Daddy testosterone

[sci muscle]

Testosterone is the granddaddy of all AAS and most experts feel it should be the base of any stack/cycle. My question is simple. Why not just do test-only cycles, why bother with other AAS since test works so well and provides alot of bang for the buck?
I am on my first cycle (test of course) and my second cycle will probably just be repeat but with higher doses. Anything wrong with this idea? I know test aromatizes heavily, but arimidex used properly controls that. I just can't see why to bother with other AAS, since the sides can be harsher.
I am NOOB, so go easy on me and my question!

[Johny-too-small]

Good question, I think that many users find that test alone does not give them the gains they are after (deca, tren = mass, winny = cut, hardness). Many ppl find that test is actually a poor gainer for them and other "designer" anabolics get the job done much better.

[Random]

Johnny said it perfectly...

[sci muscle]

thanks, johny!

[Georgie]

Testosterone is the granddaddy of all AAS and most experts feel it should be the base of any stack/cycle. My question is simple. Why not just do test-only cycles, why bother with other AAS since test works so well and provides alot of bang for the buck?
I am on my first cycle (test of course) and my second cycle will probably just be repeat but with higher doses. Anything wrong with this idea? I know test aromatizes heavily, but arimidex used properly controls that. I just can't see why to bother with other AAS, since the sides can be harsher.
I am NOOB, so go easy on me and my question!

I'm huge believer in test only cycles. I love running low dose test for long periods of time. I'm more of a slow and steady wins the race, kind of guy. I don't try to put on 15 pounds in a cycle, so it works good for me.

[GhostShot]

Good question, I think that many users find that test alone does not give them the gains they are after (deca, tren = mass, winny = cut, hardness). Many ppl find that test is actually a poor gainer for them and other "designer" anabolics get the job done much better.

Yep, I find Test is weak. I stick to trt dosages of test and rely on other stuff to make me grow

[Schmidty]

Test 100-100 anabolic-androgenic
Tren 500-500 anabolic-androgenic
Thats why^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
I thought the EXACT same thing when I got here and then I started really looking into things and noticed test IS NOT BEST even though my subtitle says that. LOL.

[magic32]

Although your premise is sound, the actual reasoning is a bit rigid. Look at aas thusly:

Let's say your family practitoner is the most recognized and accomplished in the region. Regardless of his overall knowledge base and abilities, there are times (***ending on you condition) when he'll refer you to a specialist who can better provide for your more specific needs.

Test is that doctor, and is great for a variety of reasons. Thus, it would always behoove you to visit it first, if not as a base then at least as an underlying libido supporter. The specialists are the numerous other compounds which are also quite good, each with a particular emphasis that can bring new perspective to your current developmental goals.

M.

[skank]

I'm huge believer in test only cycles.

I love running low dose test for long periods of time.

I'm more of a slow and steady wins the race, kind of guy. I don't try to put on 15 pounds in a cycle, so it works good for me.

How much test and for how long do you take it Georgie? You sure get the results off this.

[Vegas67]

Test cycles have fewer sides for me....more predictable...less counterfited...less expensive. Keeps the girlfriends happy also

[Lejes]

Great analogy Magic32!

Sci Muscle, I'm a bit in the same boat as you. Finished my first cycle successfully (just test) last January and soon am going to start my next cycle in three weeks, which is just test by itself again. Just as a recommendation, have you thought about maybe a more sophisticated dosing protocol instead of simply upping the dose?

That's what I'm going to do. I'm going to try to get more out of the same father compound, same dose. Instead of enth x2 weekly with no frontloading; I'm going to frontload and inject ed with enth, then switch to prop to come off quicker for a faster recovery. More stable blood levels, even easier PCT, etc. Just an idea maybe you should consider before simply upping the dose next cycle. I'm under the impression upping the dose is a last resort. If you can make gains off a moderate dose do it until you can't anymore.

[Georgie]

How much test and for how long do you take it Georgie? You sure get the results off this.

250mg/wk for 9 months, sometimes bumping it to 300mg-400mg everyonce in awhile for a few weeks. I use HCG throughout. Get blood work done, every few months and then take about 3 months off.... training just as hard.

[magic32]

Great analogy Magic32!

Sci Muscle, I'm a bit in the same boat as you. Finished my first cycle successfully (just test) last January and soon am going to start my next cycle in three weeks, which is just test by itself again. Just as a recommendation, have you thought about maybe a more sophisticated dosing protocol instead of simply upping the dose?

That's what I'm going to do. I'm going to try to get more out of the same father compound, same dose. Instead of enth x2 weekly with no frontloading; I'm going to frontload and inject ed with enth, then switch to prop to come off quicker for a faster recovery. More stable blood levels, even easier PCT, etc. Just an idea maybe you should consider before simply upping the dose next cycle. I'm under the impression upping the dose is a last resort. If you can make gains off a moderate dose do it until you can't anymore.

Why Enth ED?

M.

[powerliftmike]

as an analogy, its kinda like asking why drink anything besides water, since thats the base of every drink. each AAS was designed for a purpose to have certain desirable traits, like anadrol-50 increasing RBCs. Masteron for low androgenic solution to treat breast cancer patients.

Test is best, just like water is. Dont sell yourself out in the anabolic:androgenic numbers tho. In my experience tren works much better as a cutter than a mass agent. This is the whole idea of stacking: to tailor your cycle to your goals.

[magic32]

Well put, as ususal.

M.

[Lejes]

Why Enth ED?

M.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=285264

This is a good pro-frontloading thread. Check out post #23 in the thread for a reason for ed injections with test e. In short, more stable blood levels = better results (supposedly) . Hey, can't knock it until it's tried, I'm gonna give it a shot here in a bit;

FREQUENT PINNING FTW?!

[magic32]

I understand that, but if you're not going to partake of Enth's longer release property, which is still quite significant when frontloading (around 400 until next inj), you might as well go with Prop. Unless of course you have other issues with it.

M.

[Lejes]

I understand that, but if you're not going to partake of Enth's longer release property, which is still quite significant when frontloading (around 400 until next inj), you might as well go with Prop. Unless of course you have other issues with it.

M.

Enth is much cheaper, that's the reason. You could do most of your cycle with it and save money, then switch to propionate at the end for the faster clearance. That's the major advantage I see to prop, it clears much faster so PCT time off is true, being actually time off and not just time when the ester might still be clearing.

[Johny-too-small]

Enth is much cheaper, that's the reason. You could do most of your cycle with it and save money, then switch to propionate at the end for the faster clearance. That's the major advantage I see to prop, it clears much faster so PCT time off is true, being actually time off and not just time when the ester might still be clearing.

Not if you homebrew, which of course, is the best way to go.