on clen ... it doesnt take long for adipex (phentermine) to lose effectiveness as an appetite suppressant, but it continues to be very effective in providing a euphoric energy rush, especially for long duration activities ... i 've used it frequently on long distance packpacking treks in the mountains and back country ... friends of mine who are into ultra marathons, 50 & 100 milers, use phentermine in training and events, as well as a continuous low dose AAS regimen ... if your mom walks for two or more hours a day, that's prolly why she likes phentermine, its compounded in a time release formula and provides pep-in-the-step for long duration / distance activities, and continues to work afterwards as well, which helps if you have an active job ...

[topnotch]

adipex is speed ... raises blood pressure and heart rate ... but doesnt cause the arrythmia that some experience on clen ... it doesnt take long for adipex (phentermine) to lose effectiveness as an appetite suppressant, but it continues to be very effective in providing a euphoric energy rush, especially for long duration activities ... i 've used it frequently on long distance packpacking treks in the mountains and back country ... friends of mine who are into ultra marathons, 50 & 100 milers, use phentermine in training and events, as well as a continuous low dose AAS regimen ... if your mom walks for two or more hours a day, that's prolly why she likes phentermine, its compounded in a time release formula and provides pep-in-the-step for long duration / distance activities, and continues to work afterwards as well, which helps if you have an active job ...

thanks for the info gymlord...didnt really know what adipex actually did

[gym lord]

thanks for the info gymlord...didnt really know what adipex actually did

should also add ... phentermine, like anything else talked about around here, should be used thoughtfully and as carefully planned as possible ... it is a relatively weak prescription speed compared to, say, preludin, which is no longer around ... actually phentermine is not a true amphetamine pharmacologically, but works on the same receptors in the body, and for all intents and purposes, acts and feels like an amphetamine ... and even though not as strong as some agents, it does provide a fairly strong sense of well-being, what others might call a "high" ... and can cause psychological dependence, most particularly if one is not aware of the possibility ...

have had to yank myself off of it a couple times after returning from several weeks in the bush trekking around, because it does provide a nice adrenal burst when it kicks in that you get used to having and like experiencing ... it's not physically addictive, so it's really only a matter of making yourself put it down ... obviously your mother has no problem with it, she uses it for a period to lose weight, accomplishes her goal, and puts it down ... that's responsible use of a drug ...

and like i said, i have some friends who are world class ultra-distance athletes who use it, dont know of any of them being "hooked" on it, though one friend of mine told me that after being on it for an extended period, he had to wean off of it slowly, on descending doses, to avoid a huge crash ... but i do know doctors who have told me in private they would rather see people on phentermine for their lifetime, rather than be obese, if they had to choose between the two ... of course the hope is always that one can eventually learn the necessary health habits to not be obese and maintain their weight at a healthy level, and eventually lose the need for taking a drug ...

so anyway, not making any judgements here at all, just puttin down what i know to give you as much info to work with as i can ... bottom line is, phentermine, like everything else talked about around here is nothing to play around with, but used responsibly to get over a plateau or accomplish a goal, it's another tool in the toolbox ... and some people do react badly to the frenetic effects of clen ... personally, clen doesnt bother me badly at all, but ephedra wacks me out ... everybody's body chemistry is different ...

[topnotch]

thanks once again gym lord...definately the best information i've got about this subject from someone really knowing both sides...i really appreciate it