possible infection (PICTURES) (do not enter if you have a weak stomach)

[johndoe81]

FIRST OFF: This is by NO means a tutorial of any kind. I am a surgical technician for my father (who is a surgeon) therefore I am not a professional. The meaning of this post is to give pictures of what I did and ask for advice what to do next. Also. just for fair warning, if you cant handle blood you might want to pass on this one, just dont want to offend anyone.

SO anyway, Im in kind of a weird situation. I was on my first ever cycle. It was a simple cycle of 2 cc test e/week.I was switching off between my biceps and forearms just to sread out the pin marks. I am not sure what caused this, but while nobody is perfect, I am confident that I give 110% to make sure I keep everything sterile which makes me think my gear was bacteria infested. If I am allowed to say brands I will notify everyone....just let me know. Sp anyway, late last week something weird happened. Immediately after the shot the area started to hurt very faintly, then went away. The next day it came back and progressively got worse for the next 3-4 days. I took it upon myself to fix it and it seemed to have improved. Nonetheless I wanted to ask you guys that might have been there before. Ive included some pics to hopefully give a better idea of whats going on.

I really hope my attempt works because 1. I dont have medical insurance because my father is our family doctor. 2. Im a full time college student wit zero cash. This wouldnt be a problem, but what if it doesnt work? I cant afford to go to the hospital which means my only option would be to tell my dad so he can fix me (which is the absolute last thing I want to do). Even if I could afford the hospital, the doctors there know me by name so pops would find out either way. I know theyre not supposed to say anything but I dont think that would stop them from talking to my dad. So here is what has happened thus far.

thursday- shot of 1cc test e (first cycle)

day 1- gettiing sore

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day 2- started swelling and red (no red streaks, but all symptoms are increasing)
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day 2- getting hot, definitely noticeable firm lump where there is a "wall" being built by my body to keep the infection from spreading..I dont have a fever but I feel like I have a mild cold.
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day 3- Woke up and felt what feels like s deformed rubber ball under my skin. This is when I determined that it wasnt gong to go away on its own and I needed to stop it....now. From work, I know youre supposed to act fast with infections because they can cause damage pretty fast.

I looked through our Central America missionary gear and found whatever I thought might help. I settled on some Lidocaine (local anesthetic to dull the pain of this large spear going through my arm), some bacteriostatic solution, Rubbing alcohol to keep everything clean, some iodine wipes, some gauze, and a large syringe to draw out whatever I could come across.
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I didnt waste any time. I numbed up the area with the Lidocaine first then stuck the 18g in. What I drew out was mostly bad colored blood as you can see in this pic.
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This makes me think the infection hasnt even had enough time to do anything yet otherwise there would be more pure pus. Regardless, I moved the hypodermic needle aroundas much as I could and removed anything that would come out.
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After that I felt like there was still some stuff in there that the syringe just wasnt strong enough to pull out so I got a new hypodermic needle and just stuck it in (after cleaning the entire area with alcohol pads) hoping it would seep out. It didnt. And I did not squeeze for fear of spreading the infection (like into my bloodstream which is very bad..)
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Finally, after cleaning the area thoroughly with alcohol pads I put a sterile surgical cloth with piping hot water and epsom salt on it (to help draw out the infected matter) then I went to bed.
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I woke up this morning and the swelling has gone down considerably, the pain has subsided, mild cold feeling is gone. If not for the 18g needle mark, I wouldnt even be able to tell it was there. HOWEVER, a hot compress can temporarily work wonders so this information will be considered moot until about mid day.

So anyway, what should I do now?? Im not going to go to any extremes but I have some oral 500mg keflex (to overcome the infection if it turns out to be a methicillin resistant strain), Has anyone had a similar experience? please share, I am still shaken up quite a lot.

[shredzs]

what part of your arm is that??

[hugovsilva]

Man,

What spot are you injecting?

Seems some weird place.

[johndoe81]

keep in mind its my first cycle, but my friend told me wherever I inject will build faster...is that correct?

Anyway, im trying to build my arms.....forearms and biceps, and Im injecting on the bottom side of them so my family doesnt notice (bottom faces down for when Im sitting at the dinner table etc etc.

[Swifto]

Your injecting in biceps and forearms...?

[MrMe]

Oh man, dont inject there, i dont think you have enough muscle to absorb the oil, and no, you will not grow more where you inject.

[Swifto]

Another reason why EVERYONE should keep anti-boitics on hand too.

[Mista Massive]

this is why i keep antibiotics in my lunch box which is with me all day.

dude, don't wanna sound like a know it all but you need to educate yourself on injection sites and techniques etc.

don't listen to your mates, no matter how big they are or how much they sound like they know what they're talking about. research and you can't F*ck up.

good luck bro, and you must have testicles the size of beachballs to attempt to solve this shit without correct medical attention. good luck and keep us posted

[johndoe81]

Oh man, dont inject there, i dont think you have enough muscle to absorb the oil, and no, you will not grow more where you inject.

MrMe....thanks for the reply... yes I agree. I dont exactly Schwartzsneggar (sp?) quality arms yet but I am working on to.

Another reason why EVERYONE should keep anti-boitics on hand too..

Swifto...I've definitely got that more than covered. Youre right.

this is why i keep antibiotics in my lunch box which is with me all day.

dude, don't wanna sound like a know it all but you need to educate yourself on injection sites and techniques etc.

don't listen to your mates, no matter how big they are or how much they sound like they know what they're talking about. research and you can't F*ck up.

good luck bro, and you must have testicles the size of beachballs to attempt to solve this shit without correct medical attention. good luck and keep us posted..

Dont sweat it bro I know youre just trying to help, not trying to be a know it all....and thanks for the reply. As a surg tech that has visited every Central American country but one to give vaccinations, and assist with trauma surgery, I know the ideal injection spots on the human body. The reason I was shooting in the bicep and forearm is because my hook up said it concentrates the juice better Left off tj


by the way gents....here is the culprit....theyre all going in the trash.
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[Getinbgr]

John Doe:

Unless you want everyone to know your address and family name, I suggest deleting that last picture of prescriptions.

[hugovsilva]

Man,
You should have taped it like Greg Valentino.

[johndoe81]

John Doe:

Unless you want everyone to know your address and family name, I suggest deleting that last picture of prescriptions.

thanks for looking out for me bro...I didnt realize you could read it. Its not the members here that I worry about....you guys have always been great...It's the lurkers I'd be about. Like I said...thanks for the heads-up.

[elcue]

umm bro i understand u dont want ur family to see a little needle mark but what bout ur glutes and quad not many people see that maybe ur girl and i personally cant see the needle mark ne way...as for ur original question i dont have any advice for u but try jumping on some anti-biotics

[Serotonin]

First off, take the keflex immediately but only if you have at least a 5 day supply of some 500mg caps. I'd take one in the morning and one at night.

Second, I would have just gone to the doctor but you're well past that now! Assuming all that poking around didn't add anymore nasties to your infection your draining didn't seem to be too detrimental. It can be hard to determine if the infection is sub-Q or IM. Muscular infections are no joke and can be very damaging to the tissue ***ending on what type of infection it is. You need to go to your Doctor if ANY bit of pain or inflammation persists. If something like Staph got in there it is IMPERATIVE you have it taken care of immediately.

As others said there is no point growth from where you inject your gear... just pick something that won't hinder your everyday activity and lifting like a glute, quad, or deltoid.

[canadian meat]

Cool pics lol

[thegodfather]

Ummm....why do you have a bottle of Epinephrine?

Where is this injection site located? It looks like you're draining from near your elbow from what I can deduce from your pictures. If that is the case, damn bro besides having the infection in your muslce your are damn close to your tendons.

I'm also a bit confused. You say your dad is a surgeon, yet he is also your family physician?

Oh well anyway...Although you may have some limited medical knowledge it seems you dont know anything about AAS. Also, I highly doubt that your gear is "bacteria infested" because you are feeling some pain shortly after injection, bacteria would not cause this. If you want to avoid serious damage to the tissue and surrounding tendons in that arm i would bite the bullet and goto the hospital, NOW... I can tell just from how deep you have that pin in your arm that it is in the muscle and I'm sure theres a good chance if it wasnt infected before it definately is now. Also, from all that poking around you're doing if it was initially infected you might be setting yourself up for a sepsis, and believe me a staph infection in your bloodstream will ruin your day big time...

[Pooks]

yes no shots in the forearms.. screw that!

[bbplaya21]

hmmm prop in the forearm sounds fun

[lex57]

keep in mind its my first cycle, but my friend told me wherever I inject will build faster...is that correct?

Anyway, im trying to build my arms.....forearms and biceps, and Im injecting on the bottom side of them so my family doesnt notice (bottom faces down for when Im sitting at the dinner table etc etc.

i would go kick this guy square in the nuts and then put an elbow to his dome

[slick33158]

man that is the grossest fom of misinformation I have ever heard, no the point of injection will not grow faster, all steroid make their effects in your bloodstream, not in the mucle directly, when absorbed its distributed throughout your whole body. Never inject there, first cyclers should just go with the glutes. I'm not trying to be a dick but being a surgeons assistant you should have known not to do that bro.

[Panzerfaust]

WOW...just WOW!

[swole25]

when i had an infection a whle back, i had to take keflex 500mg's 4x's a day for 10 days and it took care of it. you shouldn't of greg valentino'd it, you should've just taken the antibiotics. my doc had me setup to go to the surgeon for a lancing it was so swollen. felt like it was going to rip open, but it was a holiday weekend and i couldn't get into the surgeon till monday and by then i could tell the keflex was taking care of it and i avoided the surgery.

[johndoe81]

Ummm....why do you have a bottle of Epinephrine?

I dont have a bottle of epinephrine...I have a bottle of lidocaine that contains a small amount of Ep.
"lidocaine HCl 2% and Epinephrine 1:100,000 injection, USP." Esentially its just a longer acting anesthetic and the Epinephrine helps prevent allergic reactions.

Where is this injection site located? It looks like you're draining from near your elbow from what I can deduce from your pictures. If that is the case, damn bro besides having the infection in your muslce your are damn close to your tendons.

Yes youre right the spot of injection is on my forearm.

I'm also a bit confused. You say your dad is a surgeon, yet he is also your family physician?

Im not exactly sure what youre asking. He's my dad, and he's a doctor. Naturally he provides services to his family... making him our family physician. If youre talking about something else please let me know because Im not sure exactly what youre confused about.

Oh well anyway...Although you may have some limited medical knowledge it seems you dont know anything about AAS.

You're right, Im just an assistant right now but I've never claimed to be a professional as far as medical knowledge. Youre also right that I dont know much about aas, but thats why I came here, because I know you guys do.

Also, I highly doubt that your gear is "bacteria infested" because you are feeling some pain shortly after injection, bacteria would not cause this.

Im not sure what caused the pain. Youre right, bacteria would not cause *immediate* pain...I never attributed it to the bacteria, I just took notice to it because it had never happened before, then quickly forgot about it. While I may not know much about aas, I know how to administer an IM substance with the least likelihood of infection, and I know how to keep everything sterile...enough that Im ***ended on to do so every day. Bacteria, like many other things, can never be prevented with a 100% certainty. But Im fairly confident in my ability to prevent it as much as humanly possible, thats why I question the gear.

NOW... I can tell just from how deep you have that pin in your arm that it is in the muscle and I'm sure theres a good chance if it wasnt infected before it definately is now.

It definitely was infected. It definitely isnt now and is getting better by the minute. redness is gone, temp of arm is back to normal, other than a couple poke holes in my arm everything is back to normal.

If you want to avoid serious damage to the tissue and surrounding tendons in that arm i would bite the bullet and goto the hospital

Good advice...good enough that I took it. Except I didnt go to the hospital. I went to our family physician He took the bottles to be sent off to the lab for testing, prescribed me keflex and wants to look at it everyday. Though it was already getting better, a long lecture is a good trade for health I suppose. Thanks for your help godfather

[johndoe81]

Thanks to everyone who replied to this thread. I was sweatin it there for awhile and you guys really helped, if for nothing other than support. it really sucks to go through that and I hope none of you ever have to.

So thank you.

[BOOST]

SP same shit happen to me, ER and all. There gear is junk, discontinue use and run Keflex as posted. Find another source

[Lexed]

IGF-1 is where you inject is where you get bigger gains

[Decoder]

You need to pull a terminator 2, slice your arm and peel your arm off your endo skeleton and show us your arent really human. Your like a machine man stabbing your self like that. I would have thought you would want a larger muscle group than forearms. I know mentioned you know injection spots well but look what happened. Maybe some gear got stuck inbetween the muscle and skin causeing that bad infectoin did you have a tingling feeling at all that first day in that area?

[thegodfather]

I know what the Epinephrine does I just didnt take notice that it was Lidocaine...I kind of had a holy shit draw dropping look when I thought it was a bottle of epinephrine, because some jackass came on the forums a few weeks ago asking if he could inject epinephrine to get pumped up for the gym...

Im confused about your dad being your PCP as well as a surgeon in the sense that, if your dad is employed by a hospital as a surgeon, and you are a student? or full time tech?..in either case wouldn't you be covered under his medical benefits? I understand what you mean about him providing services to your family as I have doctors that call me in scripts for things I need and some are administrators who dont nessecarily see patients often...

Glad that you did the smart thing and saw the doctor...The majority of people who would have started a thread like this would have done everything under the sun but went to the doctor or listened to anyone on this forum...

Let us all know how your lab tests turn out for the gear, I'd be interested to know if it was actually contaminated. Good to hear the arms gonna be ok, for future reference though heres a website for ya, www.**************.com

[CYP400]

hey mate i say the injection sites you have chosen have more to do with the infection than the gear itself, large muscle groups absorb much better.

[J*U*icEd]

Another reason why EVERYONE should keep anti-boitics on hand too.

got plenty on hand for just this reason!!

[J*U*icEd]

bro i didn't read at first that this was in the forearms.... are you f u c k i n g serious man... the things people do to themselves... ohhh mannn!

[medicman]

Glad to hear that it's doing better man. I agree with the posters above, the irritation that led to infection was most likely caused by the injection site since the max is 2cc in the delt I would think 1/2cc would be max in the forearm since it's an isolated muscle as compared to typical injection sites it was likely just to much volume for absorbtion. Also if for some crazy reason you decide to drain a wound at home again... an 18ga needle is F-ing HUGE your ballsy bro, since most injections are with a 21ga or larger needle. I know you covered it but you don't want to open an already infected area to the environment anymore than you have to. Good luck though, lets all hope that it doesn't turn out to be MRSA.... that can mean several sessions of IV antibiotics

[thegodfather]

The injeciton site has nothing to do with getting a bacterial infection. Just because the muscle is say, not able to absorb 1cc, which would really vary from person to person ***ending on their muscular development, does not mean that it caused the infection.

The infection was caused by a bacteria, either from his skin which got pushed into the muscle upon injection, or from the gear being contaminated with the bacteria. At the most injecting too much into the muscle would have caused extreme irritation but if the gear and the injection were completely sterile there would still be no infection. Perhaps it was not originally infected when he drained it, we'll never know because the only way to find out would have been to culture the fluid he drained.... Either way the infection was caused by bacteria, not irritation...

[cbc5010]

this is some messed up shit

[medicman]

Alright not to start an argument with godfather but I'm going to attempt to clear a few things up. Godfather may have misunderstood me in my earlier post but... yes irritation and inflammation CAN be the result of his symptoms without bacteria or viruses being present following IM injection. Here's the thing, local tissue necrosis of the muscle occurs with every injection (typically a VERY small amount) just because the fluid injected doesn't have the ability to carry oxygen so the muscle fiber immediately surrounding the fluid is oxygen ***rived and will die, normally this is no problem since muscle adapts to this naturally all the time i.e.: growing, shrinking, and new muscle being formed. Now in my opinion from the symptoms you described and from the pic's this is a sub-Q or skin abscess which can be bacterial or YES they can be sterile. But like godfather said we will never know if the original abscess was bacterial or not. Now actually the majority of abscesses following IM injections are sterile, what happens is... the problem develops when a caustic medication (which I would consider any anabolic steroid to be) is injected in an inappropriate location. When the medication is injected into the subcutaneous tissues rather than the muscle or in your case possibly to much injected for the muscle causing the med. to spill into the subcutaneous tissue, absorption is delayed, which allows for a greater tissue reaction to the medication. The reaction is local tissue necrosis and basically liquifying the muscle and sub-q tissue affected (pus) with a surrounding area of intense inflammationand pain. Thus, a painful nodule filled with sterile, liquefied tissue remains at the site. Not to say that the infection wasn't bacterial in nature just letting you know that this is a possibility and why you shouldn't inject in places like this. And to correct godfather's statement above "At the most injecting too much into the muscle would have caused extreme irritation but if the gear and the injection were completely sterile there would still be no infection." Just my 2 cents not meant to disrespect anyone else, hope this helps. Good luck

[notanormalgent]

Alright not to start an argument with godfather but I'm going to attempt to clear a few things up. Godfather may have misunderstood me in my earlier post but... yes irritation and inflammation CAN be the result of his symptoms without bacteria or viruses being present following IM injection. Here's the thing, local tissue necrosis of the muscle occurs with every injection (typically a VERY small amount) just because the fluid injected doesn't have the ability to carry oxygen so the muscle fiber immediately surrounding the fluid is oxygen ***rived and will die, normally this is no problem since muscle adapts to this naturally all the time i.e.: growing, shrinking, and new muscle being formed. Now in my opinion from the symptoms you described and from the pic's this is a sub-Q or skin abscess which can be bacterial or YES they can be sterile. But like godfather said we will never know if the original abscess was bacterial or not. Now actually the majority of abscesses following IM injections are sterile, what happens is... the problem develops when a caustic medication (which I would consider any anabolic steroid to be) is injected in an inappropriate location. When the medication is injected into the subcutaneous tissues rather than the muscle or in your case possibly to much injected for the muscle causing the med. to spill into the subcutaneous tissue, absorption is delayed, which allows for a greater tissue reaction to the medication. The reaction is local tissue necrosis and basically liquifying the muscle and sub-q tissue affected (pus) with a surrounding area of intense inflammationand pain. Thus, a painful nodule filled with sterile, liquefied tissue remains at the site. Not to say that the infection wasn't bacterial in nature just letting you know that this is a possibility and why you shouldn't inject in places like this. And to correct godfather's statement above "At the most injecting too much into the muscle would have caused extreme irritation but if the gear and the injection were completely sterile there would still be no infection." Just my 2 cents not meant to disrespect anyone else, hope this helps. Good luck

Nice response! That's how I felt. In retard terms....Oil got above the muscle tissue and into the subq and formed an infection because it couldn't be absorbed by the body fast enough.

[thegodfather]

Alright not to start an argument with godfather but I'm going to attempt to clear a few things up. Godfather may have misunderstood me in my earlier post but... yes irritation and inflammation CAN be the result of his symptoms without bacteria or viruses being present following IM injection. Here's the thing, local tissue necrosis of the muscle occurs with every injection (typically a VERY small amount) just because the fluid injected doesn't have the ability to carry oxygen so the muscle fiber immediately surrounding the fluid is oxygen ***rived and will die, normally this is no problem since muscle adapts to this naturally all the time i.e.: growing, shrinking, and new muscle being formed. Now in my opinion from the symptoms you described and from the pic's this is a sub-Q or skin abscess which can be bacterial or YES they can be sterile. But like godfather said we will never know if the original abscess was bacterial or not. Now actually the majority of abscesses following IM injections are sterile, what happens is... the problem develops when a caustic medication (which I would consider any anabolic steroid to be) is injected in an inappropriate location. When the medication is injected into the subcutaneous tissues rather than the muscle or in your case possibly to much injected for the muscle causing the med. to spill into the subcutaneous tissue, absorption is delayed, which allows for a greater tissue reaction to the medication. The reaction is local tissue necrosis and basically liquifying the muscle and sub-q tissue affected (pus) with a surrounding area of intense inflammationand pain. Thus, a painful nodule filled with sterile, liquefied tissue remains at the site. Not to say that the infection wasn't bacterial in nature just letting you know that this is a possibility and why you shouldn't inject in places like this. And to correct godfather's statement above "At the most injecting too much into the muscle would have caused extreme irritation but if the gear and the injection were completely sterile there would still be no infection." Just my 2 cents not meant to disrespect anyone else, hope this helps. Good luck

Yea I took your original post to mean that the irritation had somehow caused 'spontaneous generation' of bacterial cells, and wanted to be clear that irritation itself does not cause the bacteria to be present... This thread while originally seemed like just a mess has actually turned out to be filled with some very educational material...Just further exemplifies that steroids are not a game...

[johndoe81]

You need to pull a terminator 2, slice your arm and peel your arm off your endo skeleton and show us your arent really human. Your like a machine man stabbing your self like that.

lol...I'd love to give you that amusement but in fact, I am human. I found out that when youre in the position I was, you're more willing to do something out of the ordinary, and thats a fact. Honestly, it really didnt even hurt. There was already so much pain from that localized area that I didnt really even feel much extra pain from the needle...if you know what I mean. While Im on this topic it wouldnt hurt to note that the local anesthetic that I used (lidocaine) didnt do a damn thing. I later found out that infectious matter is acidic therefore beating down any anesthetic thrown at it. Can you imagine what it feels like for the bros that have to go to the hospital to get their abscess lanced (cut out with a scalpal) knowing that the area wont be effectively numbed? um...no thanks I'll stick to my 18g needle.

Im confused about your dad being your PCP as well as a surgeon in the sense that, if your dad is employed by a hospital as a surgeon, and you are a student? or full time tech?..in either case wouldn't you be covered under his medical benefits? I understand what you mean about him providing services to your family as I have doctors that call me in scripts for things I need and some are administrators who dont nessecarily see patients often...

Oh sorry man I didnt realize what you were asking...but to answer your question, I am a tech...I am also a student. His is a private practice, with a private operating room. To be honest I dont know what the stipulations of his insurance are because I've never been concerned with it, but I know Im insured to drive company vehicles and other stuff like that. The ramifications of mistake are high if I werent insured, and he's always "by the book" so I've always assumed everything is kosher. no comment about the guy that wanted to inject epinephrine :S crazy

hey mate i say the injection sites you have chosen have more to do with the infection than the gear itself, large muscle groups absorb much better.

I'll know in a week and a half, and I'll be sure to let everyone here know. but I've taken notice to what you, MEDICMAN, and the others are saying and I wont be doing that again. :P




ANyway, the infection is history, I still have a lump under the skin thats getting smaller every day. I am told that is normal as the "barricade" which was built under my skin is deterriorating. I dont feel any pain or anything whatsoever. What a nice ending. Godfather is right....I think we've all learned something. thanks guys

[RA]

got plenty on hand for just this reason!!

The problem is that if you dont see the doc you wont know which ones the infection is resistant to.

[tj979]

That is ****ing nuts dude, delts glutes and quads!