Can peg400 cause blood in urine? help!

[Johny-too-small]

I am in my 5th week of 8 week cycle: Prop @ .75 mg/ed, NPP @ .5 mg/ed and drinking my winny @ 100 mg/ed (starting at week 3).

All homebrew and I made my winny 50 mg/ml w/ peg400.

A few day after drinking my winny dose I had "tea" colored urine and had a foul oder. I noticed that it would get darker, almost brown, in the morning and after workouts. From what I understand, this is blood in my urine? I stopped the winny late last week and upped the water to 2 gallons per day. Yesterday and today, my piss is more clear, however, it is a light yellow.

I know that the winny was the reason for this. However, am I being paranoid about it being blood? Could the peg400 cause this? I was going to see the doctor in a day or two if my urine did not return to normal but for now Im going to watch it. Thanks for your opinions.

Put this into this forum for more responses as opposed to the lab.

[Johny-too-small]

big ol bump

[TheGMan]

First of all, why in the world would you make oral winnie with PEG? PEG and PS80 (polysorbate 80) are only used when making injectable winstrol. For oral winnie, all you need is the ester and a solvent, the solvent being ethyl alcohol (everclear works best). I understand that some people "drink" injectable winnie, but then you are simply adding additional chemicals for your liver to filter out.

[Snrf]

I remember reading that brown urine isn't necessarily blood, some things metabolize into dark stuff in your piss that look like, but are not blood...could be the case here

[Johny-too-small]

First of all, why in the world would you make oral winnie with PEG? PEG and PS80 (polysorbate 80) are only used when making injectable winstrol. For oral winnie, all you need is the ester and a solvent, the solvent being ethyl alcohol (everclear works best). I understand that some people "drink" injectable winnie, but then you are simply adding additional chemicals for your liver to filter out.

What are you talking about? Winny almost never holds in only Everclear. Many if not most orals are made with PEG, bro. Its not only for injectibles. Im drinking it because injecting nearly 4mls/ed is not what I care to do.

Nice try, thanks anyway.

[Johny-too-small]

I remember reading that brown urine isn't necessarily blood, some things metabolize into dark stuff in your piss that look like, but are not blood...could be the case here

Thats what Im hoping for. My piss is looking much better since I stopped the winny, Im erroring on the side of caution. But if its not a health concern, then Id like to continue its use or save it for another run.

[TheGMan]

Thats what Im hoping for. My piss is looking much better since I stopped the winny, Im erroring on the side of caution. But if its not a health concern, then Id like to continue its use or save it for another run.

First of all, oral Winnie holds well in everclear. Are you not using an ultrasonic to get it into suspension better? That could be your problem.

[jagdpanther]

I have used peg300 in my letro @ about 10%. I use about 1 ml a day and have not noticed it effect my urine at all. However I'm not sure how much
how much peg400 you are consuming. Winny in and of itself hasnot discolored my urine so it sounds like it may be some sort of effect from the peg400. Personally I try and use as little peg as possible.

As you stated it could be metabolites - try drinking more h20 and see if changes to a lighter color.

First of all, oral Winnie holds well in everclear. Are you not using an ultrasonic to get it into suspension better? That could be your problem.

Suspensions don't hold anything, the liquid has particles that never disolve. If it disolves into a homogenous liquid then it is a solution. Solutions can hold stuff - that is why you don't need to shake them but do need to shake suspensions. I've never heard of a winnie solution with just everclear but I'm still learning.

[TheGMan]

It won't hold 100% in solution with just everclear, but the use of an ultrasonic helps considerably when keeping it in suspension. Does the use of PEG help when making liquid oral? Sure, but now you're ingesting another chemical when it is not necessary. Reheating your liquid on a hotplate and shaking the shit out of it will help in keeping it in suspension if you cannot afford an ultrasonic.

[Johny-too-small]

First of all, oral Winnie holds well in everclear. Are you not using an ultrasonic to get it into suspension better? That could be your problem.

OFF TOPIC

Im not here to talk about all the BS concerning what to make winny with. My winny holds fine and does not crash in peg400.

What I care about is: WHY THE FVK IS MY PISS BROWN?

If you dont know, then dont post.

[TheGMan]

OFF TOPIC

Im not here to talk about all the BS concerning what to make winny with. My winny holds fine and does not crash in peg400.

What I care about is: WHY THE FVK IS MY PISS BROWN?

If you dont know, then dont post.

PEG is sometimes used in sheep and cattle to help reduce "tannins" (phenolic compounds that reduce digestion), which in turn HELPS them digest. However, this is in herbivors, not carnivors like us. Case in point? Carnivors are not intended to ingest PEG, which could be leading to your brown pee. I was simply telling you how to make a better, less toxic winnie for oral use. Honestly, a simply analytic approach would tell you that before you drank your winnie, you didn't have a tea color in your urine.

[Johny-too-small]

PEG is sometimes used in sheep and cattle to help reduce "tannins" (phenolic compounds that reduce digestion), which in turn HELPS them digest. However, this is in herbivors, not carnivors like us. Case in point? Carnivors are not intended to ingest PEG, which could be leading to your brown pee. I was simply telling you how to make a better, less toxic winnie for oral use. Honestly, a simply analytic approach would tell you that before you drank your winnie, you didn't have a tea color in your urine.

Thanks. This is the kind of discussion Im looking for. I believe that I am using a analytical approach here and I know the winny w/ peg is causing the darker piss. What Im after here is to find out if this is or could be a serious issue such as blood or if its simply a weird by-product that has little ill effects. I guess what it comes down to, is that Im trying to find other members who have had issues with this and know if its harmful or not.

[TheGMan]

Thanks. This is the kind of discussion Im looking for. I believe that I am using a analytical approach here and I know the winny w/ peg is causing the darker piss. What Im after here is to find out if this is or could be a serious issue such as blood or if its simply a weird by-product that has little ill effects. I guess what it comes down to, is that Im trying to find other members who have had issues with this and know if its harmful or not.

I apologize, I came off as abrasive. There are actually a lot of products that use PEG in them, but most are topical products such as shampoos and lotions. Perhaps switching to a lower dose of PEG (say, 200) may lead to better results and less toxins in your urine. I'm certain that you've done no permanent damage, so you should be alright.

[jagdpanther]

this is the best i could do for now:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyethylene_glycol


Clinical uses
Poly (ethylene glycol) is non-toxic and is used in a variety of products. It is the basis of a number of laxatives (e.g. macrogol-containing products such as Movicol® and polyethylene glycol 3350, or MiraLax® or GlycoLax). It is the basis of many skin creams, as cetomacrogol, and sexual lubricants, frequently combined with glycerin. Whole bowel irrigation (polyethylene glycol with added electrolytes) is used for bowel preparation before surgery or colonoscopy and drug overdoses. It is sold under the brand names GoLYTELY, GlycoLax and Colyte. When attached to various protein medications, poly (ethylene glycol) allows a slowed clearance of the carried protein from the blood. This makes for a longer acting medicinal effect and reduces toxicity, and it allows longer dosing intervals. Examples include PEG-interferon alpha which is used to treat hepatitis C and PEG-filgrastim (Neulasta®) which is used to treat neutropenia. It has been shown that poly (ethylene glycol) can improve healing of spinal injuries in dogs [2]. One of the earlier findings that poly (ethylene glycol) can aid in nerve repair came from the University of Texas (Krause and Bittner) [3]. Poly (ethylene glycol) is commonly used to fuse B-cells with myeloma cells in monoclonal antibody production.


Research for New Clinical Uses
High-molecular weight PEG, e.g., PEG 8000, is a strikingly potent dietary preventive agent against Colorectal cancer in animal models [4]. The Chemoprevention Database shows it is the most effective agent to suppress chemical carcinogenesis in rats. Cancer prevention in humans has not yet been tested in clinical trials.
The injection of PEG 2000 into the bloodstream of guinea pigs after spinal cord injury leads to rapid recovery through molecular repair of nerve membranes. [5] The effect of this treatment to prevent Paraplegia in humans after an accident is not known yet.
Research is being done in the use of PEG to mask antigens on red blood cells. Various research institutes have reported that using PEG can mask antigens without damaging the functions and shape of the cell.

[Johny-too-small]

Thanks Gman and jagdpanther! Helps put my mind at ease. My piss has cleared up over that past couple of days so I think Im going to save the winny for my next run and see what happens.

Jagd, you need to be a mod or a vet or something. You know something about everything.

[cj1capp]

I remember reading that brown urine isn't necessarily blood, some things metabolize into dark stuff in your piss that look like, but are not blood...could be the case here

yeah you are right here is a quick link to help with that
http://www.school-for-champions.com/...rine_color.htm

[jagdpanther]

http://www.biosci.ohio-state.edu/~js...%20GLYCOL.html

Ingredient: POLYETHYLENE GLYCOL; (POLYETHYLENE GLYCOL 400) LD50: (ORAL, RAT) 30200 MG/KG

LD50 = Lethal dose killing 50% of the test animals

30.2g/kg is LD50 for rats according to the statement above.

How much peg400 did you add again? just joking I'm sure its nowhere near that!

[Johny-too-small]

My ratio was 95ml peg400/ 5 Grams Winny pwdr.