Test and frontloading\building up

[Nworb]

In a 12 week cycle of testwould it be better to front load and take 750 mg a week in the begining and end with 500 mg shots or the other way around??? which will make for a better pct? and maintainable gains

[kendod666]

mate front loading test has nothing whatsoever to do with PCT or keeping your gains. not sure what your on about to be honest.

in answer to your question though, if your cycle is 500mg of test enth a week, you can front load with 1000mg in the first week to get the blood levels up alot quicker but dont rear load the test, waste of time imo.

have a look here mate for blood levels on 500mg and 1000 when u front load.

http://www.powerboard.se/roidcalc/

[Nworb]

basically i have an extra 1500mg of test and i wanna know where to put it in my cycle so front load only gotchya!

[Nworb]

so can I rearange my test to look more like
week 1 =1000mg
week 2=1000mg
week 3 =750 mg
week 4=750 mg
week 5-12 = 500 mg

Is this okay?

[kendod666]

whats your cycle experience mate? i would only really front load in week one.

week 1 1000mg
2-12 500mg


And save the extra for your next cycle.

[Nworb]

This will be my first cycle so i really didnt want to go overboard with frontloading...
How serious the front loading schedule I proposed is that just begging for problems???

[Two4the$$]

actually - for enanthates ... 2.5x your weekly dosage should be your first weeks dosage - it'll get you rockin and rollin immediately.

[Markosterone]

dude just stick to 1000mg first week and then 500mg per week the rest weeks.

you can make your cycle longer if you dont want to save the gear.

[jamikehat]

Having extra gear leftover is not a bad thing. Do not base your cycle on what compounds you have. After you are no longer seeing results it is time to stop. This might be as early as week 8 and as late as week 12. btw this is your first cycle. You would get results from 250mgs of test a week. 750 is not necessary and will increase your chances of sides. I would frontload with 1000mgs the 1st week then keep it at 500mgs/wk until you stop seeing results.

[SMAN12b]

This will be my first cycle so i really didnt want to go overboard with frontloading...
How serious the front loading schedule I proposed is that just begging for problems???

First cycle!! You really dont' even need to front load, BUT you can and just do 1000 mgs the first week broken up in TWO shots. like 500 monday and 500 thursday evening.
Then run the rest of the cycle at 500 ONLY...no need to fluctuate your blood levels going from 750

Week 1- Test E @ 1000mgs/week
Weeks 2-12 Test E @ 500mgs/week

Week 14-? PCT

[Two4the$$]

No, I disagree ... 2.5x, ... and if someone says otherwise - ask them for the math that explains it. Otherwise ... go to roid calc, and enter 1250 for the first week ... and see that your daily values will suddenly be the peak that they will otherwise be after weeks of not. Anyway, I actually already did a whole thread about this ... so no need to do another one.

[kendod666]

No, I disagree ... 2.5x, ... and if someone says otherwise - ask them for the math that explains it. Otherwise ... go to roid calc, and enter 1250 for the first week ... and see that your daily values will suddenly be the peak that they will otherwise be after weeks of not. Anyway, I actually already did a whole thread about this ... so no need to do another one.

no doubt this is correct mate you can see i know a bout roid calc, ive posted a link earlyer.

but this is the guys first cycle, surely you can see the reasons we are reccomending only 1000mg frontload?

ie: he has no idea what test will do to him? gyno prone? high BP? etc

[Lexed]

sman's way all the way

[mickdiesel]

I haven't read every reply but u can run 400mg/week and get silly gains if this is ur first cycle. even that would be high. 750 is way too high for your first cycle. u wanna see how u react to the stuff first so I personally don't recommend front loading. I wouldn't put 1000mg of something in my body if I don't know how my body adjusts. u will become a moon faced monster in all probability. ur body is gonna go a little nuts with that much test for the first time ever

[Two4the$$]

OKay - two points I'm going to respond to:

1. gains can be made on lower doses.

This thread is about frontloading - not his dosing choices. I'd make a myriad of suggestions if it was labelled cycle suggestions/critique.


2. first cycle one should front load less because of uncertainty.

In accordance with the first answer I supplied, perhaps a lower overall dose is advised, but, if uncertainty of the users response is a concern, start with T-Prop ... establish an "optimum gains/sides" ratio with ED injections, then multiply by 3.8 and make that your enanthate choice. Logic of 3.8? Well, it will probably be shot twice per week (1/3.5 vs. 1/7) ... plus the reduced effectiveness of mg per mg differences of prop vs. enanthate ... i.e., how much of the parent hormone is represented by the number of mg in a mL after the ester is stipped off.

Again, I digress, this wasn't the topic of the thread.

[Two4the$$]

Oh yeah ... thats right - I didn't make a dosing suggestion - I answered THE question... and gave a FORMULA. :-)

2.5x weekly dosage = first week frontload quotient for enanthate.

[SMAN12b]

OKay - two points I'm going to respond to:

1. gains can be made on lower doses.

This thread is about frontloading - not his dosing choices. I'd make a myriad of suggestions if it was labelled cycle suggestions/critique.


2. first cycle one should front load less because of uncertainty.

In accordance with the first answer I supplied, perhaps a lower overall dose is advised, but, if uncertainty of the users response is a concern, start with T-Prop ... establish an "optimum gains/sides" ratio with ED injections, then multiply by 3.8 and make that your enanthate choice. Logic of 3.8? Well, it will probably be shot twice per week (1/3.5 vs. 1/7) ... plus the reduced effectiveness of mg per mg differences of prop vs. enanthate ... i.e., how much of the parent hormone is represented by the number of mg in a mL after the ester is stipped off.

Again, I digress, this wasn't the topic of the thread.

The only problem with your reasoning for #2 is that Prop, and Enanthate are different esters and one may have more sides from Enanthate like bloating etc...than one would have on Prop, so starting with Prop, isn't going to tell him how his body reacts to Enanthate!!

The normal protocol , at least on this board, is NO need to frontload on the FIRST cycle...but if he is determined to do it, I would NOT go over 1000mgs the first week .... JMHO

[Two4the$$]

And my humble opinion disagrees. :-)

I'm MUCH more interested in the physical effects and side effects of the PARENT HORMONE - not the ester. But, since Test isn't toxic, at any dose... once you've decided the amount you'll build up to ... just 2.5x it ... :-)

Regardless, we're only arguing theoretics... he'll be fine either way ... the only difference is that on a higher dose, he will, or would ... get better gains, until he reaches a gram a week ... and that probably wouldn't lose efficacy until week ...? 50? 70? And I'm serious... and that'd be from an increase of SHBG I'd assume... young and healthy ... the only dfference would be based on the ASSUMPTION that PCT recovery time is based on cycle ...? length? Certainly not dose (aside from time to clear out the ester)... But definitely by compound. Think otherwise ... find a study that supports your point.

[Jon0489]

Stay under 1200, you could react badly and of course you do not know how you react to steroids, plus it is your first cycle

[Two4the$$]

some one needs to tell me about bad reactions to test ...

[BIRDMAN79]

cool, lots of info here. i am starting my first cycle in 2 weeks.
no frontload only 400 test e. for 12 weeks. i will see.

[Geeezer]

No need to run 1000 for the first week .
Stick to the basics for your first cycle.
You will do fine at 500 a week 250 monday 250 thursday.

[Two4the$$]

are you guys saying hes going to start getting gains from week 1 ... or even in week 3 ...?

[Property of Steroid.com]

The normal protocol , at least on this board, is NO need to frontload on the FIRST cycle...but if he is determined to do it, I would NOT go over 1000mgs the first week .... JMHO

The normal protocol for prolactin/progesterone control was also B6 until someone put up a study showing it'll probably reduce your gains. The other normal protocol was Clen for 2 weeks on and 2 off, with ECA in the off weeks....the normal protocol to get rid of and prevent gyno was Nolvadex. The normal protocol was to run T3 with GH. Or the 5on/2off GH protocol...because apparently the body needs the weekend off (do you do 4on/3off if you have a 3 day weekend from work)?

See what I'm getting at? The normal protocol is just a paradigm which will shif when someone proposes a decent reason that it should. Most of the normal protocols are just....I don't even know...just arbitrary. Most people don't even know where they came from.

It reminds me of the old view of the world, that it rested on the back of an elephant, which in turn stood on a turtle's back...but when you ask what the turtle was standing on...

It's the same with most of the normal protocols, paradigms, etc...that we see on the internet. When you take a look into them a bit deeper, they're just totally arbitrary.

[Two4the$$]

As always Anthony, WELL SAID!

A basis of logic that I'm suggesting is to get gains for as long as you're inhibiting your endogenous production, and as fast as possible. at the amount equivalent to the peak you're dosing choice will eventually be.