USA will strike Iran by end of April 07

[DTBusta]

The hype, the seymore hersh's, cheney's own comments, the build up of our Navy in the Gulf, it points to one truth. Will it happen?What will happen to us? Will they have precision like they say..will the patriot missiles keep the surrounding countries safe from counter attacks? Will it turn out to be an all out full blown war? After what we were told about Iraq and what actually percipitated on the ground in reality ...should that even be a question?

Our current economy and stock exchange? why the dip...investors getting uppidy over another war or maybe switching back to defense stocks and getting ready to make some serious dough?

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...nt_5604565.htm

[Dude-Man]

Bush would almost definitely be impeached if he tried to pull another offensive without UN backing. You've gotta remember who's controlling congress right now, and the fact that even senators from his own party are sick of this war.

[mcpeepants]

Bush would almost definitely be impeached if he tried to pull another offensive without UN backing. You've gotta remember who's controlling congress right now, and the fact that even senators from his own party are sick of this war.

dems wouldn't do anything if bush invaded. probably a junk of them would be cheerleading as they did in Iraq. they don't have the spine to pursue impeachment because they're scared repubs will call them names. if there to scared to consider defunding the war, there definitely not going to impeach. Nancy Pelosi even said "impeachment is off the table." maybe they'll impeach if bush gets a bj like clinton did in the oval office.

[MuscleScience]

Cant happen we dont have the man power right now to stop an Iranian invasion of Iraq which they would most likely do if we attacked.

[eliteforce]

Every military analyst i have heard has said the US does not have adequate ground forces to invade Iran and that any military action would be air/missile strikes.

Iran will likly punish US bases in Iraq with missile fire + US military shipping in the Gulf would likly be stopped because of Iranian anti-ship missiles, I don't think oil tankers will be targeted because of the huge ecolgical cost when the oil spills. They will also send in small units of sappers to target US troops on the move in Iraq, and give the insurgents more sophesticated anti-armour missiles and shoulder launched sam missiles.

After a week or so both sides will likly agree to a cease fire brokered by Russia, kinda like when Israel/Lebanon heated up. US would resume shipping in the gulf.

The cost of the hostilities to the US will be very high

[biglouie250]

im moving to australia if this happens. these **** heads are not the type of people i want to be associated with.

[Teabagger]

And all the military analysts said the 1st Gulf War with Iraq would result in thousands and thousands of US casulties...hmmm...didn't play out that way. All the military analysts said the invasion of Iraq would result in thousands and thousands of US casulties....hmmm....didn't play out that way. Now an invasion of Iran (which is not gonna happen) would result in massive US casulties...hmmm....

[Teabagger]

im moving to australia if this happens. these **** heads are not the type of people i want to be associated with.

Why wait? Pack your shit and get out now.

[biglouie250]

Why wait? Pack your shit and get out now.

why the hostility? i live in NY im the one who will be punished for this, not the southerners or mountain folk.....

[biglouie250]

why not put an american flag as your avatar instead of the israeli flag? that is somewhat treasonous IMHO.

[Teabagger]

The Israeli flag has been my addy for a very long time now. I don't know how to change or add avies and I had a mod do it for me so I could show support for our ally during the time the Religion/Political forum was up and infested by islamofascists. If a mod reads this and wishes too, they are more than welcome to replace what is there now with "old glory", or the "don't tread on me" flag.

[biglouie250]

so why the "pack your shit and get out now" speak?

[SVTMuscle*]

Haha Bush is the man, gotta love it.

[Johny-too-small]

im moving to australia if this happens. these **** heads are not the type of people i want to be associated with.

Man, forget getting gear down there. Isnt customs a bi-atch? Move to a country where the gear is legal, like Mexico. Tons of beans and rice for cheap!

[Johny-too-small]

btw, if we go into another war, why not just nuke the whole fvking region? Not too many countries over there that are not one of the US military's hot spots.

[Dude-Man]

All the military analysts said the invasion of Iraq would result in thousands and thousands of US casulties....hmmm....didn't play out that way.

Over 3000 and counting, with no end in sight. It's no vietnam.. yet. But that's still 3000 totally uneccessary deaths.

[biglouie250]

btw, if we go into another war, why not just nuke the whole fvking region? Not too many countries over there that are not one of the US military's hot spots.

thats what i say. we must kill every man woman and child in the middle east. leave it completely unihabitable like rome did to carthage. we can learn from a lot from the romans. 3 punic wars were needed because rome let carthage survive and re-establish themselves. finally in the last punic war they slaughtered or enslaved everyone in carthage, burned and destroyed every building and salted the fields so nothing would grow. that is what we must do to the middle east. no pussy footing around. a staight up massacre is needed.

[Johny-too-small]

Well wouldn't we kill too many people that way?

Well, there have been recent estimates that over 100k iraqis have been killed, but I guess thats not considered "too many," yet.

[biglouie250]

Wow

Sorta how Hitler decided to kill all the jews?

You sound like a jerk

not at all. hitler condemned jews for no reason. i condemn the middle east for their corruption, pan am flight 103, the uss cole, 9/11, OPEC, the munich massacre, should i go on? through history my way works. i gave the example of rome earlier. ill give an example a little more close to home. Japanese internment during WW2. everyone can sit and be a monday morning QB and say how it was evil, wrong yadda yadda yadda. the thing no one talks about is that it worked! if we only imprisoned 1 spy for every how many japanese it was worth it. Not ONE main land attack on the USA during WW2 and that is a direct result of their internment. If the arab world would really do something about those that give them a bad name then i wouldnt suggest such an extreme measure, but they dont. they cry racism and hide behind the ACLU or other interest groups. other ethnic groups cleansed their problems through force.....the arabs arent willing to do that so lets do it for them.

[Johny-too-small]

Wow

Sorta how Hitler decided to kill all the jews?

You sound like a jerk

Youre way off the mark, bro.

[eliteforce]

hey dumbass, did Carthage have nuclear weapons?; i don't know why you come here and make that same stupid fuking point when everyone knows the reality

[Benches505]

Iran doesn't have nukes either......Yet

Go after them now while they don't have them or deal with them later when they do.

[Hoggage_54]

If the Americans can't even handle the Iraqi's, then how could they handle the Persians?

Another "war" for the United States to lose.

[Benches505]

Can't handle the Iraqi's? What are you talking about that war was over in 3 weeks. What we have now is an insurgency.

What mighty country are you from Hoggage?

[Hoggage_54]

What you have now is a civil war. Good luck!

And I am from Canada, one of the countries smart enough to hold out from going into Iraq.

[biglouie250]

hey dumbass, did Carthage have nuclear weapons?; i don't know why you come here and make that same stupid fuking point when everyone knows the reality

no they had the WMD of their day which was a supreme naval force that terrorized the mediteranean.....you were saying?

what point was i making? you mean the one that says that history repeats itself? like how we have a vietnam x 10 on our hands all the while we could do what winners in the past have done and wipeout their civilization? even if they did have nukes they dont have a guidance system or rocket technology to get it here. THAT IS THE REALITY.

[Benches505]

What you have now is a civil war. Good luck!

And I am from Canada, one of the countries smart enough to hold out from going into Iraq.

Canada can't do much of anything anyway. Thanks for your help, we might remember it when China invades you for extra space.

[Kärnfysikern]

There is never any excuse for genocide.

There is over one billion muslims on this planet. Should we eradicate them all because 0.0001% of them are fanatics? Even if someone feels it is a good idea its not plausible. The environmental and economic damages from nuking big portions of the middle east would probably drag the entire world into chaos and depression.

Better idea is to make sure we dont need the oil anymore. Then the middle east would have to shape up or become a new africa. Either way it wont be the wests problem anymore because then we dont need them for anything and they have no money to hurt us.

Now the million dollar question is how well could the half trillion something dollars spent in Iraq have been used in getting rid of oil?

[Hoggage_54]

Better idea is to make sure we dont need the oil anymore. Then the middle east would have to shape up or become a new africa.

Thats good thinking right there!

[eliteforce]

BS it's reality! You wouldn't know reality if you sat on it.

You don't have a nuclear war with a country, you have a nuclear war with the entire region. You don't need an ICBM to deliver nukes to the US, a sub or boat can deliver nukes. They would hit TelAviv in retaliation, which would hit back every arab city causeing a global catastrophy of radioactivity.

Your talking about massive nuclear first strikes with the intension of exterminating the region, even if their alternative methods of delivery failed, they could always phone the Russians telling them that this is the situation... and simply threaten to launch their arsenal of medium range ballistic nuclear missiles on Russia IF the Russians didn't unload there ICBMs on every US city, Russia and China would probably launch against the US anyways because the winds will be blowing all that radioactive dust from the ME all over them.. gee i'll bet you were too inept to figure that one out on your own-that if you initiate a nuclear attack on one region, the region next to it will join that side in the war.

it's no wonder that nuclear disarmanent is a joke and Iran is developing nukes and ICBMs when americans have this kind of disgusting attitude. when those muslims used to post here or anywhere else I see people like that posting, I never see them talking about exterminating the entire north american continent, but I see americans posting this type of line all the time, kinds makes you wonder where the real problem is.

no they had the WMD of their day which was a supreme naval force that terrorized the mediteranean.....you were saying?

what point was i making? you mean the one that says that history repeats itself? like how we have a vietnam x 10 on our hands all the while we could do what winners in the past have done and wipeout their civilization? even if they did have nukes they dont have a guidance system or rocket technology to get it here. THAT IS THE REALITY.

[Bigen12]

hey dumbass, did Carthage have nuclear weapons?; i don't know why you come here and make that same stupid fuking point when everyone knows the reality

You need to tone it down a notch.

[biglouie250]

BS it's reality! You wouldn't know reality if you sat on it.

You don't have a nuclear war with a country, you have a nuclear war with the entire region. You don't need an ICBM to deliver nukes to the US, a sub or boat can deliver nukes. They would hit TelAviv in retaliation, which would hit back every arab city causeing a global catastrophy of radioactivity.

Your talking about massive nuclear first strikes with the intension of exterminating the region, even if their alternative methods of delivery failed, they could always phone the Russians telling them that this is the situation... and simply threaten to launch their arsenal of medium range ballistic nuclear missiles on Russia IF the Russians didn't unload there ICBMs on every US city, Russia and China would probably launch against the US anyways because the winds will be blowing all that radioactive dust from the ME all over them.. gee i'll bet you were too inept to figure that one out on your own-that if you initiate a nuclear attack on one region, the region next to it will join that side in the war.

it's no wonder that nuclear disarmanent is a joke and Iran is developing nukes and ICBMs when americans have this kind of disgusting attitude. when those muslims used to post here or anywhere else I see people like that posting, I never see them talking about exterminating the entire north american continent, but I see americans posting this type of line all the time, kinds makes you wonder where the real problem is.

i said destroy the entire middle east. that includes israel because they cant play nice either. the beauty of my plan is that we will destroy every holy city. that way no dumbasses can fight over it. when children dont play nice you take away their toys.

you speak of reality yet you are talking about a russian counter attack against the US because of muslim threats? Give Tom Clancey a call with that book/movie idea! a sub or boat they send wont do a damn thing because they only have 50yr old diesel subs that would be spotted the second they entered the atlantic.

[Kärnfysikern]

Exterminating the middle east because a few muslims ran 2 planes into WTC is even worse than Hitlers logic for the final solution or Stalins gulags.

Biglouie I know your smarter than that, come on just read what you are writing. Would you put a bullet in this kids head because someone of the same faith as her parents dislike your country? What you are proposing is a million times worse.

[Kärnfysikern]

Just a reminder of the horrors of using nuclear weapons

[biglouie250]

johan- how did you change your name? and why did you?

i was being quasi facetious, those that know me know i like to stir the pot.

[Kärnfysikern]

johan- how did you change your name? and why did you?

i was being quasi facetious, those that know me know i like to stir the pot.

I just asked a admin to do it. I feelt like a change

You sounded so dead serious that I got suprised!

[shrpskn]

IMO, when everyone throws their cards down, the middle east is where WWIII is going to start or already has started.
As far as I'm concerned, it's already started, just 99% of the world doesn't know it yet or just won't believe or except the reality that what we have in the world today is war on a global scale...once the US declared war on terror, it declared war on the world. Because terrorists are always going to be in every corner of the globe and they are not ever going to go away...which will inturn ultimately turn into global distruction.

Kind of a gloomy outlook to tell my children to look forward to, eh?

The world started there, it's going to begin to end there.

Just my .02

-ShrpSkn

[eliteforce]

I'm pretty much 100% sure that it will never happen. No one will ever use a nuclear weapon first, and even if they were nuts enough to hit first the other side will immediatly inflict a similar amount of damage and a cease-fire will take place at that point.

Even during the cuban missle crises, all the experts have said that the world was this '' close to total nuclear annhilation; but in fact the A warheads were never attached to the short range missiles on the sites (the Russian commander and other Soviet personel at the scene of the missile bases admitted this in the 1990s), the missiles were operational but the Soviets ordered they stayed standed down-indicating they had no intension of ever launching, and Kennedy wasn't going to launch first..and even if the US invaded Cuba, the Soviets would have responded by simply snatching up west germany or invading turkey, not nuclear weapons.

The original point in this thread was war between US/Iran; it will not be a nuclear war, it will be a "high stakes" war of strikes and counter strikes, ending by cease fire before either side becomes too desperate.

[Kärnfysikern]

I'm pretty much 100% sure that it will never happen. No one will ever use a nuclear weapon first, and even if they were nuts enough to hit first the other side will immediatly inflict a similar amount of damage and a cease-fire will take place at that point.

Even during the cuban missle crises, all the experts have said that the world was this '' close to total nuclear annhilation; but in fact the A warheads were never attached to the short range missiles on the sites (the Russian commander and other Soviet personel at the scene of the missile bases admitted this in the 1990s), the missiles were operational but the Soviets ordered they stayed standed down-indicating they had no intension of ever launching, and Kennedy wasn't going to launch first..and even if the US invaded Cuba, the Soviets would have responded by simply snatching up west germany or invading turkey, not nuclear weapons.

The original point in this thread was war between US/Iran; it will not be a nuclear war, it will be a "high stakes" war of strikes and counter strikes, ending by cease fire before either side becomes too desperate.

Accidental launch is the biggest risk factor.
http://www.nuclearfiles.org/menu/key...uclear-war.htm

Even if no one would intentionaly do a first strike the risk for accidental launches just increase for every country that builds nukes.

I agree though that a war betwen the us and iran wont be a nuclear one, simply because Iran has no nukes and arent even close to having them!

[JARD]

Peace for all... why the F%&K can’t we all just get along. Life is too short. I don’t want to see any more dead people… Why can an attack on a country could be 10, 747s full of pure -%X%- and drop it on your enemy. I bet this will work. (WOW what a party)

-JARD