injecting everyday?

[Lejes]

I'm planning my second cycle. My first was twelve weeks of test e, 500mg ew split into two 250mg doses on mondays and thursdays. This time I want to give test p a shot (by itself). I've learned there will be merit in more frequent injections, but am a little swamped by all the complications of the switch. Are ed injections of prop that much better than eod? And if one is to use an ed dosing protocol what would be a good site rotation schema? Because more of the drug is absorbed in the glutes and thighs than say, delts and whatever else; Wouldn't an ed protocol have some limitations in that respect?

Twice weekly was simple. Just rotating between butt cheeks. Eod would be easy too, just rotating between butt cheeks and thighs. But every day?

I'm not scared of needles btw, but I'd like to avoid scar tissue build up and wasted test due to inferior injection site absorption if someone could justify ed being that much better than eod?

[MrMe]

I just did the same thing, i went from twice a week injections to everyday. I wasnt sure if I could handle it so what i did was get test e and test p and used the prop to kickstart my frist 4 weeks.

Worst case in my mind was that i didnt want to do it ED so i would just continue with the test enth for 12 weeks. Best case, i like it and do the 4 week prop and 12 weeks test enth.

Well in the end i loved it so much that i used all my prop, extended to 5 weeks and i ordered more cause i might use it at the end of my cycle.

Use a 25g pin and make sure you have at least 7 spots. I use quads, chest, shoulder, tricept and bicept

[jagdpanther]

I think ED injections are better then EOD because it helps stabalize hormone concentrations in the blood. Based on most of the graphs I have seen for the rates of release of different esters they have one thing in common - the greatest release is in the first 24 hours after that they all decrease(there are a few exceptions - the deca profile on this site is one). Obviously the longer the ester the smaller the initial release and the slower the rate a decay.
As for injection site inferiority - it has a greater impact on the rate of release then the total quantity over time. If you were to shoot a couple of times a week then there maybe an advantage to selecting only the glutes.
When shooting ED, changes in the rate of release based on injections site will have less of an impact then shooting EOD where the rate of release based on the ester is of greater impact. This is especially true with short esters like proprionate as there is a sharp decline in hormone concentraton after the first 24 hours after injection.

There is some science to this but I also think it is subjective to a degree. I have less sides since I started shooting most things ED, because I believe it keeps my blood levels more stable.

All that being said many people have started shooting something like Test P EOD with great sucess. It is often recomended the first time you run a proprionate becuase the schedule is easier to maintain if you have not built up enough injections sites. I have eight main sites now - glutes, quads, shoulders and lats. I didn't like hitting my pecs and the calves are definalty by far the worse. whe i first started shooting ED it was really 6 days a week as opposed to ED because i only had 6 sites and I wanted to wait at least seven days between hitting the esame spot again.

As for scar tissue I have just switched to 25 gauge for injection and 23 gauge for filling from the syringe. I posted a thread about this the other day on several boards and the consensous from people who have used for a while was that 25 gauge needles although slower to inject will cause less scar tissue in the long run. It was highly recomended.

[Lejes]

Wow! Thanks so much for the information guys. That helps a lot.

Ok I'm going to try an ed protocol then! I will also take your advice and switch to a 25 gauge needle. 23 gauge was great for the glutes, but I'd imagine something finer would be more appropriate for more sensitive sites.

Two other questions. Lats, I heard it was a very painful site to inject in. Would you mind sharing your experience? Does it bother you?

And do you designate a drawing needle? Use the same needle for a few days or a week to draw your compounds (not injecting) to save on needles?

[stuball]

I just did the same thing, i went from twice a week injections to everyday. I wasnt sure if I could handle it so what i did was get test e and test p and used the prop to kickstart my frist 4 weeks.

Worst case in my mind was that i didnt want to do it ED so i would just continue with the test enth for 12 weeks. Best case, i like it and do the 4 week prop and 12 weeks test enth.

Well in the end i loved it so much that i used all my prop, extended to 5 weeks and i ordered more cause i might use it at the end of my cycle.

Use a 25g pin and make sure you have at least 7 spots. I use quads, chest, shoulder, tricept and bicept

I also find that i can shoot my glute in 2 different spots, i just keep them about 4 inches apart.. if ya got a big ass even better !!

[SNUKA]

If you think you can handle everyday injections it might be a good idea to get a bottle of b-12 and try it out for a couple of weeks injecting everyday and rotating sites that you don't have as much experience with. This would help determine if you are ready for prop everday as well as gaining more experience with injecting into areas like chest, bis, tris or whatever you choose to go with.

[Blooddraine]

guys im running suspension as first cycle... im starting to get used to the frequent injections... i usually just inject into the muscle i will train at the gym about an hour or 2 preworkout... cant do otherwise cuz the post-injection pain is so severe i cant work that muscle all week... i don tknow if im making sense right now lol.

[randy6969]

***ends on which prop ur taking by which lab, or company. Some of them make u sore as hell for the next few days. Anyway good luck bro.

[Lejes]

If you think you can handle everyday injections it might be a good idea to get a bottle of b-12 and try it out for a couple of weeks injecting everyday and rotating sites that you don't have as much experience with. This would help determine if you are ready for prop everday as well as gaining more experience with injecting into areas like chest, bis, tris or whatever you choose to go with.

Let me ask, when you combine something like b-12 and prop into the same injection it's called "cutting" right? Like, cutting the prop? Is there an advantage to cutting with b-12 over any other sterilized oil? Couldn't I practice injecting one of the sterilized oils? Just wondering why you mentioned b-12?

Or heck? Couldn't I practice with some Bacteriostatic water since I already got some of that?

[Blooddraine]

well the reason why people say b12 over other oils is because b12 has other attributes like increasing appetite... as far as sterilized oil for cutting the injection pain that would probably work better from what ive heard.

[SNUKA]

I mentioned b-12 because its water soluable it would allow for an easy injection into a virgin muscle as well as reaping the benefits of a vitamin poorly absorbed by the oral route. You could use sterile oil for practice if you wanted to, but I don't realy see much benefit, plus you can use a really thin needle of the b-12 the shit basically falls out of my 25 gauge.

[Blooddraine]

ya mine too.... the test takes forever and then when it gets to the b12 in less than a second it just goes through the needle.

[toyman]

Am i crazy?

[Two4the$$]

Um ... I'm ALL for long esters. ED SUCKS in my opinion... unless youre a drug tested athlete or experimenting with something you're doing for the first time and concerned with the sides ... DEFINITELY avoid the scar tissue. Plus... higher mg per mL is always better... provided the pain is tolerable of it.