Shut down

[Njectable]

So i'm just finishing up my cycle, the original plan was

Test Enanthate - 500mg/EW for 12 weeks
Test Prop - 100mg/ED for 14 weeks
Winstrol - 50mg/ED starting week 9-14
and start pct 3 days after my last prop injection

well anyways, this sunday will be my last prop injection. I started the winstrol at week 9, was on for roughly 2 weeks and then i was forced off, because it shut me down extremely hard, which i was not expecting considering i was cycling it with the test. This is my first time running winstrol and likely the last. I ran Var before actually on its own and never had a problem with my sex drive, but now i get on the winstrol and even have test mixed into the cycle and still have a zero sex drive. Just wondering if this is unusual, i've been off the winny now for about 2 weeks or so now, and it still seems to be lingering in my system affecting my libido. Its getting quite frustrating come the weekend and you bring a girl home and your shit doesn't wanna work lol.

[taiboxa]

you have got to be joking...
700mg TestProp/wk 14wks
500mg TestE/wk 12wks?
?! for ur cycle?

did u come up w/ this work of genius your self?

[Njectable]

its not my first cycle for starters... i ran 500mg of test E with 75mg/ED of prop last cycle with good results and no sides. Thanks for chirping me though, i was really unaware this type of cycle was out of the ordinary.

[taiboxa]

its not my first cycle for starters... i ran 500mg of test E with 75mg/ED of prop last cycle with good results and no sides. Thanks for chirping me though, i was really unaware this type of cycle was out of the ordinary.

u are aware that test is test? and test isnt exactly most ideal for anabolism?
your cycling methods make no sense to me in any way you spin it..
just trying to figure out why your mixing esters..and running test at such a high dose..

[BG]

running test at such a high dose..

and hes wondering why he shut down...then blames it on the winny.

[taiboxa]

and hes wondering why he shut down...then blames it on the winny.

yeah kuz win only causes a LOW % of suppression while TEST complete shuts you down..
oh and DHT's help increase free test to help in recovery...
this whole thread is confusing me more and more.

[Njectable]

well i guess my only logical argument for that could be sust as an example, if esters shouldn't be mixed then why is sustanon composed of 4 different esters designed to be released in the body at different times. I'll admit my last cycle i didn't run the prop throughout, i ran it for 6 months to jump start my cycle until the Enanthate kicked in, then i cycled off the prop and cycled back onto it for the last 4 weeks to finish up the cycle. Like i said though because of the results and zero sides from last cycle i decided to run the prop throughout this cycle, so the only changes i really feel could be causing this would be the winstrol, because last cycle i was a sexual machine with all the test, and this cycle too, up until the winny was cycled in.

[taiboxa]

well i guess my only logical argument for that could be sust as an example, if esters shouldn't be mixed then why is sustanon composed of 4 different esters designed to be released in the body at different times. I'll admit my last cycle i didn't run the prop throughout, i ran it for 6 months to jump start my cycle until the Enanthate kicked in, then i cycled off the prop and cycled back onto it for the last 4 weeks to finish up the cycle. Like i said though because of the results and zero sides from last cycle i decided to run the prop throughout this cycle, so the only changes i really feel could be causing this would be the winstrol, because last cycle i was a sexual machine with all the test, and this cycle too, up until the winny was cycled in.

sust is made to be shot like once a month for VERY old people thats why..
its not so much the mixing ..as just the high test dosage. a better cycle would have lower test and a mix of nor/dht groups.

[BG]

well i guess my only logical argument for that could be sust as an example, if esters shouldn't be mixed then why is sustanon composed of 4 different esters designed to be released in the body at different times. I'll admit my last cycle i didn't run the prop throughout, i ran it for 6 months to jump start my cycle until the Enanthate kicked in, then i cycled off the prop and cycled back onto it for the last 4 weeks to finish up the cycle. Like i said though because of the results and zero sides from last cycle i decided to run the prop throughout this cycle, so the only changes i really feel could be causing this would be the winstrol, because last cycle i was a sexual machine with all the test, and this cycle too, up until the winny was cycled in.

It was designed for hrt ...... to kick in emmediatly but also last for weeks so you wouldnt need frequent shots.

[BG]

sust is made to be shot like once a month for VERY old people thats why..
its not so much the mixing ..as just the high test dosage. a better cycle would have lower test and a mix of nor/dht groups.

Tai you are so right, I took you advice and it works great, I will never run test higher the 300 mgs again, by running proviron and adding dhts Ive gotten better gains then I did with test at 1.5 and deca at 800. Check my Igf thread, I asked you about the pgcl. Oh ya you were also right on about the slin poppers, i used to eat carbs before training the have abunch of sugar in my tea on the way to the gym, I stopped the teas and bf decreased, the sugar was acting just like slin.

[Njectable]

alright guys, i understand your theory here, i didn't think i would be perceived as being an idiot in this thread, but apparently its looking like my cycle is far from logical. Believe it or not i have done my research, and i actually posted a thread before i started this cycle to get people to critique it, and yes some people did state its alot of test, but didnt claim it was an outrageous ridiculous cycle thats never been done before. The only reason i was blaming the winstrol on me being shut down if because its the only compound i added that differs this cycle from last cycle, with respect to a little extra test as well.

[taiboxa]

Tai you are so right, I took you advice and it works great, I will never run test higher the 300 mgs again, by running proviron and adding dhts Ive gotten better gains then I did with test at 1.5 and deca at 800. Check my Igf thread, I asked you about the pgcl. Oh ya you were also right on about the slin poppers, i used to eat carbs before training the have abunch of sugar in my tea on the way to the gym, I stopped the teas and bf decreased, the sugar was acting just like slin.

lol thanks i appreciate the "props".
i saw ur thread but im still too new to pgcl to give advice on it LOL jagdpanther and I are talkin every night trying to figure this krap out.. RIGHT NOW we are both having insane hypoglycemic episodes that are RANDOM/SPARATIC and sucky! lol
when i know more THEN i will start giving advice but im not going to be the reason u go into a coma!... i'd almost feel bad!

[Njectable]

see here's where i posted my previous cycle which is really the same concept

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=248346

as you can see theirs some pretty reliable members that said it looked ok, and that was even at 750mg of test E, and i never ended up running the Winny that cycle because i tried to homebrew winstrol ***ot and couldn't get it to hold where this cycle i just made an oral version

[Njectable]

thats why i'm so blown away you guys totally bash this cycle when other respectable members said it looked good before i started it.

[taiboxa]

alright guys, i understand your theory here, i didn't think i would be perceived as being an idiot in this thread, but apparently its looking like my cycle is far from logical. Believe it or not i have done my research, and i actually posted a thread before i started this cycle to get people to critique it, and yes some people did state its alot of test, but didnt claim it was an outrageous ridiculous cycle thats never been done before. The only reason i was blaming the winstrol on me being shut down if because its the only compound i added that differs this cycle from last cycle, with respect to a little extra test as well.

yeah.. oddly enough win shoulda helped w/ recovery.. so beats me.
from experience .. pct is kinda like russian'roulette.. some tiems it goes great.. some times its like WTF!

i have done 9month cyce.. recovered in 3 weeks just fine..
i have done short heavy cycles and recovery took almost 2x as long.. no real rhyme or reason..

my pct always same.. good heavy diet of proper O m e g a fatty acids/high cholesterol w/ proper Serm/AI combo: nolva/arimidex or nolva/aromasin

hcg never did krap for me cept make my balls HUGE and my performance in bed .. quicker (went from lasting 1min 20seconds to bout ~39 seconds ><).

[BG]

Almost everyone said it was to much test, the idea isnt bad, dosages are shitty, lower the the test and add another compound to create more synergy. Your just going to shut yourself down hard and make recovery harder also making it harder to keep gains. Your diet, training and rest are the most important thing when on cycle, the as just help, if you dont feed your muscles after breaking them down they wont rebuid, grow or get stronger. While were talking about this, lets see your diet and supps.

[Njectable]

i'm not gonna dig into my diet in this thread, i already realize diet is the most important thing, and also, for me anyways, the hardest to obide.

[taiboxa]

im not going to lie.. i love making a trenA/E blend i call it.. Trestanon!
and like bigguns said.. aas isnt the primary factor..
basically aas is just like adding more workers to the house building crew..
doesnt make a diff how many workers u have if u dont have the right bricks or enough bricks to lay... then they just stand round idlelly by.. throwing rocks at other blood vessels and playing peekaboo w/ ur kidneys..

[goose]

GOd I find tai funny...My hero....Trestanon!

[taiboxa]

GOd I find tai funny...My hero....Trestanon!

hey does ur gf have a hot identical sister i can buy from ya? ><

[goose]

The word is,I heard you hooked up with a new girl.To many piecings for you she would suck you dry,even her clit done,not for you.

[taiboxa]

The word is,I heard you hooked up with a new girl.To many piecings for you she would suck you dry,even her clit done,not for you.

i got dumped.. apparently she didnt like my tattoos or piericings ><

[Musicman]

ive ran as much as 1200mg/wk of test but 1800 is pretty insane

[BG]

ive ran as much as 1200mg/wk of test but 1800 is pretty insane

Lets see some pics, you must be huge.